SAUDI PRINCE CLAIMS KINGDOM CAN DESTROY IRAN IN 8 HOURS

[hussainb72]

The correct term is "quasi-ballistic missile". This is because the missile can maneuver. I am talking of the version of Khalij which was used to strike ISIS targets. It was observed to have maximum speed of 3Mach then.

I understand what it is because Indian Prithvi-3 missile is also a quasi-ballistic missile which has maneuverable trajectory.


Just look at your video and see how the missile immediately turns sideways. Also, the missile is not vertically launched. I jave not seen any ballistic missile which is not vertically launched or that turns sideways that soon after launch.
Khalij doesn't just do evasive maneuver but hits the target by using seeker. This means it homes in on the target. This is clearly not a ballistic missile. Just because it is solid fuel doesn't mean it is ballistic missile.


Pershing was a quasi-ballistic missile. So is Khalij missile quasi-ballistic missile

Once again you are showing us that you are brain dead. The only difference between a ballistic missile and a quasi ballistic missile is that the quasi ballistic doesnt exit the atmosphere, everything else is the same, including the trajectory. And can you show me a source that said the max speed of the missiles used by iran in 2017 was mach 3? The missiles iran used at that time was the zolfaghar missile which is a variant of the fateh-110, but there are lots of differences between this version and the original version, as this version is longer and flies in a truly ballistic trajectory and has a longer range of about 700km.

I dont think you are educated enough to talk in these topics, i will try to teach you some stuff and you have to go read more about these stuff and then if you want, you can come back and continue this argument, but if u dont want to educate yourself then thats it, i wont respond to you anymore.

So we have BMs, which fly straight up, exit the atmosphere, then renter it after fixing their trajectory and land at extremely high speed on their target. And the fact that the exit the atmosphere and renter it doesnt mean that they are maneuverable or not, they are many ways to maneuver when being in the atmosphere or out of it, so your claim that if a missile that maneuvers isnt a ballistic or quasi ballistic missile is wrong.
Secondly we have the quasi ballistic missiles, These missiles have a ballistic trajectory but dont exit the atmosphere, but because of that, they have less range and speed than if they had a fully ballistic trajectory, you might ask why would someone do that if they can use the same missile in a ballistic trajectory and get a longer range, the answer is that a quasi ballistic missile cant be intercepted by the THAAD system or other systems that are exo atmospheric, and thats a huge advantage.
And finally about the khalij fars missile, it is a quasi ballistic missile, and its trajectory has been worked on so that it flies towards its target from a special angle, if you would look at the vid i posted above, you can see that the missile doesnt dive on the target at a 90 degree angle, the angle at which it dives at is in the blind spot of the ship's defense systems, so this greatly reduces the ability for the ship to intercept it, and the seeker was added to the missile for better accuracy and the ability to engage moving targets, so nothing special about that. And quasi ballistic and ballistic missiles both can maneuver at any stage of their flight, but there are some stages that maneuvering in them isnt feasible and will reduce the speed of the missile, but that doesnt mean the missile cant maneuver and if it does its not a ballistic or quasi ballistic missile.

So i hugely recommend that you would educate yourself first before engaging in such conversations.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

I am talking of the version of Khalij which was used to strike ISIS targets.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

It shows the trajectory

The missile is launched at about 0:39 and by 0:45 it starts changing trajectory to become more flat. This is how cruise missiles are fired. Ballistic missiles go straight upwards and don't change direction in just 5-6 seconds of launch.

The only difference between a ballistic missile and a quasi ballistic missile is that the quasi ballistic doesnt exit the atmosphere, everything else is the same,

Quasi-ballistic missile is one which is like a cruise missile but with solid fuel and ability to maneuver for homing on to target. As a result, these quasi ballistic missiles travel at lower speeds to enable maneuvering and have long powered flight. Ballistic missiles only have initial powered flight for short duration and stops its engine and dumps all its missile stages except warheads in the first half of the parabolic trajectory.

And can you show me a source that said the max speed of the missiles used by iran in 2017 was mach 3?

Read Wikipedia.

These missiles have a ballistic trajectory but dont exit the atmosphere, but because of that, they have less range and speed than if they had a fully ballistic trajectory, you might ask why would someone do that if they can use the same missile in a ballistic trajectory and get a longer range, the answer is that a quasi ballistic missile cant be intercepted by the THAAD system or other systems that are exo atmospheric, and thats a huge advantage.
And finally about the khalij fars missile, it is a quasi ballistic missile, and its trajectory has been worked on so that it flies towards its target from a special angle, if you would look at the vid i posted above, you can see that the missile doesnt dive on the target at a 90 degree angle, the angle at which it dives at is in the blind spot of the ship's defense systems

You are trying meaningless arguments. A missile can't have ballistic trajectory and still travel flat with powered flight as seen in its launch videos. Being difficult to intercept by THAAD doesn't make it better. There are endo-atmospheric BMD and SAM which can intercept these missiles. THAAD isn't the only BMD.

What is the blind spot of a ship? I don't understand this point. Steep diving capabilities is used mainly to strike land targets behind mountains etc and not for anti-ship role. Anti-ship missiles use sea skimming or S maneuver for better hit probability and low chance of interception.

Sorry, I meant Kurdistan target, not ISIS targets. ISIS target was hit with another variant of Fateh-10 missile. Kurdistan was hit with Khalij missile

 

[hussainb72]

Guys, we have already gone off topic in this thread, let's stop replying to him, he doesnt want to understand simple stuff.
Let's get back to the topic.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Khalij Fars is not a ballistic missile. It is similar to styx missile and has seeker. It is liquid fuel and needs refueling including oxygen as it not Ramjet and does not travel in ballistic trajectory. It also travels at about 3Mach, as fast as Brahmos whereas Ballistic missile travels in excess of 7 Mach.

