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Saudi Arabia's missile base 'with launch pads aimed at Israel and Iran'

Actually that's not precise sir, Saudi has no need for submarines, they are exposed to two seas, the Arabian Gulf and the Red Sea, .
yet again good learning for me but I based my point on what Mosab told us some time ago that Israelis start getting jittery if KSA tres getting submarines.
 
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I think that barring the Americans no one else has the Anti-Ballistic-Missile Capability right now to take out top-end Ballistic Missiles fired at them !

Taking out a '50s or '60s era Scud or one of its evolution is one thing - Taking out a modern-day Ballistic Missile would be quite different.

I'm not sure that the Chinese or the Russians would be able to stop most of the Ballistic Missiles fired at them by each other & most certainly not if its the Americans; I'd imagine even the Americans would have a hard time intercepting most of them were they to be fired at them ! The Israelis are undoubtedly good but they're not there yet.

Am I wrong in that assessment @Oscar ?

Nothing is absolute, but having top-notch anti missile defense systems is definitely better than nothing.
 
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yet again good learning for me but I based my point on what Mosab told us some time ago that Israelis start getting jittery if KSA tres getting submarines.

Getting Submarines is a plus if operated in the Red sea, for sure, but they are in no need for them against Iran is which the main threat. I mean, the need for them is not urgent.
 
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Its not theirs.. its the Chinese and us.

Wikiliks

The U.S. made a formal request for
more information on Ukraineâs planned transfer of MTCR Category I items
to Saudi Arabia to allow for robust bilateral




The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.


Missile Technology Control Regime


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S) Boris Atamanenko, National Space Agency of Ukraine, stated that Ukraine had transferred MTCR Category I items to the U.S., Russia, Germany,


and Saudi Arabia,


and Category II
items to the U.S., Russia, Saudi Arabia,
the Republic of Korea, China, and India during the past year. In
accordance with its MTCR commitments, he noted that Ukraine had informed
MTCR Partners in April 2009 (POC Document 86) of the intended Category I
transfer to Saudi Arabia, and none of the Partners had objected or made
an official request for further information. Van Diepen attempted to
confirm that Ukraine had actually transferred Category I items to Saudi
Arabia., not just notified its intention to transfer, but Atamanenko’s
response created

confusion on this point


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Category I items


Category II items

China Sold Nuclear Missiles to Saudi Arabia, Ex-CIA Officer Claims

Tuesday, June 8, 2010

An ex-CIA analyst who oversaw intelligence dispatches on Saudi Arabia has asserted in a new self-published book that China provided the Middle Eastern nation with nuclear-capable ballistic missiles during the early years of the Bush administration, the Washington Post reported yesterday (see GSN, Aug. 24, 2009).

"I believe the People’s Republic of China delivered a turn-key nuclear ballistic missile system to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia over the course of several years beginning no later than December 2003," asserted Jonathan Scherck in his book "Patriot Lost," which has not been approved by the CIA.

Scherck concluded that Beijing was selling Riyadh nuclear missiles based on his year and half of reviewing intelligence dispatches from Saudi Arabia from 2005 to 2007, information on U.S. satellite photographs from these years, and conversations with other CIA personnel who were in touch with officials in former Vice President Dick Cheney's office.

He believed the Bush White House was keeping the nuclear deal secret in order to maintain ties with a key ally and major oil exporter, according to a press release: "This heavily shrouded deal and Washington’s shocking complicity constituted a flagrant violation of the long-standing but crippled Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty" (see GSN, June 1).

The book does not supply many concrete details to back up the nuclear assertion, according to the Post.

Copies of the book have been sent to Senate Select Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee ranking member Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.).

Scherck worked briefly as a CIA employee and then as contract staffer at the agency. He wrote that his job as a go-between for field agents collecting human intelligence and officials with the National Security Council gave him uncommon access "to what was being said overseas at the time about Saudi Arabia’s procurement of a new ballistic missile system from China."

"I read things, I heard things, I saw things," Scherck wrote. "Admittedly, I did not see all -- but I saw enough."

In past years, there has been a regular stream of reports claiming covert cooperative nuclear and missile activities between China, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (Jeff Stein, Washington Post, June 7).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2530701/posts
 
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New Insights On Saudi Arabia’s Strategic Rocket Forces Revealed In Exposé On Kingdom’s Covert Transition from Aging Chinese CSS-2 Missile Arsenal to New Mobile CSS-5 Nuclear Capability

PATRIOT LOST Author Accuses Former Vice President Dick Cheney of High Crime and George Tenet’s CIA Management of Criminal Misconduct In Handling of Saudi Intelligence

Los Angeles, California, June 17, 2010 – PATRIOT LOST, by Jonathan Scherck, uncovers former Vice President Dick Cheney’s decision to turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia’s acquisition of nuclear capable CSS-5 medium range ballistic missiles from the People’s Republic of China during the George W. Bush administration.

