Scorpene subs to join fleet without torpedoes : Navy regrets MoD Delays

[MilSpec]

Amazing that whole new three kilo class sub were destroyed due to accidents. One on purpose due to share incompetence.!!!!

New?

 

[Koovie]

i said three got destroyed due to accidents not incompetence.
you should improve your language skills before calling someone else incompetent. i know its hard to swallow but just suck it up.

Hey kid, go back and read your comment again, apart from the embarrassing spelling mistakes like "share" instead of "sheer", your sentence does not even make sense, you wrote "Amazing that whole new three kilo class sub were destroyed due to accidents. One on purpose due to share incompetence.!!!!"

1.) The last sentence clearly contradicts with your statement that they got destroyed due to accidents. And it does not even make sense... How can you successfully destroy something on purpose and call it sheer (and not share) incompetence ???

2.) Only one sub is written off, check the news. And the preliminary report on the Sindhurakshak does not specify on the cause.

 

[ziaulislam]

Scuttled, check it on Wikipedia
One sank beyound repair.
The other we heard had fire, is in repairs.
Note. The source is the above article to which I am commenting

 

[Indus Falcon]

Of 14 submarines in the fleet, three Russian Kilo-class vessels are unavailable, (current strength is at 11):

1) INS Sindhurakshak was destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion in Mumbai last August;

2) INS Sindhukirti, was scuttled by Hindustan Shipyard Ltd, Visakhapatnam (HSL), which dismantled the submarine for refit in 2006 but cannot put it back together again.

3)) INS Sindhuratna will take a year to repair after a fire in February.

Scorpene subs to join fleet without torpedoes | Business Standard

 

[Agent_47]

Of 14 submarines in the fleet, three Russian Kilo-class vessels are unavailable, (current strength is at 11):

1) INS Sindhurakshak was destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion in Mumbai last August;

2) INS Sindhukirti, was scuttled by Hindustan Shipyard Ltd, Visakhapatnam (HSL), which dismantled the submarine for refit in 2006 but cannot put it back together again.

3)) INS Sindhuratna will take a year to repair after a fire in February.

Scorpene subs to join fleet without torpedoes | Business Standard

India brought 10 kilos - Sindhughosh-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 lost + 1 written off ,so 8 kilos active.(1 in repair)
4 U209 subs brought , all active.
1 Akula class SSN active + 1 Arihant-class on trials.

13 submarines active (including one in repair)

 

[Indus Falcon]

India brought 10 kilos - Sindhughosh-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 lost + 1 written off ,so 8 kilos active.(1 in repair)
4 U209 subs brought , all active.
1 Akula class SSN active + 1 Arihant-class on trials.

13 submarines active (including one in repair)

How can a sub in repair be "active"? Are you active while you are sleeping? Whats wrong with you man?

 

[ziaulislam]

New?

well its not new to be honest what i meant was that it was new among the Indian fleet.
just like the agosta 90 are new among the PN fleet.
the older ones are U209 in the indian fleet.

 

[Indo-guy]

Indian Navy hopeful BJP will move on delayed procurements - IHS Jane's 360

The Indian Navy (IN) is expectant that the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government, which assumes office on 26 May, will approve the purchase of urgently needed equipment such as heavyweight torpedoes for its under-construction Scorpene submarines and advanced towed array sonars (ATAS) for its warships.
"The navy anticipates that prime minister-designate, Narendra Modi's, new administration will be more receptive to the many gaps in its equipment profile," a three-star IN officer told IHS Jane's .
Naval headquarters, he added, is readying its list of long-delayed procurements to present to the new defence minister.
Following 2010 trials the IN opted to acquire 98 Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS) Black Shark heavyweight torpedoes over Atlas Elektroniks' Sea Hake for its six Scorpene submarines.
The first Scorpene boat, scheduled for commissioning in 2016, will be armed only with MBDA Exocet SM-39 anti-ship missiles following delays in signing the USD300 million deal amid complaints of wrongdoing in the selection process.
IN officials said subsequent Scorpenes, which will be commissioned at 12-14-month intervals by Mazagon Dockyard Limited in Mumbai, would also operate without heavyweight torpedoes unless the BJP government agreed to their immediate procurement.
"The MoD's [Ministry of Defence's] administrative delay in acquiring heavyweight torpedoes should never have been allowed to happen," former IN Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta told IHS Jane's . "Far too much time is taken by the MoD in booking equipment and placing orders," he added.
In January the MoD reversed the approval by its Defence Acquisition Council to acquire Black Shark torpedoes from WASS, which is a subsidiary of Finmeccanica. This followed the 1 January termination of the EUR750 million (USD764 million) purchase of 12 AW101 helicopters from AgustaWestland, another Finmeccanica company, over corruption charges. The MoD remains undecided on whether to blacklist AgustaWestland or Finmeccanica or both over the 2010 AW101 deal.
IN officers said that proscribing Finmeccanica would "seriously jeopardise" the Black Shark deal and force a fresh tender. This in turn would delay arming the Scorpenes by several years.
Meanwhile, the purchase of six ATAS systems from Atlas Elektronik for EUR40-50 million for three Delhi-class destroyers and three Talwar-class frigates has been pending since trials in 2010. At the time, the IN had selected Atlas' Active Towed Away Sonar (ACTAS) low-frequency sonar over rival models offered by Thales and L3 Communications.
The deal included Atlas transferring technology to the public sector Bharat Electronics Limited in Bangalore to build at least 10 additional ATAS systems to equip the IN's frontline warships. However, like the Black Shark deal, this programme was hampered by repeated complaints of wrongdoing in the selection process.
An MoD-appointed independent committee rejected the complaints earlier in 2014, but the ministry has since ignored repeated IN requests to sign the ATAS deal.
India's surface combatants are presently making do with locally designed towed passive and hull-mounted sonars that are unable to operate effectively in the warm and shallow waters of the Arabian Sea.

 

[Gessler]

How can a sub in repair be "active"? Are you active while you are sleeping? Whats wrong with you man?

Ships/subs are not removed from the term "active" just because they're in repairs. The boat remains officially
"active" until the point it is decommissioned or written-off.

All ships/subs enter periodic repair procedures once in a while, but the active number does not keep bobbing up & down periodically in relativity to that.