Scientists say Indian farmers draining Pakistan’s waters

[Srinivas]

And how many times has Pakistan addressed this point? More than twice from my readings for the articles I posted....What has India done? Nothing? Then India dares wonder why there is no peace treaty? Well, you lot dont allow it from your ignorant actions!
Why are you facing this problem? Adrdress it and solve it...there is such thing as going green as Mr. @Roybot addressed why is it still not helping?
Because doing so will make us suck your water...You see when you pump EXCESSIVELY (I SEE you did not read my articles) the water balance shifts considerably)...We we ask you to do is conserve! Maybe it is not in your dictionary?


The problem with you lot is you do not discriminate between ground aquifer and underground water as well as surface water...

You utilize surface water then go to aquifer than go to underground water (this is what you steal)...You pump dry everything shows how much wastage you use...Someone few pages back was showing off about going green....going green also involves conservation of water usage...not water wastage!

The trans-boundary groundwater issue – The Express Tribune

The large-scale initiation of irrigation in the Indus Basin by the British colonialist is one of the most significant — if not the most significant — features of the history of the region. Few have appreciated the enormity it represents in the trajectory of our history, politics and culture. And fewer still understand the affects it has on the groundwater in the region.
The British irrigation system rolled out in the 19th and 20th centuries resulted in a massive injection of water into aquifers. Since this injection was more than the drainage capacity of the aquifers, it led to an unprecedented rise in groundwater levels and to large-scale water-logging and salinity issues.
The Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 and the irrigation infrastructure built in Pakistan as a result saw the start of large-scale groundwater exploitation. There were 2,700 tube wells in Pakistan in 1950, and this number increased to over 600,000 by 2003. Now, it is estimated that 75 per cent of the increase in water supplies in the last 25 years has been attributed to public and private groundwater exploitation (private farmers are said to have invested about Rs24 billion into groundwater development).
The next phase of Pakistan’s groundwater development is now to rise to the challenge of preserving the groundwater resource base, its recharge and discharge, upon which, in the words of John Briscoe, “so much life and wealth now depends”.
In a paper titled “Pakistan’s Groundwater Reservoir and its Sustainability” by Muhammad Amin, a former Member (Water) Wapda, the writer states that the groundwater potential in Punjab, Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are stated as 42.75 million acre feet (MAF), 18 MAF, 3.11 MAF and 1.21 MAF respectively.Point 1: However, due to the virtual absence of groundwater management, people are free to install tube wells and extract unlimited amounts of groundwater without regard to the detrimental affect on the aquifer. Where pumping is in excess of the aquifer’s recharge rate, the mining of the aquifer will result in accelerated depletion.
Point 2:At present, it is estimated that five per cent of the area of Punjab and 15 per cent of Balochistan contains groundwater outside the reach of poor farmers who can only afford shallow pumping wells. And this area may increase to 20 per cent in Punjab and 30 per cent in Balochistan in the next 25 years because of the growth in groundwater withdrawals.

Without doubt then, there is a need for a groundwater regulatory framework in Pakistan that will ensure a sustainable and equitable use of our groundwater resource. But the groundwater equation doesn’t end there and is made infinitely more complicated if one considers the affect of groundwater extraction across the border in India.

In the past few years, data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) shows groundwater in North India has been disappearing. The northern states of Punjab, Rajasthan and Haryana have all the ingredients of groundwater exploitation: staggering population growth, rapid economic development and water-hungry farms which, because of subsidised tube well tariffs, account for about 95 per cent of groundwater use in the region.

(I do not believe the data from western agencies but I can tell you there is a problem of ground water availability, this is because of population explosion on Both sides of border and especially because of poor family planning in Pakistan).

A time-lapse video of groundwater resources in north India taken by the GRACE satellite shows the changes in groundwater levels across the border in Pakistan, raising the question of whether or not groundwater use on one side of the border is affecting the groundwater on the other.
At the moment, Indo-Pak water relations are bound by the Indus Waters Treaty. However, the Treaty is a surface water document and does not relate to groundwater use. The big questions then are: if there is a link between groundwater resources across the border, how will these two countries devise a mechanism to regulate the use of the resource; and will they be able to achieve a regulatory mechanism that is both profitable and sustainable? The law of transboundary aquifers adopted by the UN General Assembly in 2009 sets out the basic obligations of countries sharing a transboundary aquifer resource, and may be of some use in developing an arrangement between India and Pakistan.
The IUCN’s Draft Policy Brief “Beyond Indus Water Treaty: Ground Water and Environmental Management — Policy Issues and Options” identifies the following key policy issues: depletion of aquifers in northern India and impact on Pakistan’s aquifers; entry of effluent into western rivers, growing demand of surface water to recharge aquifers in Indus-India; and seepage losses in lakes and reservoirs.
The current framework, leave alone bitter politics, of the Indus Treaty may not allow for such policy issues to be discussed. But groundwater management is definitely a water issue between the two countries. It is up to governments on both sides, supported by civil society, to seize hold of the agenda on this matter and to initiate a dialogue that can secure the water and food security of future generations.


