Saudi defence minister in Pakistan

[RoadRunner401]

Its time for the 9 billion $ army to show how its done

No its not, not our war.

i don't think we should say no this time otherwise we would definitely lose the Arabs as an ally.

West and India get billions of dollars worth of investment, we get fcuk all, Please, feel free to tell me, why exactly should we get involved in someone else's unnecessary war.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

West and India get billions of dollars worth of investment, we get fcuk all, Please, feel free to tell me, why exactly should we get involved in someone else's unnecessary war.

We should not and we are not getting involved in someone else's war, we have a "DEFENSE" agreement with ksa and we should honor our agreements and commitments. We are not sending our forces to yemen. We should not have promised saudis this "territorial integrity" thing in the parliament if we didn't wish to fulfill it. And who's saying that we should do it for free? Ask them billions of dollars for that and cancel that agreement for future if we don't want to fulfill it. But if you make a commitment then fulfill it no matter what.

 

[f1000n]

Why don't the people on this forum who want to send troops go themselves and die if needed, or is it too late to grab the 'achievements' after ur death, you want others to die so you can grab it in their name.

 

[HAIDER]

pakistan and KSA are strategic partners just like iran is strategic partner of every anti KSA force but pakistan strategic partnership is for defence of both countries unlike yours.
my question to you is that what is your strategic interest in yemen and inside saudi arabia or shia majority areas of pakistan like hangu, parachinar and kurram? why are you involved there?


pakistani terrain in kashmir is the most difficult to invade. you need 1:20 soldiers atleast to take a single post there. kargil was a proof why india took so much time.

secondly india isn't fool to start a nuclear war.


saudi economy is suffering due to some country proxies in the region. saudis gave them jobs but what can they do when their enemies have tried to play hostile games at their backyards.
thousands are suffering but millions are still there and also in other GCC countries.

India is capable enough for limited conventional war. They already adopted this doctrine. Pakistan doesn't seem to have deep penetration strike strategy.

A commitment is a commitment. For it's own integrity until Pakistan can renege on this defence pact it should be honoured otherwise their word is meaningless in the world arena. You would hope to believe if they were involved they would be compensated massively for their efforts but knowing Pakistani Sunnis they love to offer the rear ends for free. In a best case scenario they can convince TTP & co to all relocate and fulfill their religious duty along with the Pakistani army in SA. It isn't a big loss as both have shown to be a liability to the nation.

It's truly amazing and peculiar how the world is looking to the Far-East while Pakistanis are peeking into their telescopes west-wards. Pakistanis are too busy interfering in the objectives of inferior countries who are revelling in their own faeces. Jinnahs' ambitions certainly wasn't to compete with Iran or Saudia Arabia.



What's your 'strategic interest' in Syria? It certainly wasn't saving the shrines. Ruqiaya's[r.a] shrine in Dariya can attest to that. Nonetheless this is how it's being propagated to these poor folks who don't have access to world/social media. Iran just doesn't represent 'Shias' and sadly this message gets lost on the deaf, dumb and blind while parents are continuing to lose children, siblings are losing brothers/sisters and wives are becoming widowed.



Pakistan's Establishment have never cared for Kashmir.

Pakistani and Afghan Shias lives are too valuable to die for these desert dwellers. It's depressing to see them give their own lives cheaply. Their countries have failed them and will continue to do so. History repeats itself and Jinnah was all to aware. Pakistani Sunnis will always drag them down, its embarrassing to see that Mexico, South Korea and Indonesia are above Pakistan let alone Iran and Saudia Arabia. Pakistan has gone to the dogs.

Pakistani/Afghan Shia best is to go to the West or an 'advanced' country where you can live in safety while being afforded the opportunity to better your lives. My community here in the U.K consist of Pakistani and Afghan[Hazara] Shias, the Afghans have only moved in the last 10-15 years so time will tell, but the Pakistani community have been here for a short while and after just one-two generations have become highly educated, affluent and integrated into life in the U.K.

Well....if shia migrate west this personal choice. But, hundreds of sunni been killed in Pakistan, due to wahabi factor. This factor of religious extremism is slowly dying down.

There won't be 100,000 soliders going up. Kashmir's border is self containing as neither India nor Pakistan can afford any major venture beyond border skrimishes. Western border has cooled down as the Zarb e azb is drawing to a close and Khyber X ops are now ended. But if the contribution is a whole brigade, that what neither Pakistan nor KSA afford. At most some ranger,SF units and some jets. That's the most what Pakistan can contribute, in case there is a dire need. But that also entails giving Iranians a shut up call and making them behave. There are rules of game and Iranians are probably pushing it too far because it doesn't entail Persian blood which Iranians seems to only care about.

