Saudi fighter Jet shot down over Yemen by Huothi Air defence force.

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Yemen resistance Ansarullah target Islamic NATO alliance F15 مقاومت یمن هدف قرار دادن جنگنده اف-۱۵

Yemen resistance Ansarullah target Islamic NATO alliance F15

'Saudi F-15 hit by Yemeni forces over Sana'a'
Yemeni forces say they have successfully targeted a Saudi F-15 fighter jet just hours after downing another Saudi warplane.

According to Yemen's Arabic-language al-Masirah television network on early Monday, the F-15 was hit while flying over the capital Sana'a.

On Sunday, Yemeni air defense forces announced that they had intercepted and shot down a twin-engine and multi-role Panavia Tornado combat aircraft belonging to the Saudi-led military alliance over Kitaf wa al-Boqe'e district in the country’s northwestern mountainous province of Sa’ada.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/01/08/548185/yemen-air-force-saudi-airstrike

 

[Ceylal]

Congratulations Great job Houthis... though I don't approve their missile attacks on KSA but shooting down an aggressive aircraft is the right thing to do...

I approve both...They were attacked, firing missiles at KSA is ok..What is good for the goose is good for the gander...kudos to the Houthis..

 

[Hack-Hook]

Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi (‘Abdrabbuh Manṣūr Hādī; Arabic: عبدربه منصور هادي‎ Yemeni pronunciation: [ˈʕæbdˈrɑb.bu mænˈsˤuːr ˈhæːdi]; born 1 September 1945) is a Yemeni politician and former Yemen Armed Forces field marshal. He has been the President of Yemen since 27 February 2012, and was Vice President from 1994 to 2012.[2]
Between 4 June and 23 September 2011, Hadi was the acting President of Yemen while Ali Abdullah Saleh was undergoing medical treatment in Saudi Arabia following an attack on the presidential palace during the 2011 Yemeni uprising.[3] On 23 November, he became Acting President again, after Saleh moved into a non-active role pending the presidential election "in return for immunity from prosecution". Hadi was "expected to form a national unity government and also call for early presidential elections within 90 days" while Saleh continued to serve as President in name only.[4] Mansour Hadi was chosen as a president for a two-year transitional period on February 21, 2012, in an election in which he was the only candidate. In January 2014 his mandate was extended for another year.[5] However, he remained in power after the expiration of his mandate.[6]
On 22 January 2015, Hadi was forced to resign by the Houthis. Subsequently, the Houthis and Saleh's supporters seized the presidential palace and placed him under house arrest. A month later, he escaped to his hometown of Aden, rescinded his resignation, and denounced the Houthi takeover as an unconstitutional coup d'état. The Houthis named a Revolutionary Committee to assume the powers of the presidency, as well as the General People's Congress, Hadi's own political party.[7] On 25 March 2015, after the beginning of the Yemeni Civil War, Hadi fled Yemen in a boat as Houthi forces advanced on Aden.[8] He arrived in Riyadh the next day, as Saudi Arabia began a bombing campaign in support of his government.[9] In September 2015, he returned to Aden as Saudi-backed government forces recaptured the city.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdrabbuh_Mansur_Hadi

Can anyone honestly expect elections during a civil war!?

as i said he failed to held an election for 3 years and began to extend his term and so people of Yemen decided not to wait for 30 years to oust him again ,they didn't want another Salih.

by the way if you read your link the civil war started in 25 march of 2015 , he was forced to resign in 22 of January 2015, he was supposed to held an election till February 21, 2014 more than one year before the start of Civil war or 11 month before he forced to resign.

and honestly if we are to point finger at each other and blame people for this useless and needless mess it never end . the only solution is to end the bombings and fight and let a group which is not associated with fighting forces held an election and let people of Yemen choose.

 

[The SC]

as i said he failed to held an election for 3 years and began to extend his term and so people of Yemen decided not to wait for 30 years to oust him again ,they didn't want another Salih.

by the way if you read your link the civil war started in 25 march of 2015 , he was forced to resign in 22 of January 2015, he was supposed to held an election till February 21, 2014 more than one year before the start of Civil war or 11 month before he forced to resign.

The problem my friend is that there was only Saleh (but not really..as he was still recovering from his wounds/burns) or the Houthis as alternatives to Hadi..saying that the Yemeni 28 million population wanted elections at that time on the verge of the civil war.. is a bit overstated.. what is two days before the start of hostilities..preparations on the field, intelligence reports, stated intentions and actions come much before any civil war by years count..

 

[Hack-Hook]

The problem my friend is that there was only Saleh (but not really..as he was still recovering from his wounds/burns) or the Houthis as alternatives to Hadi..saying that the Yemeni 28 million population wanted elections at that time on the verge of the civil war.. is a bit overstated.. what is two days before the start of hostilities..preparations on the field, intelligence reports, stated intentions and actions come much before any civil war by years count..

preparation take times but hadi was supposed to start preparation 3 years before he was forced out of office .
and why houthis must not take office if nobody is to be elected instead of them are they less Yemeni than the rest of the people of Yemen? or is their blood orange?

 

[The SC]

preparation take times but hadi was supposed to start preparation 3 years before he was forced out of office .
and why houthis must not take office if nobody is to be elected instead of them are they less Yemeni than the rest of the people of Yemen? or is their blood orange?

That is the problem.. there are none apart from Houthis and Hadi.. strange as it sounds.. and there should be others.. but political parties seem to be scarce or have no support from the population..it is like a monopoly there..

 

[Gomig-21]

It could have been a modified version of Neva/Pechora missile S-125

I don't think so. I looks like a MANPAD of some type.

