Saudi security is a red line | Pakistan

[Nassr]

I added a few more details to my previous post.

Well, most Indo-Iranian people had certain differences among them. Even Pashtuns are different from the Baloch in many ways in spite of the fact that they are Indo-Iranian people. Cultures evolve separately, the Koshur language for instance is most similar to Rigvedic Sanskrit as far as I know. This also implies that when the age of Classical Sanskrit began at the time Panini came up with the grammatical rules for Sanskrit, it's influence over the Indo-Aryan people residing in Kashmir was minimal though they were naturally aware of it. To some extent, Kashmir was also isolated as the Vedic civilization was broken in to multiple kingdoms. Southern India & Bangladesh don't have anything if much to do with the Indo-Iranian migrations. There may have been some mixture with the local people, but that happens everywhere as people migrate from one land to another. Most of the Sub-Continent was culturally dominated by the Indo-Iranians & that is how their languages spread. The Indo-Iranian migrations & settlements remained in the north western & to some extent northern regions of the Sub-Continent. By the way, many Kashmiris do resemble Iranic ethnic groups.

Which origin myths? Are you referring to the ones here?

What time frame are you referring to when these migrations took place. Time frame is of utmost importance in order to contextualize the historical value of these migrations.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

What time frame are you referring to when these migrations took place. Time frame is of utmost importance in order to contextualize the historical value of these migrations.

Genetic studies indicate that Indo-Iranian migrations took place around 3000 to 8000 years ago. The most precise date is probably somewhere in between, unless the migrations occurred over a significant period of time.

 

[Edevelop]

Thousands of tourists visit Iran each year. We have a rich history, hospitable people and safe situation. Read most trip reports. Unlike Pakistan, where if you cross the wrong region, you have the chance of getting your head chopped off.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...million-tourists-visited-pakistan-2012-a.html

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153072563400481

 

[Desert Fox]

None of them are probably willing to die defending the average Hijazi mountain village, villages located in Najd along Wadi Hanifa, the 1150 tropical islands, Jazan, Al-Bahah, Asir, Najran, Najd, the Eastern Province or the Northern Areas but purely Makkah and Madinah.

Whether one likes it or not then they are located in Hijaz which is a part of KSA today.

When people are referring to KSA here and defense they are referring to Makkah and Madinah obviously and not Tabuk, Riyadh or Qatif.

How can that be misunderstood or even questioned?

I'm not questioning their willingness to defend Makka and Madinah (Two Holy Sites that God Himself protects).

I'm just posing a few questions to them. Would we be guaranteed of a Saudi support against india, whom the Saudis are trying their best to wean off of Iranian oil in order to further isolate Iran and cripple its economy which is mostly dependent on oil exports??

I don't think so, not at this critical juncture when Saudi and Iran are willing to ago at any length to harm each other and secure their own interests, even at expense of other Muslim countries that have nothing to do with their rivalry, and this too at a time when Pakistan-india tensions have once again flared up since the many border skirmishes that have resulted in the deaths of troops from both sides.

Makkah and Medina are sacred to every Muslim, not doubt. But Pakistan is a country, and Pakistanis are people, Muslim people at that too. We do have our own interest to look after and questioning our relations with certain countries (and not Sacred Religious Sites) is our right, emotions should be swept aside.

@Armstrong @Aeronaut @p(-)0ENiX @Doritos11 @PWFI

 

[Hayreddin]

. It doesn't matter ARABS love or hate pakistanis , we have concern with the holy cities of MAKKAH and Medina . if any country attack or threat KSA , every pakistani will fight untill last breath to defend the holy places , we didn't make Nuclear missiles for show piece ,we will turn the opponent country into ashes . KSA is sacred place for us . Red alarm for enemies of islam , remain away from the boundaries of KSA

 

[Nassr]

Genetic studies indicate that Indo-Iranian migrations took place around 3000 to 8000 years ago. The most precise date is probably somewhere in between, unless the migrations occurred over a significant period of time.

Can you give please give me a reference for this. Indeed interesting.

This means that these may have started around 6000 BC. Which means that there could be some existing spoken language format but not a written format that existed at the time and therefore no recorded history.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Can you give please give me a reference for this. Indeed interesting.

This means that these may have started around 6000 BC. Which means that there could be some existing spoken language format but not a written format that existed at the time and therefore no recorded history.

Yeah, Sanskrit is said to have been an unwritten language initially. I will provide you with a source on this thread after I reply to your other post, because I do not want to derail this thread.

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[MENTION=39150]Nassr[/MENTION]

I have provided you with the source on that thread in a reply to one of your other posts.

 

[Desert Fox]

If you are worried if this happen without our Ally, we will be fine, our whole Army forces (500K+) will not transfer to Saudi Arabia immediately to leave our country behind. Pakistan is not that simple, Saudis know lot of favor from Pakistan's support on Bahrain and Al Saudi protections.

The national interest both countries are win-win, it is not similar like US back stabbed on Gaddafi or India reduce their oil importing from Iran to satisfy the West.

