Saudi FM visiting Pakistan on Thursday, sources claim

[k s ahmed]

So what happened. He must have arrived today

 

[Dubious]

Developing a desert is easier than getting an education and developing the mind. Also it was foreign companies that did the developing. The arabs did not even supply labour. I guess some will see progress now they are in bed with israel which will make them develop further.

I think you either act dumb or seriously are!

You need a vision to develop a desert otherwise like Thar with labour you can cry for generations and achieve nothing!

And your last sentence is nothing but a cheap jibe as you always enjoy throwing around!

@waz @WebMaster was that last sentence necessary? You listen to all his cries when he is warned, please also note how he acts when he isnt whining!

You are to harsh on Pakistan

If I am not going to set standards who is?
Stop trying to think others will give 2 hoots about my nation! It is my people and I need to guide them and set them right, no wahyu is gonna come

Put KSA through what Pakistan has faced in last 2 decades, with a 10 times bigger enemy with nukes who hates your existence, they are also bound to do mistakes and have financial and social issues with some constraints . At least pretend to be a good Pakistani and support your country .

You can pretend all you want, I dont pretend!

Our society has a keera! It is simple....NEVER point out a cat, just close you eyes like a dove and the cat will disappear!

No, life isnt like that! Open your eyes and know that there is a cat and make your plan!

Can YOU deny that 2 families with 2-3 generations looted Pakistan (not including lawyers, tv anchors, doctors, professors, judges, politicians and army)...SO much that they have eaten Pakistan for 2-3 generations....

THAT alone answers your PRETENSE that we had nothing!

We had and have everything just lack sincerity! And that is what I pointed out for KSA...if you need to burn about the truth, what can we do about it? It will still remain as the truth! Deal with it!

As for our neighbour, Dont you think USA has Mexico as its neighbour? Yet it progressed....
Japan has China as its neighbour, it still progressed.
South Korea has North Korea as its neighbout, but they sacrificed their today for a tomorrow...something MY forefathers did when they left india...However, today's generation doesnt even know what sacrifice means! They are just enjoying the success of our forefathers instead of standing on their own feet!

THIS lazy attitude is also in Arabs. Their next generation is doomed but so is ours! SO instead of looking at others and enjoying other's misery! Try looking at your own and doing something about it instead of only feeling good by pointing out other people's sore points!

KSA entire achievement can be put over the USA Army protecting the holy land and its oil . Give us that protection and Pakistan will become of the strongest Economies in the world .

You want America to pull you around like a puppet? Well isnt that what Zia did? Isnt that how Zardari sold Pakistan and Shariffs also? SO what are you missing?

EACH took money from America, not 10 cents but in billions....When you grow a pair to question where that went then come talk! Till then keep pointing at others and getting jealous or failing to see that they put their billions somewhere while ours went to Swiss bank accounts of few families!

 

[StormBreaker]

I think you either act dumb or seriously are!

You need a vision to develop a desert otherwise like Thar with labour you can cry for generations and achieve nothing!

And your last sentence is nothing but a cheap jibe as you always enjoy throwing around!

@waz @WebMaster was that last sentence necessary? You listen to all his cries when he is warned, please also note how he acts when he isnt whining!


If I am not going to set standards who is?
Stop trying to think others will give 2 hoots about my nation! It is my people and I need to guide them and set them right, no wahyu is gonna come


You can pretend all you want, I dont pretend!

Our society has a keera! It is simple....NEVER point out a cat, just close you eyes like a dove and the cat will disappear!

No, life isnt like that! Open your eyes and know that there is a cat and make your plan!

Can YOU deny that 2 families with 2-3 generations looted Pakistan (not including lawyers, tv anchors, doctors, professors, judges, politicians and army)...SO much that they have eaten Pakistan for 2-3 generations....

THAT alone answers your PRETENSE that we had nothing!

We had and have everything just lack sincerity! And that is what I pointed out for KSA...if you need to burn about the truth, what can we do about it? It will still remain as the truth! Deal with it!

As for our neighbour, Dont you think USA has Mexico as its neighbour? Yet it progressed....
Japan has China as its neighbour, it still progressed.
South Korea has North Korea as its neighbout, but they sacrificed their today for a tomorrow...something MY forefathers did when they left india...However, today's generation doesnt even know what sacrifice means! They are just enjoying the success of our forefathers instead of standing on their own feet!

THIS lazy attitude is also in Arabs. Their next generation is doomed but so is ours! SO instead of looking at others and enjoying other's misery! Try looking at your own and doing something about it instead of only feeling good by pointing out other people's sore points!


You want America to pull you around like a puppet? Well isnt that what Zia did? Isnt that how Zardari sold Pakistan and Shariffs also? SO what are you missing?

EACH took money from America, not 10 cents but in billions....When you grow a pair to question where that went then come talk! Till then keep pointing at others and getting jealous or failing to see that they put their billions somewhere while ours went to Swiss bank accounts of few families!