It's pretty obvious by the size of the explosion (or lack thereof) that's it's a smaller missile from a MANPAD and not a SAM as it basically grazed the aircraft and hardly detonating whatsoever. The path of the F-15 didn't even show any sign of shifting it's course or being rattled by the impact at all. As a matter of fact, it looks like the missile itself broke up and shredded into pieces and nothing happened to the F-15.

The pilot probably got his missile approach warning, then cranks the throttle to full afterburner, releases flares, the missile grazes some part of the aircraft but doesn't seem to affect it whatsoever and missile doesn't even look like it's warhead exploded at all lol. Missile shreds into pieces and the F-15 continues without even the slightest shift in its vector. That's about as minimal of a hit that you can get.

I bet you that F-15 returned to base with minor damage.

Tornado fighter planes have been operational with RSAF for more than 30 years now

What's amazing about this jet along with the Su-24, F-14 Tomcat as well as a very few others is with the variable geometry wings, the pylons for fuel tanks and weapons stations rotate as well with the wing in order to stay facing forward. That adds so much more complex mechanisms to the VG technology in these types of aircraft.

is it a real f-15 shot down or a photoshoped image?

That's a still they used from the famous mid-air collision of a pair of Russian MiG-29s at IAT, Fairford in 1993.

 

[Mrc]

Never the less... using FLIR for detection is a nice innovation..... pak should look into it.... can be used in conduction to detect stealth

 

[Hack-Hook]

That is the problem.. there are none apart from Houthis and Hadi.. strange as it sounds.. and there should be others.. but political paries seem to be scarce or have no support from the population..it is like a monopoly there..

even if there are these two which i doubt (you held an election and you see there be a lot more) they must held an election and let people decide

 

[vizier]

FLIR on uavs like predator can detect humans from 5-7km altitude which is above manpad reach. Considering dual engine jet like F15 a ground based FLIR-E/O system can detect it about 10+km altitude. Just a rough assumption. Horizontal range is not much important for point defense and if you are not detected.

Also while looking at the sam designs of old Sa-3 GOA seems to have a very simple design with a booster, 4 moving parts and radio guidance which can be produced by many countries and optical guidance is a very basic yet moderately effective system that would complement manpads for high altitudes within short ranges. Hezbollah should invest on such systems to deter israeli incursions and attacks from Lebannese airspace supporting nusra/isis against Saa positions.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The pilot probably got his missile approach warning, then cranks the throttle to full afterburner, releases flares, the missile grazes some part of the aircraft but doesn't seem to affect it whatsoever and missile doesn't even look like it's warhead exploded at all lol. Missile shreds into pieces and the F-15 continues without even the slightest shift in its vector. That's about as minimal of a hit that you can get.

crank the throttle to full afterburner is one of the last thing you want to do , first its a jet engine and don't react that fast second it make your tail so hot that if the missile by chance is a heat seeker the chance of it go after the flares reduced dramatically .

 

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Yemen resistance Ansarullah target Islamic NATO alliance F15 مقاومت یمن هدف قرار دادن جنگنده اف-۱۵

Yemen resistance Ansarullah target Islamic NATO alliance F15

'Saudi F-15 hit by Yemeni forces over Sana'a'
Yemeni forces say they have successfully targeted a Saudi F-15 fighter jet just hours after downing another Saudi warplane.

According to Yemen's Arabic-language al-Masirah television network on early Monday, the F-15 was hit while flying over the capital Sana'a.

On Sunday, Yemeni air defense forces announced that they had intercepted and shot down a twin-engine and multi-role Panavia Tornado combat aircraft belonging to the Saudi-led military alliance over Kitaf wa al-Boqe'e district in the country’s northwestern mountainous province of Sa’ada.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/01/08/548185/yemen-air-force-saudi-airstrike

You know our Ottoman Grandads were absolutely correct at regarding Yemeni Arabs as among the best warriors in the Arab world. Absolute beast.

 

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[Gomig-21]

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I've been reading some of the Arabic forums on this and it does raise the question, whether the F-15 would get wracked like that and the answer is yes, of course, but it would also show signs of that wracking from the impact which would come in a from of some wobbling or yawing back and forth until it stabilizes itself, or even breaks up and goes out of control. The problem is that it doesn't do any of that. It only instantaneously wracks to the right and just stays there which is definitely bizarre.

crank the throttle to full afterburner is one of the last thing you want to do , first its a jet engine and don't react that fast second it make your tail so hot that if the missile by chance is a heat seeker the chance of it go after the flares reduced dramatically .

He has to punch it. What else is he going to do, maintain his current speed? The difference in the heat generated from the airspeed he was already at to going into full afterburner is not going to make that much of a difference, but the airspeed certainly will. I think the problem was that he needed to release his flares a bit sooner and change direction as well and it doesn't look like he did that. Usually you'll see these guys turn away while releasing their flares so that the missile follows the flares and not the aircraft, and also detonates further away from the aircraft, especially if it has a proximity fuse.

He was in a tough position anyway and I think it's much easier for us to criticize his actions from here.
Another thing to consider is why didn't he have support, and a way to jam any type of AD missiles in the area. F-15 should easily have that capability.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Usually you'll see these guys turn away while releasing their flares so that the missile follows the flares and not the aircraft, and also detonates further away from the aircraft, especially if it has a proximity fuse.

I believe thats the maneuver he must do in the situation , and Afterburner made a lot of change in heat signature
this is f15

this is f15 with afterburner

and before i forget jet engines wont answer instantaneously