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Scientists say Indian farmers draining Pakistan’s waters

First point:

There are no agreements related to water drilling between India and Pakistan.
And how many times has Pakistan addressed this point? More than twice from my readings for the articles I posted....What has India done? Nothing? Then India dares wonder why there is no peace treaty? Well, you lot dont allow it from your ignorant actions!
Second point: As per the links you have mentioned in the your posts, we are also facing water scarcity in India, reason for us to drill deeper.
Why are you facing this problem? Adrdress it and solve it...there is such thing as going green as Mr. @Roybot addressed why is it still not helping?
Third point: This drilling is not done purposefully or to weaken Pakistani agriculture. Look at the map of Pakistan you have indus basin all over your agricultural lands, why not dig water reservoirs and pits to improve ground water level, Our state Govts. are doing it for over a decade, especially in AP we used to have a scheme regarding this issue.
Because doing so will make us suck your water...You see when you pump EXCESSIVELY (I SEE you did not read my articles) the water balance shifts considerably)...We we ask you to do is conserve! Maybe it is not in your dictionary? :unsure:

Fourth point: Do not look this issue in the lens of Israel and Palestine, both are different and these issue(if it is an issue....) can be dealt by talks, last time you people went to tribunal regarding water of Indus and other rivers Pakistan lost its appeal.

The problem with you lot is you do not discriminate between ground aquifer and underground water as well as surface water...

You utilize surface water then go to aquifer than go to underground water (this is what you steal)...You pump dry everything shows how much wastage you use...Someone few pages back was showing off about going green....going green also involves conservation of water usage...not water wastage!

An aquifer is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock or unconsolidated materials (gravel, sand, or silt) from which groundwater can be extracted using a water well.
 
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Small amount? You can extract your own but do not pump out our ground water when you have used up your quota!

this is what happens when you INEFFICIENTLY use water!

Indians kindly educate yourself


80% of indus water forever maybe more than adequate compensation for whatever little groundwater is taken out .. and its not that ground water was partitioned based on islamic water or hindu water in 1947
 
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Fifth point: You people are getting water from Indian part of kashmir ...:)

Pakistan has blamed India, saying it is withholding millions of cubic feet of water upstream in Indian-administered Kashmir and storing it in the massive Baglihar dam in order to produce hydro-electricity.
Taking water out of the system is in breach of a 1960 treaty designed to administer water use in the region, Pakistan claims.
Pakistan accuses India of 'stealing' water - Telegraph

So nope we are not getting any water from Indian occupied Kashmir

80% of indus water forever maybe more than adequate compensation for whatever little groundwater is taken out .. and its not that ground water was partitioned based on islamic water or hindu water in 1947

And the rivers sources are in Indian occupied Kashmir which India withholds...so nope you are not compensating anything...
 
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And how many times has Pakistan addressed this point? More than twice from my readings for the articles I posted....What has India done? Nothing? Then India dares wonder why there is no peace treaty? Well, you lot dont allow it from your ignorant actions!
Why are you facing this problem? Adrdress it and solve it...there is such thing as going green as Mr. @Roybot addressed why is it still not helping?
Because doing so will make us suck your water...You see when you pump EXCESSIVELY (I SEE you did not read my articles) the water balance shifts considerably)...We we ask you to do is conserve! Maybe it is not in your dictionary? :unsure:



The problem with you lot is you do not discriminate between ground aquifer and underground water as well as surface water...

You utilize surface water then go to aquifer than go to underground water (this is what you steal)...You pump dry everything shows how much wastage you use...Someone few pages back was showing off about going green....going green also involves conservation of water usage...not water wastage!