If i had the ability to give a + rating, i would have, you didn’t raise one but multiple important points !!!

About the resources, the generations, loot, everything.

Just an example, remember that karachi was once an inspiration for today’s top cities

 

[Dubious]

You and me both knows they pay to develop. I'll be happy if their own citizen do the job. One of my friend's brother is engineer in one of the subway project which I believe is in Riyadh city, entire team is from outside, the subway is made in France and the labor is from south asia.

They have money they have this they...they they...

We have labour..tell me how many jobless will come to help if they are paid less? When greed overseas sacrifice, nothing can help such a nation! I would love to give the example of Japan - just 1-2 generation ago, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea- Just 1 generation ago, they were worse than Pakistan!

Japan has no oil! No natural resources even! Their own people worked for pennies just so that their country and next generation can live in comfort..which they are!

Same with South Korea, Malaysia and Singapore!

TELL ME, how many of today's generation of Pakistani would work for pennies for a better tomorrow?

We just keep whining, comparing and getting jealous (or saying but they have that) instead of ACTUALLY doing something for the nation!

They paid for it. They haven't developed their country by doing hard labor. They have money literally coming out of holes in the desert.

So?

I dont understand why people think that money is such a big thing?!

If you have money and no labour, you employ! It is common sense!

If you have labour and no money, you still get work done! But you need sincerity and far farsightedness to understand a future!

If i had the ability to give a + rating, i would have, you didn’t raise one but multiple important points !!!

About the resources, the generations, loot, everything.

Just an example, remember that karachi was once an inspiration for today’s top cities

Thank you, now I need to drill this into people's head!

 

[StormBreaker]

You and me both knows they pay to develop. I'll be happy if their own citizen do the job. One of my friend's brother is engineer in one of the subway project which I believe is in Riyadh city, entire team is from outside, the subway is made in France and the labor is from south asia.

Turkey and Malaysia know the arabs well.
Easops fable 'arabs are a careful of mischief'
How true


Developing a desert is easier than getting an education and developing the mind. Also it was foreign companies that did the developing. The arabs did not even supply labour. I guess some will see progress now they are in bed with israel which will make them develop further.

Didn’t expect such miscalculated statements from you guys !!!

Arabs did what anyone with money but no local expertise could do, hire foreign manpower as well as planners to do the job.

Their power was huge amount of money.

It is all about determination and vision.

Pakistan, if not plagued by bhutto, would have been even better than what they are currently. But we have slave mindset to bootlick anyone who claims to be a leader instead of kicking “airay-ghairays” out of the competition.

Let me give you the best example to make it simple. Why did Pakistan buy F-16 ?
Because we simply didn’t have skilled and experienced man power to design and manufacture for ourselves despite having money at that time.

So we used the power of dollars to buy the best. USA had to do the work and we had to just use and fulfill our needs.

Can you construct your house alone ? Nope.
Not even if you know how to coz you need help, so you contract builders for that purpose.

We just keep whining, comparing and getting jealous (or saying but they have that) instead of ACTUALLY doing something for the nation!
L

Ufff ufff,
Don’t tell me that you are copying my posts ?

Because i mentioned this same thing earlier somewhere. Follow junaid akram, i agree/disagree with him but mostly he is just obsessed with the pitiful habits of our people.
JEALOUSY !!!

 

[YeBeWarned]

If I am not going to set standards who is?
Stop trying to think others will give 2 hoots about my nation! It is my people and I need to guide them and set them right, no wahyu is gonna come

That is whole point do not set standard , you can't say Pakistan did something wrong only to compare it with KSA or any GCC country i think its not fair with Pakistan, rest you are entitled to your opinion .

Our society has a keera! It is simple....NEVER point out a cat, just close you eyes like a dove and the cat will disappear!

Why do you think this Keera is ? have you ever thought of it ? we use politics , we were given a wrong sense of nationality, we'd to fight for world while them not come to our aid ?

Can YOU deny that 2 families with 2-3 generations looted Pakistan (not including lawyers, tv anchors, doctors, professors, judges, politicians and army)...SO much that they have eaten Pakistan for 2-3 generations....

Who deny it ? everyone knows they eaten Pakistan like a nice Caramel cake. but you can not undermine the Geopolitics of this region , After 9/11 Afghanistan was under attack but it was Pakistan that took the hit ..

We had and have everything just lack sincerity! And that is what I pointed out for KSA...if you need to burn about the truth, what can we do about it? It will still remain as the truth! Deal with it!

Sincerity is not in your DNA so .... Pakistani's cant be sincere cause half the country is fighting the other half over various stuff . Pakistan needs strong nationalism and narrative , Pakistan first rest comes later .

As for our neighbour, Dont you think USA has Mexico as its neighbour? Yet it progressed....
Japan has China as its neighbour, it still progressed.
South Korea has North Korea as its neighbout, but they sacrificed their today for a tomorrow...something MY forefathers did when they left india...However, today's generation doesnt even know what sacrifice means! They are just enjoying the success of our forefathers instead of standing on their own feet!

