Shadow of Brutal ’79 War Darkens Vietnam’s View of China Relations

[xunzi]

Friend,

I pray that you don't take your discourse with Vietnamese posters here too personally. There are always two sides of the story.

That said, I do hope relations between your homeland and Viet Nam remain a working one, with possibility of restitution of trust.

You live far away from them so you don't understand these Vietnamese. They are like rat. They are not loyal to anyone. They will side with anyone that give them money and benefit. As you can see, they say "Russian-Vietnamese are brother" when they see a Russian. They say "American-Vietnamese are brother" when they see American. Likewise, they see you Japanese, they would say "Japanese-Vietnamese are brother". Be careful if you help them too much. They will bite you eventually.

 

[xesy]

You live far away from them so you don't understand these Vietnamese. They are like rat. They are not loyal to anyone. They will side with anyone that give them money and benefit. As you can see, they say "Russian-Vietnamese are brother" when they see a Russian. They say "American-Vietnamese are brother" when they see American. Likewise, they see you Japanese, they would say "Japanese-Vietnamese are brother". Be careful if you help them too much. They will bite you eventually.

I really lose it when I see someone stereo type people. Vietnam and China are on different sides of the battlefield so you are free to talk bad about Vietnam. But don't talk bad about the people. Fight the enemies, but respect them even in death.

Vietnam is an independent country, it makes friends and enemies with who it sees fit. Vietnam doesn't need China to decide anything for it. Supporting VN in the war did not make China or Soviet VN master, so don't talk about loyalty or gratefulness.

 

[Aepsilons]

I really lose it when I see someone stereo type people. Vietnam and China are on different sides of the battlefield so you are free to talk bad about Vietnam. But don't talk bad about the people. Fight the enemies, but respect them even in death.

Vietnam is an independent country, it makes friends and enemies with who it sees fit. Vietnam doesn't need China to decide anything for it. Supporting VN in the war did not make China or Soviet VN master, so don't talk about loyalty or gratefulness.

Well said.

Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.
-Lord Palmertson

 

[NiceGuy]

You live far away from them so you don't understand these Vietnamese. They are like rat. They are not loyal to anyone. They will side with anyone that give them money and benefit. As you can see, they say "Russian-Vietnamese are brother" when they see a Russian. They say "American-Vietnamese are brother" when they see American. Likewise, they see you Japanese, they would say "Japanese-Vietnamese are brother". Be careful if you help them too much. They will bite you eventually.

Yeah, who helped China to get out of the slum in 1978 ??

When what did Chinese do to return the favor to their savior ??

 

[Aepsilons]

Yeah, who helped China to get out of the slum in 1978 ??

When what did Chinese do to return the favor to their savior ??

It was regrettable that the riots in Beijing towards Japanese owned businesses from 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 and 2012. But in the spirit of restitution, Japan and Japanese businesses absorbed the costs without asking / demanding for Chinese repayment of damage.

 

[xesy]

It was regrettable that the riots in Beijing towards Japanese owned businesses from 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 and 2012. But in the spirit of restitution, Japan and Japanese businesses absorbed the costs without asking / demanding for Chinese repayment of damage.

I have to agree on that. I don't like the way some VN and Chinese mems here just poke at the past casually. I prefer the gentleman code. We are civilized people and should act or fight the civilized ways.

 

[Jlaw]

Yeah, who helped China to get out of the slum in 1978 ??

When what did Chinese do to return the favor to their savior ??

Having posted that, you know that Vietnam economy is failing?

Vietnam reports 162,000 unemployed university graduates


If that's not bad enough, even Japanese nor Indians can help you guys because you guys are dumb

No end in sight for Vietnam’s human resource crisis

Than with high unemployment and no jobs, what do young people do in your country? Have more babies!

Teen Pregnancy on Rise

Now it's getting so bad that your illegals are flooding my country. Dirty Viets go home.

Illegal immigration from Vietnam surges in S. China

 

[Aepsilons]

I have to agree on that. I don't like the way some VN and Chinese mems here just poke at the past casually. I prefer the gentleman code. We are civilized people and should act or fight the civilized ways.