Blasting all your guns at me....:D .I will reply in a short time ..... :)
 
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Recently, a document titled “United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change’ (UNFCCC), reveals that India is all set to get the carbon credits of almost $700 million for 10 years against seven hydropower projects being built on Pakistan’s river Indus, Chenab and Jhelum from UN on 28 July . This will automatically provide legitimacy to all the projects. India’s seeking carbon credits from UN is also linked with Kishanganga project. Pakistan is already in a legal battle with India on Kishanganga Project in International Court of Arbitration at The Hague. The International Court of Arbitration (ICA) has granted a stay order, restraining India from going ahead with the controversial hydro power project over river Kishanganga in Gurez area of occupied Kashmir. Under the ICA order, India will not construct a permanent structure over River Neelum/Kishanganga that may affect the flow of water downstream. Pakistan had lodged a complaint in the court of arbitration that Indian bid to build Kishanganga dam was violation of World Bank brokered Indus Water Treaty of 1960. On Indian refusal Pakistan went to the ICA, which now issued the interim order on the issue restraining India from dam construction. Pakistan is confronted with a situation whereby India is trying to make IWT ineffective. Kishanganga is one among many projects that Pakistan is becoming wary of. Pakistan is a lower riparian state, which gets almost all its water from Indian Held Kashmir. To negate any major confrontation between the two countries, the World Bank helped them reach an agreement through the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) in 1960. The treaty has withstood two major wars between the nuclear-armed countries besides smaller conflicts. But now the situation is changing, as Pakistan’s water needs have increased and the country is confronted with water shortage. India initiated the Kishanganga project, costing $820 million, in the Gurez-Bandipora area of Kashmir, which would divert parts Neelum/Kishanganga flow which will be used to generate energy and raised level of water in the Wullar Lake. It involves construction of a 37-meter high concrete faced rock-fill dam which connected via a 22-kilometer water diversion tunnel. If completed, the dam would result in a 21% drop in Neelum River’s inflow; thereby the diversion of the Kishanganga River by India will reduce 27 per cent of the power-generation capacity of its Neelum-Jhelum Hydroelectric Project. There is also fear of reduced river flows for at least six months every year, irreparable loss to the environment, especially to the Musk Deer Gurez Park, a vast national park in AJK near the LoC, and a dent in the tourism potential of the Neelum valley. About 200 kilometers of riverbed will be affected by the project and about 40 kilometers of the length of the river will completely dry up; the water reduction will also severely affect agriculture. Kishanganga is not the only project that India and Pakistan have been fighting over. The two countries had faced off over the Baglihar hydel-power project, built by damming the Chenab River in Indian Kashmir. In 2008 Pakistan was faced with decreased flow of water in the Chenab when India started to fill the dam. The river feeds water to 21 major canals and irrigates about 2.8 million hectares of arable land in Pakistan. Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW), an economic think-tank, calculated that filling the Baglihar dam would inflict a loss of $1.5 billion on Pakistan. Analysts termed it a hydro weapon. The fast-flowing Chenab, a vital river for Pakistan’s agriculture, has a high potential for generating power and India plans to generate 16,000MW of energy by constructing nine power houses on it.India maintains a huge military machine in Occupied Kashmir, much larger than the United States and its allies, put together, have in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Occupied Kashmir, its three-quarters of a million troops perhaps out number any such expeditionary force stationed in an occupied or disputed area since the Second World War. On the face of it, the deployment is tasked to deal with freedom fighters, which of course is a daunting challenge, but more importantly, it is there to change the face of the Muslim-majority landscape called Kashmir; its main weapon being brutal use of force against unarmed civilian population. But where its work goes almost unnoticed is the security it provides to Indian engineers, who are planning and working day and night to build dams on rivers that take water to Pakistan. So furiously are they working and in such so-far inaccessible areas that of late, New Delhi is thinking of bringing these projects under the enhanced protection cover of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF). All this work falls within the definition of an aqua war India is preparing to foist on Pakistan. India is rapidly moving towards its target of making Pakistan totally barren by building dams on three major rivers Chenab, Jhelum and Indus flowing into Pakistan from the Indian side of the border. These dams are being built in shrewd violation of provisions in Indus Water Treaty signed between the two countries to ensure equitable distribution of water resources. India is doing its best to overturn the IWT but Pakistan must not fall into the Indian trap by following a two-pronged strategy. First, to pursue this case with full vigour, and ensure that the stay is confirmed, second, to utilize this breathing space to start building irrigation-cum-generation projects on the Indus. However, a permanent solution will involve a settlement of the Kashmir issue. It would mean a general Indo-Pak settlement, ridding us of threat of water projects in Indian Held Kashmir.