One dead soldier of Pakistani army on Yemani border drag the whole country bad reputation to worst. During Gen Kiyani era Bahrain ask for army, he didn't gave them army , but sent retired soldiers to control the pro democracy protest. Now, what message world is getting from this action.......mercenaries.............Anyway Pakistan is providing training to KSA armed forces since last decades.

 

[Aramagedon]

Yemen will be graveyard of any invaders as it is graveyard of thug Saudis..

 

[SBD-3]

One dead soldier of Pakistani army on Yemani border drag the whole country bad reputation to worst. During Gen Kiyani era Bahrain ask for army, he didn't gave them army , but sent retired soldiers to control the pro democracy protest. Now, what message world is getting from this action.......mercenaries.............Anyway Pakistan is providing training to KSA armed forces since last decades.

Like what? Pakistanis wouldn't be chipping in like smuggled IRG officers but engaging rebels under international arrangements. Baharian's protests had fair share of motivation from Tehran. Tehran is also supporting similar democracies in Syria and Iraq that too using strangled hazara migrants. Probably you should start by protesting against your home country which is already providing "logistic support" to Suaids.

Yemen will be graveyard of any invaders as it is graveyard of thug Saudis..

Its turning out to be a graveyard of Yameni people for sure. Yamen is being ravaged by Hautis, ISIS and Saudis.

 

[Mamluk]

We are fighting Syrian war for our strategic interests !!!

What's your strategic interests in yemen?

None.

We can train Saudi soldiers for $$, and let them handle their own mess.

 

[TheTravla]

Well....if shia migrate west this personal choice. But, hundreds of sunni been killed in Pakistan, due to wahabi factor. This factor of religious extremism is slowly dying down.

Oh, please. Wahhabism is a branch of Sunnism, that's not in doubt, especially given how easy it's been for them to infiltrate Sunnis ranks and belief set. Sunni ideology has always supported terrorists since the dawn of Islam, let's not kid ourselves. Yet, somehow they're to be excused, save your spiel for someone else. My family didn't convert to Shia'ism just to be 'hip'. Pakistanis can't even have a discussion about this without censoring views or resorting to violence

Pakistani Sunnis will never change and will always be servile to the Arabs, that's their nature. There's no need for an Arab to have a dog when they can have Pakistani Sunni one in the form of a human. Pakistani Sunnis make great pets. I wish I could have one as I'm averse to dogs.

When the highest and most respected Shia figure[Ayatullah Najafi] is based in a shit hole like Iraq as a glorified book-keeper for his own safety then you know there is something fundamentally wrong with Pakistan and its treatment of Shias. Anyone who's met Najafi will tell you of his love for Pakistan. Here is a guy who should be an asset to the country and one the Pakistani state could use to their advantage, by helping to fund him to set up a Shia institution in Pakistan. This in-turn would help the Shia unite under one umbrella, he could be the spokesman for the community [while being monitored to make sure there's no anti-state activities]. It would also prevent any need for our Shias to go to seminary schools in Qom and Najaf where they're subjected to an alien culture, values and belief set, while stopping Shias being fodder for the Iranian regime.

Alas, this is not to be, if he was to come there in under five seconds he would be gunned down or be another statistic of a car bombing and go on to help confirm the ongoing Shia genocide in Pakistan. Shias migrating to the West or an 'advanced' country from Pakistan is a necessity born out of the establishment desire to play a 'double game' with various nefarious groups who's sole goal is to exterminate Shias.

Pakistani Shia clerics and worldly scholars have always been Pro-Pakistan since it's inception. If Pakistan was Shia it would not find itself in the predicament it finds itself in. Since Pakistan can't provide the right conditions for them to thrive in it's best they move on.

 

[mdcp]

Iranian dogs are barking on this topic. Enemies of Pakistan and traitors

 

[TheTravla]

Iranian dogs are barking on this topic. Enemies of Pakistan and traitors

It's no consolation but at least the Iranian dog's family is alerted, he's compensated albeit poorly and is given a burial place when his time comes. The Arab dog dies penniless, his existence and whereabouts unknown while his body lays motionless on the roadside for the whole world to see.

 

[HAIDER]

Like what? Pakistanis wouldn't be chipping in like smuggled IRG officers but engaging rebels under international arrangements. Baharian's protests had fair share of motivation from Tehran. Tehran is also supporting similar democracies in Syria and Iraq that too using strangled hazara migrants. Probably you should start by protesting against your home country which is already providing "logistic support" to Suaids.