Have you noticed our neighbors lately ? let me take you for a ride in Pakistan's backyard .
1) India, who hate your existence, and see you as a mistake , we fought 4 wars and still are at each other's throat .
2) Afghanistan, Only country that did not recognize you in UN , who calls you Punjabistan etc .
3) Iran, somewhat friendly but predominantly Shia, against the dominant Sunni Population of Pakistan .
4) China, we have better relationship with them than America has with Mexico , but from the looks of Propaganda on PDF i don't think this relationship will last long .

Mexico is not a hostile country to America, in face Mexico is to America what Afghanistan is to Pakistan .but Mexico is at least not a hostile nation and see America as their enemy .

THIS lazy attitude is also in Arabs. Their next generation is doomed but so is ours! SO instead of looking at others and enjoying other's misery! Try looking at your own and doing something about it instead of only feeling good by pointing out other people's sore points!

No, our next Generation is the key to change . Yes but from the looks of anti national , Go back to India , Muhajir , Bihari I do think that most of our cream and educated class will leave this country . But I wont lose hope, I still believe that young students specially women they are our future and will save Pakistan .

 

[Mentee]

They have money they have this they...they they...

We have labour..tell me how many jobless will come to help if they are paid less? When greed overseas sacrifice, nothing can help such a nation! I would love to give the example of Japan - just 1-2 generation ago, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea- Just 1 generation ago, they were worse than Pakistan!

Japan has no oil! No natural resources even! Their own people worked for pennies just so that their country and next generation can live in comfort..which they are!

Same with South Korea, Malaysia and Singapore!

TELL ME, how many of today's generation of Pakistani would work for pennies for a better tomorrow?

We just keep whining, comparing and getting jealous (or saying but they have that) instead of ACTUALLY doing something for the nation!


So?

I dont understand why people think that money is such a big thing?!

If you have money and no labour, you employ! It is common sense!

If you have labour and no money, you still get work done! But you need sincerity and far farsightedness to understand a future!


Thank you, now I need to drill this into people's head!

You shan't bad mouth Pakistanis on every gulf VS Pakistan thread.

 

[Dubious]

You shan't bad mouth Pakistanis on every gulf VS Pakistan thread.

How else do you explain where we are now?

 

[Mentee]

How else do you explain where we are now?

Every nation has her shortcomings but you as a mod has developed this habit of looking down upon my green fellows even going over the board.

Mind you it's a Pakistani forum and iam a LOCAL

 

[StormBreaker]

How else do you explain where we are now?

I will write a long case study someday, to cover all these historical issues and where we are standing today, to explain where Pakistan went wrong

 

[GumNaam]

What for? Do more demands?

Pakistan should tell him to kick out Bharti from ksa and replace with Pakistani workers also grant oil for free for 1 year period. And then we can talk.

For damage control. Imran Khan may have succumbed to their pressure on the Malaysia moot but General Bajwa's threat to pull out Pakistani forces, training and intelligence sent shivers down the saudi spines. they won't last a month without us in front of the cia sponsored "arab spring" onslaught.

Told ya, they need us more than we need them...

 

[HttpError]

All this is because of our Ch**** awam does not want to pay their taxes and our Hara*i Politicians are hell-bent on destroying our country through corruption, nepotism, and other means. It is really hard to think of one institution in Pakistan which puts Pakistan first, before their own "Personal interests".

We are destined to be this unless we put our house in order and take some hard measures.

 

[StormBreaker]

All this is because of our Ch**** awam does not want to pay their taxes and our Hara*i Politicians are hell-bent on destroying our country through corruption, nepotism, and other means. It is really hard to think of one institution in Pakistan which puts Pakistan first, before their own "Personal interests".

We are destined to be this unless we put our house in order and take some hard measures.

Introducing smaller provinces will really help curb nepotism and many other core issues. This should have been done very earlier

For damage control. Imran Khan may have succumbed to their pressure on the Malaysia moot but General Bajwa's threat to pull out Pakistani forces, training and intelligence sent shivers down the saudi spines. they won't last a month without us in front of the cia sponsored "arab spring" onslaught.

Told ya, they need us more than we need them...

What are you trying to say ? Except for the haramain guards and intelligence assistance, we aren’t giving them anything else

 

[Mentee]

All this is because of our Ch**** awam does not want to pay their taxes and our Hara*i Politicians are hell-bent on destroying our country through corruption, nepotism, and other means. It is really hard to think of one institution in Pakistan which puts Pakistan first, before their own "Personal interests".

We are destined to be this unless we put our house in order and take some hard measures.

Why the crap we should be paying taxes when the size and volume of our babus and ministers privileges gets quadrupled every hour?

 

[StormBreaker]

Why the crap we should be paying taxes when the size and volume of our babus and ministers privileges gets quadruple every hour?

Sad truely, not until the bureaucracy is dealt with, all this heavy taxation and imf bailout won’t bore fruits