Yes. I agree with you on the application of a gentleman's code. Now I can understand that the exchange (heated as it may be) between Chinese and Vietnamese posters in these various threads reflect a milito-historical animosity -- but it should be reiterated that all members not take things too personally. Given, sometimes in the process of dialogue and exchange, one can express nationalist tone, at the end of the day we are all human beings with given sensitivities and feelings.

We have to have , at least try, show some respect to our fellow debaters and our own selves.

This is why I stress the importance of not generalizing entire group(s) of people , nationalities, due to the political machinations.Let us all exercise restraint and civility, even when the opposing side is ... being the antithesis.


Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

 

[Genesis]

You are contradicting yourself. Since both Soviet and China helped VN, you can't say VN betrayed China for Soviet. It was of best interest for China to make VN a 2nd Korea, splitted and constantly at war. VN leaders disagreed and lean towards Soviet for they wanted an united VN.

China was the first country to forsake Communist brotherhood and Internationalism by shaking hand with the US in the height of the Cold War, so yeah, you are right about that.

It was the sane thing to do. Today's China is strong because of that move. Vietnam remained "communist," a lot of good that did.

IT would be suicide for us to remain communist, and looking at today can you say we are not better for it.

Deng actually cared about the welfare of the country.

Regardless of who won 1979, the result today would be very different. I'm only posting cause you seem somewhat reasonable.

 

[NiceGuy]

Well said.

Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.
-Lord Palmertson

Yep, thats true, but I think when a country is our long time friend, then we should never betray him.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yep, thats true, but I think when a country is our long time friend, then we should never betray him.

Now that is sound judgment.

 

[xesy]

Having posted that, you know that Vietnam economy is failing?

Vietnam reports 162,000 unemployed university graduates


If that's not bad enough, even Japanese nor Indians can help you guys because you guys are dumb

No end in sight for Vietnam’s human resource crisis

Than with high unemployment and no jobs, what do young people do in your country? Have more babies!

Teen Pregnancy on Rise

Now it's getting so bad that your illegals are flooding my country. Dirty Viets go home.

Illegal immigration from Vietnam surges in S. China

Economy has ups and downs, can't say it is collapsing when the world economical crisis just hitted everyone hard. Unemployment is an universal issues, every country has to deal with it. Teen pregnancy? Maybe, but teen moms? Not gonna happen easily, you should know how China deals with it, VN is hardly different. Immigration, excuse me I am living near the VN-China border, so I know there are illegal immigration from both sides, but not surges like you said. Many VN just cross the border to work for Chinese farms because they pay better.

 

[NiceGuy]

It was the sane thing to do. Today's China is strong because of that move. Vietnam remained "communist," a lot of good that did.

IT would be suicide for us to remain communist, and looking at today can you say we are not better for it.

Deng actually cared about the welfare of the country.

Regardless of who won 1979, the result today would be very different. I'm only posting cause you seem somewhat reasonable.

The result of 1979 war is juts like the result of the oil rig conflict now. China used a huge forces to intrude VN's territory. In response, VN use small but brave forces to counter China.

After some conflicts, China find a good excuse to withdraw their forces, both declare win. But I think VNese feel happier bcz we only use small forces but still push huge China forces out of the conflict zone

 

[Aepsilons]

You live far away from them so you don't understand these Vietnamese. They are like rat. They are not loyal to anyone. They will side with anyone that give them money and benefit. As you can see, they say "Russian-Vietnamese are brother" when they see a Russian. They say "American-Vietnamese are brother" when they see American. Likewise, they see you Japanese, they would say "Japanese-Vietnamese are brother". Be careful if you help them too much. They will bite you eventually.

I can empathize with your position, given the dynamic relationship the People's Republic of China has had with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Japan has not experienced any recent negativity with Vietnam for us to render such mistrust. On the contrary, we have working relationship with them , with the possibility of becoming strategic.

The line of who betrays who is different to tell, and it's based on the point of view. And each sides have their own reasons to act. Hard to tell VN or China who betrayed who, as each country acted for the best of its.

Thanks for that input. Would you say that despite the political differences between Viet Nam and China, both countries have a working rapport? I mean...do you see any possibility of decreasing the hostility between the two countries?

 

[xesy]

Now that is sound judgment.

The line of who betrays who is different to tell, and it's based on the point of view. And each sides have their own reasons to act. Hard to tell VN or China who betrayed who, as each country acted for the best of its.