Its turning out to be a graveyard of Yameni people for sure. Yamen is being ravaged by Hautis, ISIS and Saudis.

Being Pakistani we have no business in Bahrain. Remember right now supporting a monarch will bring huge backlash once these majority will come in power. Democracy is written on the wall of Arab land. Its just a matter of time. Our people hasn't learn anything from Afghan war , few countries of the world labeling Pakistan for supporting terrorism. Gen Raheel is wise enough and understand the consequences of jumping in others war. We Pakistani are so emotional. Neither worry about Arab nor Iran...protect your own interest. Never be slave of short time gains.

Oh, please. Wahhabism is a branch of Sunnism, that's not in doubt, especially given how easy it's been for them to infiltrate Sunnis ranks and belief set. Sunni ideology has always supported terrorists since the dawn of Islam, let's not kid ourselves. Yet, somehow they're to be excused, save your spiel for someone else. My family didn't convert to Shia'ism just to be 'hip'. Pakistanis can't even have a discussion about this without censoring views or resorting to violence

Pakistani Sunnis will never change and will always be servile to the Arabs, that's their nature. There's no need for an Arab to have a dog when they can have Pakistani Sunni one in the form of a human. Pakistani Sunnis make great pets. I wish I could have one as I'm averse to dogs.

When the highest and most respected Shia figure[Ayatullah Najafi] is based in a shit hole like Iraq as a glorified book-keeper for his own safety then you know there is something fundamentally wrong with Pakistan and its treatment of Shias. Anyone who's met Najafi will tell you of his love for Pakistan. Here is a guy who should be an asset to the country and one the Pakistani state could use to their advantage, by helping to fund him to set up a Shia institution in Pakistan. This in-turn would help the Shia unite under one umbrella, he could be the spokesman for the community [while being monitored to make sure there's no anti-state activities]. It would also prevent any need for our Shias to go to seminary schools in Qom and Najaf where they're subjected to an alien culture, values and belief set, while stopping Shias being fodder for the Iranian regime.

Alas, this is not to be, if he was to come there in under five seconds he would be gunned down or be another statistic of a car bombing and go on to help confirm the ongoing Shia genocide in Pakistan. Shias migrating to the West or an 'advanced' country from Pakistan is a necessity born out of the establishment desire to play a 'double game' with various nefarious groups who's sole goal is to exterminate Shias.

Pakistani Shia clerics and worldly scholars have always been Pro-Pakistan since it's inception. If Pakistan was Shia it would not find itself in the predicament it finds itself in. Since Pakistan can't provide the right conditions for them to thrive in it's best they move on.

I respect your opinion. But Pakistan is my mother, it gave me so much and can't leave alone and handover to some religious lunatics.....there are thousands like me...face the reality , I know a good life and secure future outside Pakistan. But, who will think of millions of Pakistani who has no future and victim of greedy politicians, who sacrifice the national interest for short gains.....

Iranian dogs are barking on this topic. Enemies of Pakistan and traitors

Please respect everyone in this forum. No name calling please.

None.

We can train Saudi soldiers for $$, and let them handle their own mess.

Pakistan been training them for more then 10 years.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

For it's own integrity until Pakistan can renege on this defence pact it should be honoured otherwise their word is meaningless in the world arena.

We should not and we are not getting involved in someone else's war, we have a "DEFENSE" agreement with ksa and we should honor our agreements and commitments. We are not sending our forces to yemen. We should not have promised saudis this "territorial integrity" thing in the parliament if we didn't wish to fulfill it.

Are the Saudis going to invoke the defense pact because they lost 15km of barren land that borders Yemen? It's one thing for the House of Saud to rally the "Ummah" for defense against a 300,000 Iranian Normandy landing, but quite another for it to demand Brigades of Pakistani soldiers or Battalions of SSG against guerrilla forces.

"Territorial Integrity" doesn't mean going out on offense but once the winds of war change you go hide in Riyadh and demand someone come to defend your borders.

Like what? Pakistanis wouldn't be chipping in like smuggled IRG officers but engaging rebels under international arrangements. Baharian's protests had fair share of motivation from Tehran. Tehran is also supporting similar democracies in Syria and Iraq that too using strangled hazara migrants. Probably you should start by protesting against your home country which is already providing "logistic support" to Suaids.

The Bahrain Protests were also peaceful. Demands were for greater voice, human rights. jobs for Shia. This was all local Bahraini, not Iranian backed. The only difference between the Bahrain Protests and Syria, is weaponry didn't get to the Bahrainis.