The extraction of water levels in Pakistan is more because of population explosion, this should be your primary concern.

The movement of ground water is a secondary issue and Indian punjab has good family planning than Pakistani one.

Population is doubling every decade or so, how do you expect water to rise according to population growth ??

 

[Jayanta]

Define validity?

Drilling is not a prob... Drill deeper....apparently in India you were not thought geography the meaning of reserved water, water table, Aquifer and what not...kindly do your research...

It is called groundwater management....if PDF is a representative of ignorance in India, no wonder our water is being stolen...Mind you it is a issue around the globe and can be raised!

http://wrri.nmsu.edu/publish/techrpt/tr109/tr109.pdf

Crimes against Humanity: Stealing Palestine’s Water Resources | Global Research

India?s nexus between resources, climate change - and stability

Maybe you can not recall how India was crying when Coka cola was stealing your water...it was an issue but you see it ok to do the same to someone else that too at a larger scale?

CorpWatch*:*Corporate Accountability International: Tell Coke to Stop Stealing Water

IRC- Coca-Cola -- Campaign to Hold Coca-Cola Accountable

Stop whining, do something else shut the hell up.

 

[Parul]

The trans-boundary groundwater issue – The Express Tribune

The large-scale initiation of irrigation in the Indus Basin by the British colonialist is one of the most significant — if not the most significant — features of the history of the region. Few have appreciated the enormity it represents in the trajectory of our history, politics and culture. And fewer still understand the affects it has on the groundwater in the region.
The British irrigation system rolled out in the 19th and 20th centuries resulted in a massive injection of water into aquifers. Since this injection was more than the drainage capacity of the aquifers, it led to an unprecedented rise in groundwater levels and to large-scale water-logging and salinity issues.
The Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 and the irrigation infrastructure built in Pakistan as a result saw the start of large-scale groundwater exploitation. There were 2,700 tube wells in Pakistan in 1950, and this number increased to over 600,000 by 2003. Now, it is estimated that 75 per cent of the increase in water supplies in the last 25 years has been attributed to public and private groundwater exploitation (private farmers are said to have invested about Rs24 billion into groundwater development).
The next phase of Pakistan’s groundwater development is now to rise to the challenge of preserving the groundwater resource base, its recharge and discharge, upon which, in the words of John Briscoe, “so much life and wealth now depends”.
In a paper titled “Pakistan’s Groundwater Reservoir and its Sustainability” by Muhammad Amin, a former Member (Water) Wapda, the writer states that the groundwater potential in Punjab, Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are stated as 42.75 million acre feet (MAF), 18 MAF, 3.11 MAF and 1.21 MAF respectively.Point 1: However, due to the virtual absence of groundwater management, people are free to install tube wells and extract unlimited amounts of groundwater without regard to the detrimental affect on the aquifer. Where pumping is in excess of the aquifer’s recharge rate, the mining of the aquifer will result in accelerated depletion.
Point 2:At present, it is estimated that five per cent of the area of Punjab and 15 per cent of Balochistan contains groundwater outside the reach of poor farmers who can only afford shallow pumping wells. And this area may increase to 20 per cent in Punjab and 30 per cent in Balochistan in the next 25 years because of the growth in groundwater withdrawals.

Without doubt then, there is a need for a groundwater regulatory framework in Pakistan that will ensure a sustainable and equitable use of our groundwater resource. But the groundwater equation doesn’t end there and is made infinitely more complicated if one considers the affect of groundwater extraction across the border in India.

(I do not believe the data from western agencies but I can tell you there is a problem of ground water availability, this is because of population explosion on Both sides of border and especially because of poor family planning in Pakistan).