Indo-Pak water dispute

Blasting all your guns at me....:D .I will reply in a short time ..... :)

Not blasting putting fwd what you asked...Besides others are only trolling and laughing like they have not heard of water disputes ...wait maybe they really havent, then they should not be on this thread :pop:
 
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Its totally unfair ........there is a standing order for all Indian Military and Para Military personals posted in Kashmir to **** into the river that flows into pakistan. :sick:

If that is not enough ..... kashmir raw sewage (from their toilets and bathrooms) is released into these rivers that flows into paksitan and provide drinking water to pakistani citizens.

Don't Indians in pdf feel we should not release our body waste into pakistani rivers ? we should all write to Indian govt. to stop this brutal treatment of pakistanis. In fact pakistani govt. has already complained to Indian govt. to stop this flow as they are making pakistani citizens sick and their crop smell bad.

BTW .... does all drinking water in pakistan come from Indus river ?
 
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Indians coming out with new terms...Honestly speaking I 1st heard that word from a PDF Indian troll :whistle:

Stick to the topic

I just did. This is not our problem. Its yours.

We are under no treaty obligation, bilateral or global, to help you out.

We are under no obligation to help your farmers or your agricultural sector. AND we are under no obligation to seize and desist our activities.

IF it constitutes a breach of any obligation on our part then follow the available channels and take us to an International arbitrator.

Beyond that we cannot and will not do anything.
 
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I just did. This is not our problem. Its yours.

We are under no treaty obligation, bilateral or global, to help you out.

We are under no obligation to help your farmers or your agricultural sector. AND we are under no obligation to seize and desist our activities.

IF it constitutes a breach of any obligation on our part then follow the available channels and take us to an International arbitrator.

Beyond that we cannot and will not do anything.

Read my posts ....You guys broke the Indus Waters Treaty by holding water in Kashmir! :coffee:

India will not construct a permanent structure over River Neelum/Kishanganga

India initiated the Kishanganga project, costing $820 million, in the Gurez-Bandipora area of Kashmir, which would divert parts Neelum/Kishanganga flow which will be used to generate energy and raised level of water in the Wullar Lake
 
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Read my posts ....You guys broke the Indus Waters Treaty by holding water in Kashmir! :coffee:

India will not construct a permanent structure over River Neelum/Kishanganga

India initiated the Kishanganga project, costing $820 million, in the Gurez-Bandipora area of Kashmir, which would divert parts Neelum/Kishanganga flow which will be used to generate energy and raised level of water in the Wullar Lake

AND you have the recourse of the law. Use it, and if using it and the resultant verdict does not satisfy you then cry us a river.

We will undertake projects which are for our betterment, and even stall those which we find to be objectionable, we recently found out that even the WB can be manipulated. That is our sovereign right as you have yours, use them and be content.
 
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Small amount? You can extract your own but do not pump out our ground water when you have used up your quota!

this is what happens when you INEFFICIENTLY use water!

Indians kindly educate yourself



Grabbing Water From Future Generations - Water Grabbers - National Geographic

thanks for informing.i didnt know that before.in india we also have rules to not dig beyond some depth but no body follows it.i was of the view tht even if water is dried out inside,gud rainfall will refill the ground.many ppl think like me only;they dont have the idea of the seriousness of the problem
 
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@Talon Oh and btw the most recent judgement by the IAC/ICC, which you should know about, has cleared the project pending that we change the method of sediment removal from the draw down flushing method and present updated flow/diversion data to them. They have categorically allowed the project to go through after October this year. Anything else?:)
 
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Why do we Pakistanis like to whine so much?
You can't accomplish anything in this world by complaining (unless you blame terrorists, then everyone believes you)
 
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Read my posts ....You guys broke the Indus Waters Treaty by holding water in Kashmir! :coffee:

India will not construct a permanent structure over River Neelum/Kishanganga

India initiated the Kishanganga project, costing $820 million, in the Gurez-Bandipora area of Kashmir, which would divert parts Neelum/Kishanganga flow which will be used to generate energy and raised level of water in the Wullar Lake

ok then why is no international tribunal penalizing india. in fact india wone a few cases
 
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