The amount of "support" the Bahraini people got from Iran is nothing compared to the support given to the Syrian Civil War.

An independent report itself spit on claims Iran provided support.

 

[airmarshal]

I really don't care. If Saudis pay good money, Bomb the shit out of Yemen and Syria. Pakistan got bigger fish to fry. Pakistani defence and economy both need serious money.

They spend $80 billion on their joke army. Tell them, give us $80 billion for next few years and clean the rubble from Syria and Yemen yourself after Pakistan bomb the shit out of these places.

We have had enough fighting others war for money. We have got nothing but humiliation in return. We fought America's war in Afghanistan twice. we got billions of dollars. What have we got to show for those dollars? We have become a beggar state with no dignity and self respect with economy tanking and looters and thieves as our leaders. We need to learn to become a nation first.

We should never bomb Syria or Yemen. both countries are not enemies to us and have never intended to harm us.

 

[SBD-3]

The Bahrain Protests were also peaceful. Demands were for greater voice, human rights. jobs for Shia. This was all local Bahraini, not Iranian backed. The only difference between the Bahrain Protests and Syria, is weaponry didn't get to the Bahrainis.

The amount of "support" the Bahraini people got from Iran is nothing compared to the support given to the Syrian Civil War.

An independent report itself spit on claims Iran provided support.

Look its dirty politics, Syrian protesters were also peaceful, no regime wants to go home easy. Indeed had the weaponry being supplied to Baharinis like Hautis, Baharinis would have also revolted with fire only sparking another sectarian war. But who would lose most? It would have been Bahrini themselves. Tehran would just still quite and keep similing on how they used their ideological cannon fodder against the Bedoins. Good thing for Bahrinis was that they never got their hands on the holy arms of revolution coming from Tehran and the conflict was quickly resolved. The only support everybody has been getting from Tehran is the arms and mercenaries. Like I said, Iranians have been little too smart for rich and stupid badoens to handle and now Bedoens run crying all around.

Being Pakistani we have no business in Bahrain. Remember right now supporting a monarch will bring huge backlash once these majority will come in power. Democracy is written on the wall of Arab land. Its just a matter of time. Our people hasn't learn anything from Afghan war , few countries of the world labeling Pakistan for supporting terrorism. Gen Raheel is wise enough and understand the consequences of jumping in others war. We Pakistani are so emotional. Neither worry about Arab nor Iran...protect your own interest. Never be slave of short time gains.

Its not democracy, its theology or divide. Iraq and Syria are heading for a divide on ethnic lines, that's what militias, puppets of Baghdad and Damascus and Militias of Tehran are collectively sowing only to be reaped sooner than you thought.

Pakistan is labeled as a terrorist for using non-state actors. Until Pakistan was in collaboration with US, everyone was calling it a Jihaad. General Raheel and every sane Pakistani knows that Iran's ambitions would only be capped by a tight slap either militarily or diplomatically. Iran's allowing India to use its soil against Pakistan says a lot about how neutral are the Mullah's of Tehran when it comes to Iran-Pakistan relationships. Probably if Iran wants democracy for others, it should first get rid of Mullahs in the corridors of power and set an example.

We have had enough fighting others war for money. We have got nothing but humiliation in return. We fought America's war in Afghanistan twice. we got billions of dollars. What have we got to show for those dollars? We have become a beggar state with no dignity and self respect with economy tanking and looters and thieves as our leaders. We need to learn to become a nation first.

We should never bomb Syria or Yemen. both countries are not enemies to us and have never intended to harm us.

Those F-16s, Those Cobras,PGBs,Harpoons,C-130s and most of the shashkas the military has been building up against India. Who funded these toys? it was CSF/FMS/Peacegate etc etc probably if you're so high on esteem, burn them.

 

[araz]

No its not, not our war.



West and India get billions of dollars worth of investment, we get fcuk all, Please, feel free to tell me, why exactly should we get involved in someone else's unnecessary war.

We need to stay neutral but at the same time abide by that which we have agreed to do. Integrity of Saudi soil and its protection has been a point over which the Saudi monarchy has Pakistani forces' unflinching support. However PA should not be used for aggressive designs by the monarchy.
As to India getting Billions and you getting FCUK all, you got plenty of opportunities and spoilt them with petty thieving. You therefore lost all respect in the Kingdom and they felt their investment was not safe. If Pakistan and its business community had half a pea sized bit of honesty there would have been Saudi money and UAE money flooding in to Pakistan and you would have achieved your desire of a couple of trillion dollars economy, while developing yourself. You have no one to blame but yourselves for the fiasco.
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