A time-lapse video of groundwater resources in north India taken by the GRACE satellite shows the changes in groundwater levels across the border in Pakistan, raising the question of whether or not groundwater use on one side of the border is affecting the groundwater on the other.
At the moment, Indo-Pak water relations are bound by the Indus Waters Treaty. However, the Treaty is a surface water document and does not relate to groundwater use. The big questions then are: if there is a link between groundwater resources across the border, how will these two countries devise a mechanism to regulate the use of the resource; and will they be able to achieve a regulatory mechanism that is both profitable and sustainable? The law of transboundary aquifers adopted by the UN General Assembly in 2009 sets out the basic obligations of countries sharing a transboundary aquifer resource, and may be of some use in developing an arrangement between India and Pakistan.
The IUCN’s Draft Policy Brief “Beyond Indus Water Treaty: Ground Water and Environmental Management — Policy Issues and Options” identifies the following key policy issues: depletion of aquifers in northern India and impact on Pakistan’s aquifers; entry of effluent into western rivers, growing demand of surface water to recharge aquifers in Indus-India; and seepage losses in lakes and reservoirs.
The current framework, leave alone bitter politics, of the Indus Treaty may not allow for such policy issues to be discussed. But groundwater management is definitely a water issue between the two countries. It is up to governments on both sides, supported by civil society, to seize hold of the agenda on this matter and to initiate a dialogue that can secure the water and food security of future generations.


The extraction of water levels in Pakistan is more because of population explosion, this should be your primary concern.

The movement of ground water is a secondary issue and Indian punjab has good family planning than Pakistani one.

Population is doubling every decade or so, how do you expect water to rise according to population growth ??

Very informative Article and it sums up almost most of the things

 

[Dubious]

Why do we Pakistanis like to whine so much?
You can't accomplish anything in this world by complaining (unless you blame terrorists, then everyone believes you)

Do you prefer we but crops from India instead of producing our own? THAT will be a BIGGER whining industry...

 

[Guynextdoor2]

well, to the extent that this talks about a behavioral issue, it's a concern that pak can raise with india. Thankfully this guy isn't painting some conspiracy picture of river control but some behavioral problem. Fine, let's look into it.

 

[Dubious]

The trans-boundary groundwater issue – The Express Tribune

The large-scale initiation of irrigation in the Indus Basin by the British colonialist is one of the most significant — if not the most significant — features of the history of the region. Few have appreciated the enormity it represents in the trajectory of our history, politics and culture. And fewer still understand the affects it has on the groundwater in the region.
The British irrigation system rolled out in the 19th and 20th centuries resulted in a massive injection of water into aquifers. Since this injection was more than the drainage capacity of the aquifers, it led to an unprecedented rise in groundwater levels and to large-scale water-logging and salinity issues.
The Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 and the irrigation infrastructure built in Pakistan as a result saw the start of large-scale groundwater exploitation. There were 2,700 tube wells in Pakistan in 1950, and this number increased to over 600,000 by 2003. Now, it is estimated that 75 per cent of the increase in water supplies in the last 25 years has been attributed to public and private groundwater exploitation (private farmers are said to have invested about Rs24 billion into groundwater development).
The next phase of Pakistan’s groundwater development is now to rise to the challenge of preserving the groundwater resource base, its recharge and discharge, upon which, in the words of John Briscoe, “so much life and wealth now depends”.
In a paper titled “Pakistan’s Groundwater Reservoir and its Sustainability” by Muhammad Amin, a former Member (Water) Wapda, the writer states that the groundwater potential in Punjab, Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are stated as 42.75 million acre feet (MAF), 18 MAF, 3.11 MAF and 1.21 MAF respectively.Point 1: However, due to the virtual absence of groundwater management, people are free to install tube wells and extract unlimited amounts of groundwater without regard to the detrimental affect on the aquifer. Where pumping is in excess of the aquifer’s recharge rate, the mining of the aquifer will result in accelerated depletion.
Point 2:At present, it is estimated that five per cent of the area of Punjab and 15 per cent of Balochistan contains groundwater outside the reach of poor farmers who can only afford shallow pumping wells. And this area may increase to 20 per cent in Punjab and 30 per cent in Balochistan in the next 25 years because of the growth in groundwater withdrawals.

Without doubt then, there is a need for a groundwater regulatory framework in Pakistan that will ensure a sustainable and equitable use of our groundwater resource. But the groundwater equation doesn’t end there and is made infinitely more complicated if one considers the affect of groundwater extraction across the border in India.

(I do not believe the data from western agencies but I can tell you there is a problem of ground water availability, this is because of population explosion on Both sides of border and especially because of poor family planning in Pakistan).