I have always said that is has Styx type EO guided precision anti ship missile and you are simply proving my point

Does we produced a new version of Persian Gulf missile that I'm not aware of ?

 

[denel]

They have nukes but not from Pakistan, they purchased it with US approval and you may know they country?

They wanted Ghauri and Shaheen missiles from Gen Musharaf but Gen refused it so they purchased few intermediate ballistic missile from China.

no - they bought long before from China.

 

[Sina-1]

This guy is but hurt because he is comparing 1000 million India with 80 million Iran and cannot comprehend why Iran is so advanced. In order to dampen his inferiority complex he is resorting in belittling Iranian achievements. None of his arguments hold water and he is apparently tech illiterate.

I also agree that best way is to just completely ignore him. Don’t engage him.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The correct term is "quasi-ballistic missile". This is because the missile can maneuver. I am talking of the version of Khalij which was used to strike ISIS targets. It was observed to have maximum speed of 3Mach then.

First we didn't use Khalij Fars to strike Isis.
Secondly mach 3 speed you are talking about is reentry speed the flight speed is mach 7. Like every other ballistic missile in reentry phase the friction with air will reduce the speed of the missile.

The missile is launched at about 0:39 and by 0:45 it starts changing trajectory to become more flat. This is how cruise missiles are fired. Ballistic missiles go straight upwards and don't change direction in just 5-6 seconds of launch.

Are you aware a cruise missile is powered in all its path while a ballistic missile is only powered. In its first 1-2 min of flight.

missile but with solid fuel and ability to maneuver for homing on to target. As a result, these quasi ballistic missiles travel at lower speeds to enable maneuvering and have long powered flight. Ballistic missiles only have initial powered flight for short duration and stops its engine and dumps all its missile stages except warheads in the first half of the parabolic trajectory.

Wrong wrong wrong.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

This guy is but hurt because he is comparing 1000 million India with 80 million Iran and cannot comprehend why Iran is so advanced. In order to dampen his inferiority complex he is resorting in belittling Iranian achievements. None of his arguments hold water and he is apparently tech illiterate.

I also agree that best way is to just completely ignore him. Don’t engage him.

When did i compare India with Iran? Don't doesn't fake news. I only have examples of systems to show how they work. I never compared Iran with India is any manner. Giving examples is just a way of explaining.

I am not impressed with Iranian development and its exaggeration of claims of capability. Iran doesn't have good and accurate missile, doesn't have semiconductor, doesn't have fighter jets but makes big claims of possessing these. So I am compelled to expose these claims.

Are you aware a cruise missile is powered in all its path while a ballistic missile is only powered. In its first 1-2 min of flight.

Tell me, how will Khalij home in on the target using seeker if it has no powered flight at the end stage? That is my point

First we didn't use Khalij Fars to strike Isis.
Secondly mach 3 speed you are talking about is reentry speed the flight speed is mach 7. Like every other ballistic missile in reentry phase the friction with air will reduce the speed of the missile.

Khalij Fars doesn't leave the atmosphere and hence i don't see how it travels at 7 Mach. Such high speed is unsustainable in atmosphere due to high air drag

 

[Sina-1]

When did i compare India with Iran? Don't doesn't fake news. I only have examples of systems to show how they work. I never compared Iran with India is any manner. Giving examples is just a way of explaining.

I am not impressed with Iranian development and its exaggeration of claims of capability. Iran doesn't have good and accurate missile, doesn't have semiconductor, doesn't have fighter jets but makes big claims of possessing these. So I am compelled to expose these claims.


Tell me, how will Khalij home in on the target using seeker if it has no powered flight at the end stage? That is my point


Khalij Fars doesn't leave the atmosphere and hence i don't see how it travels at 7 Mach. Such high speed is unsustainable in atmosphere due to high air drag

Your inferiority complex is misplaced my friend. You don’t need to be jealous. Your but hurt doesn’t change the fact that Iran has proven to have top 3 best ballistic missiles in the world.

Such high speed is unsustainable in atmosphere due to high air drag

Oh my god! You are really stupid!

 

[hussainb72]

@Serpentine I am not sure if this thing is really worth reporting or not, but @Smarana Mitra has gone off topic on this thread and keeps saying nonsense, and I think that this is some sort of a troll behaviour. Can you plz deal with him if you think its necessary.
Thanks in advance.

 

[925boy]

Hey, guys, there is somethings to piece together with regards to the Saudi prince's recent statement.

This Saudi prince JUST became the oil minister of Saudi Arabia, so in that context, i'm seeing him irresponsible and unrealistic but violent comment towards Iran as a sort of bluff. KSA wants to launch the Saudi Aramco IPO soon and apparently they need higher oil prices to launch it as best/high priced as possible, so i believe he made this comment to raise oil prices by raising(falsely) tensions between KSA and Iran. All im saying is this is the current oil minister of Saudi Arabia and he will oversee the Aramco IPO listing. His comment here is related to this.

 

[Sehnsucht]

What if they are the enemy of Islam ....

In case they're the enemies of Islam, then we must fight them as well.

 

[hussainb72]

In case they're the enemies of Islam, then we must fight them as well.

Is someone who builds a disco and calls it a halal disco a true defender of Islam?

 

[Sehnsucht]

Is someone who builds a disco and calls it a halal disco a true defender of Islam?

Of course not.