I am not here to applause the Ummah brotherhood between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, we see the important benefits of each other in common shares for long terms.

I never implied that our entire army will abandon Pakistan to save Saudi.

I'm mere stating legitimate questions, among which is of whether or not such emotions/actions/commitment would be reciprocated.

 

[ghilzai]

Pashtuns including Ghilzai are mainly Iranic, from Eastern-Iranic peoples. Prophet Zoroaster, scythians,bactrians,soghdians were also eastern-Iranic.

No sir, not every pukhtoon is of Iranic ancestry, pukhtoons differ racially and have different backgrounds, ghilzai are the descendants of khalaj people, Afghanistan the land has been inhabited by different groups and greatly by the Iranic and Turkic people, some pukhtoons are descendants of huns and so on, we are a federation of like minded people.

Sorry to disappoint you but not every pukhtoon is eastern iranic.

 

[PWFI]

I'm not questioning their willingness to defend Makka and Madinah (Two Holy Sites that God Himself protects).

I'm just posing a few questions to them. Would we be guaranteed of a Saudi support against india, whom the Saudis are trying their best to wean off of Iranian oil in order to further isolate Iran and cripple its economy which is mostly dependent on oil exports??

I don't think so, not at this critical juncture when Saudi and Iran are willing to ago at any length to harm each other and secure their own interests, even at expense of other Muslim countries that have nothing to do with their rivalry, and this too at a time when Pakistan-india tensions have once again flared up since the many border skirmishes that have resulted in the deaths of troops from both sides.

Makkah and Medina are sacred to every Muslim, not doubt. But Pakistan is a country, and Pakistanis are people, Muslim people at that too. We do have our own interest to look after and questioning our relations with certain countries (and not Sacred Religious Sites) is our right, emotions should be swept aside.

@Armstrong @Aeronaut @p(-)0ENiX @Doritos11 @PWFI

An exellent analysis, rational and very logical

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes but before such a victory there will be internal problems in Pakistan between the Sunni and Shia as people are calling this a religious war now, so nuke both and save the problems, what do you say.

I don't think nuking would solve anything TBH. In fact, nuking isn't the answer to everything. Even in indo-Pak war/rivalry nukes should be a last resort.

Pakistan's nukes are a deterrent.

We should however take steps to eradicating Saudi and Iranian political influence within our country. This can be achieved by isolating the extremists/sectarian mindset through inciting Nationalistic sentiments because after all most Pakistanis view Saudi and Iranian interference as foreign and alien, and thus something that has harmed Pakistan's well being and prosperity.

 

[ghilzai]

Bhai hum Punjabiyoon ko bhi apnaa keh doo...?



I started going to the Gym again yesterday !

My knees hurt because of heavy squatting !

Do you do barbell or dumbbell squats ?

I thought you are Kashmiri, all Pakistanis are my people why you feeling insecure, my support for someone will never be at the expense of the people of Pakistan.

 

[Desert Fox]

Are you a Pakistani or Iranian??

The Shia are allied with Iran and the Sunni are allied with S.Arabia burning Pakistan down to ashes..there needs a Hitler in Pakistan which will send both of these to concentration camp for the final solution!

Yes we need a Hitler who can rescue Pakistan from the mess it currently finds itself in, however, if by "final solution" you are suggesting "gassings", well then 1). the original National Socialists did no "gassings". Nationalism is the way forward out of this mess.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

No sir, not every pukhtoon is of Iranic ancestry, pukhtoons differ racially and have different backgrounds, ghilzai are the descendants of khalaj people, Afghanistan the land has been inhabited by different groups and greatly by the Iranic and Turkic people, some pukhtoons are descendants of huns and so on, we are a federation of like minded people.

Sorry to disappoint you but not every pukhtoon is eastern iranic.

Yes, Pashtuns have mixed with Pactyans & Ephthalites in the past according to some historians, but they remained Indo-Iranian for the most part. In modern times, I would agree that there are people of Turkic origin present in both Afghanistan & Pakistan among Pashtuns. However, their culture & language remains Indo-Iranian for the most part.

 

[PAKISTANI MUJAHIDEEN 2]

Nothing will happen 2 R BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) ARABIA but definately everything will happen in SAUDI ARABIA= YAHUDI ARABIA the SAUDI FAMILY had the audacity 2 rename ARABIA of R BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) as their FAMILY NAME SAUDI nd ontop of tht allowing kaafir american troops 2 b stationed in ARABIA of R BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) as if there were no ISLAMIC TROOPS from EGYPT IRAQ ND PAKISTAN tht cud save the sanctity of R BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) ARABIA. AMERICAN BASES ND AMERICAN TROOPS stationed in SAUDI ARABIA= YAHUDI ARABIA will b hit just like KHOBAR TOWER BOMBINGS SAUDI= YAHUDI FAMILY is about 2 get allihinated nd massacred nd wiped off from the face of this earth.