A time-lapse video of groundwater resources in north India taken by the GRACE satellite shows the changes in groundwater levels across the border in Pakistan, raising the question of whether or not groundwater use on one side of the border is affecting the groundwater on the other.
At the moment, Indo-Pak water relations are bound by the Indus Waters Treaty. However, the Treaty is a surface water document and does not relate to groundwater use. The big questions then are: if there is a link between groundwater resources across the border, how will these two countries devise a mechanism to regulate the use of the resource; and will they be able to achieve a regulatory mechanism that is both profitable and sustainable? The law of transboundary aquifers adopted by the UN General Assembly in 2009 sets out the basic obligations of countries sharing a transboundary aquifer resource, and may be of some use in developing an arrangement between India and Pakistan.
The IUCN’s Draft Policy Brief “Beyond Indus Water Treaty: Ground Water and Environmental Management — Policy Issues and Options” identifies the following key policy issues: depletion of aquifers in northern India and impact on Pakistan’s aquifers; entry of effluent into western rivers, growing demand of surface water to recharge aquifers in Indus-India; and seepage losses in lakes and reservoirs.
The current framework, leave alone bitter politics, of the Indus Treaty may not allow for such policy issues to be discussed. But groundwater management is definitely a water issue between the two countries. It is up to governments on both sides, supported by civil society, to seize hold of the agenda on this matter and to initiate a dialogue that can secure the water and food security of future generations.


The extraction of water levels in Pakistan is more because of population explosion, this should be your primary concern.

The movement of ground water is a secondary issue and Indian punjab has good family planning than Pakistani one.

Population is doubling every decade or so, how do you expect water to rise according to population growth ??

1st you said our population increase should be taken into consideration....India's population is also not constant so maybe you guys should do family planning so you wont turn into robbers!


Furthermore it is India which is pumping OUR ground water

At present, it is estimated that five per cent of the area of Punjab and 15 per cent of Balochistan contains groundwater outside the reach of poor farmers who can only afford shallow pumping wells. And this area may increase to 20 per cent in Punjab and 30 per cent in Balochistan in the next 25 years because of the growth in groundwater withdrawals.

 

[Bobby]

One thing is sure ...Indian dams can control water supply of Pakistan....India dont need Nuclear bomb for Pakistan

 

[Parul]

One thing is sure ...Indian dams can control water supply of Pakistan....India dont need Nuclear bomb for Pakistan

I wish and pray that world never see a Nuclear Bomb. Thinking of it's aftermath is SCARY

 

[karan.1970]

Ask the bhartee that is crying to me about it.

you have no clue what oxymoron means.. do you ???

 

[Dubious]

Stop whining, do something else shut the hell up.

Why do we Pakistanis like to whine so much?
You can't accomplish anything in this world by complaining (unless you blame terrorists, then everyone believes you)

An issue being addressed or an article which is spreading awareness is not a whine

 

[SRP]

you have no clue what oxymoron means.. do you ???

May be he thought Oxygen+moron= oxymoron

 

[karan.1970]

An issue being addressed or an article which is spreading awareness is not a whine

You are right.. The article is not a whine at all.. It raises some good points like

he warned that Pakistan’s water storage capacity is abysmally low at 30 days, compared with 120 days in India, 200 days in China and Australia and 500 days in the US


“We are inefficient in using water, fertiliser, horsepower, human capital and other inputs,” he said; adding that: “If the country keeps the same practice, we will soon see a large segment of the population facing food insecurity.”

Its the Pakistani members here who have started whining about "India ne hamara paani le liya" .... What's next? India breathes more air ??

 

[Srinivas]

1st you said our population increase should be taken into consideration....India's population is also not
constant so maybe you guys should do family planning so you wont turn into robbers!

Haha....

Pakistan is poor in family planning average is 4 I think and Indian fertility rate is under 2. Who needs family planning??

Next I don't think drawing ground water is robbery , Indians are drawing water from their lands ..... simple.

Pakistan and India do not have any agreements regarding ground water issue.

Furthermore it is India which is pumping OUR ground water

You are getting majority water from our glaciers in kashmir, can we say Pakistan is stealing our water since you people are using the water of rivers??

 

[Dubious]

You are getting majority water from our glaciers in kashmir, can we say Pakistan is stealing our water since you people are using the water of rivers??

I already showed that is not the case esp when India is building a dam there...

 

[Srinivas]

I already showed that is not the case esp when India is building a dam there...

Those dams are for electricity generation purpose, eventually they have to release the water with out diverting the water.

Your politicians will always include some Indian element so that , people like you can blame India and forget about pakistan's mismanagement.