The book also implicates former Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet and senior agency veteran Charles Allen in a cover-up of U.S. satellite imagery in late-2003, imagery that provided initial warning of Riyadh’s oil-for-nuclear weapons deal with Beijing.
U.S. complicity in such a drastic change in the balance of power in the Middle East is problematic for Washington in 2010.

President Barack Obama has sought to engage Beijing at the tactical level on the problem of nuclear terrorism while at the same time opting to maintain the Bush era strategy of non-intervention in China’s state-to-state nuclear proliferation practices.

“President Obama’s Nuclear Security Conference held in Washington in April 2010, focusing on the need to keep nuclear materiel out of the hands of international terrorists, was without question a step in the right direction. But such tactical level efforts will only go so far in reigning in the spread of nuclear weapons throughout the world.” – from PATRIOT LOST

Scherck’s account was written from his perspective as a Collection Management Officer working in CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Division and is based on direct knowledge of previously undisclosed U.S. satellite imagery analysis of shipments originating from China to Saudi Arabia’s Jeddah Islamic Seaport. In this role, Scherck was also privy to interactions with Cheney’s Office of the Vice President specifically on the Saudi nuclear issue.

“…I think we can all agree looking back now that the act in question—this misguided contempt for speaking truth to power, as it were—was less a classified matter than simply a criminal one.

Likewise, as to the liberties I have knowingly taken herein in discussing otherwise classified imagery analysis, I am no less convinced. The events

captured by U.S. spy satellites flying high above the Arabian Peninsula can hardly be considered in their proper context as an American state secret. Surely, those many illicit Chinese shipments into Saudi Arabia pose far less a threat to America’s national security than to the people of the Middle East.” – from PATRIOT LOST

According to the book, Scherck was frequently at odds with analysts working in the CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence who were skeptical at the time of Riyadh’s interest in upgrading to the CSS-5, even amidst overwhelming imagery analysis published by the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency. Saudi Arabia acquired a conventional missile capability (China’s CSS-2) in the 1980s as part of a deal brokered by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Riyadh has yet to officially acknowledge its Strategic Rocket Forces’ transition to the mobile CSS-5 delivery system.

PATRIOT LOST was first published earlier this month as an eBook, nearly 60 days after being submitted to the CIA’s Publication Review Board (PRB) for approval. Preliminary manuscript reviews typically take 30 days or less, according to the PRB. After receiving no response of any sort (beyond the initial confirmation of receipt), Scherck decided to make the book available to the public.

Source: Know Thyself Enterprises, LLC
Los Angeles, California
 
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The United States is angry: China actually sell missiles to Saudi Arabia’s most advanced


current relationship between China and Saudi Arabia, mainly in Beijing need to import energy, and the demand growing rapidly, but China’s long-term goal may be to replace the United States, which it has to protect the security of the Persian Gulf.

Beijing is rapidly becoming a major world oil market, role, it is increasingly clear to energy to national security and the importance of long-term military strategy. The mid-1980s, Beijing’s nuclear warheads to be loaded medium-range CSS-2 ballistic missile to sell Saudi Arabia, and since then, Beijing will spare no effort to develop relations with Riyadh. Some reported that Saudi Arabia funded Pakistan to China to buy missiles and nuclear weapons technology, which Pakistan has become the production and proliferation of nuclear weapons.

China an important part of the strategy is to ensure that can encroach on the Persian Gulf’s oil resources, so it has been maintaining close relations with Saudi Arabia. Until 1995, China was a net oil exporter. However, it was imported in 2001, more than 6000 tons of oil. The next decade, in order to maintain GDP growth, China needs to import at least double the amount of oil. Soon, the Chinese impact on world oil markets will become the major countries, this change will be competition for resources and a great impact on international security relations.

China needs energy reserves in the world to enjoy a greater share, so it has adjusted its foreign policy and energy strategy. It is with Sudan, Venezuela, Iraq and Kazakhstan signed a large amount of oil contracts, and these contracts has brought important military and security protocols. Thousands of Chinese workers and soldiers disguised as oil workers in Sudan’s oil production facilities to maintain security. In spring 2001, Chinese leaders * visit to Venezuela, that the leaders of oil-producing countries, said Jiang Chavez and his socialist revolution is a revolution for the Chinese Maoist model of. Chavez came to power, the sudden the two countries to strengthen bilateral military relations. Agreement between China and Kazakhstan Kazakh oil fields from the construction of a huge oil pipeline across China. China hopes to become the future delivery of oil to Japan and South Korea land bridge, with a view to strengthen its influence in order to achieve the basin to replace the U.S. as the largest country in East Asia’s strategic objectives.

China and Saudi Arabia, the relationship between both arms, there are commercial contracts. In the late 1980s, China sold thirty-six CSS-2 missiles to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in the south of China who built two bases, the Chinese military responsible for the maintenance of these missiles. Chinese CSS-2 is a major regional nuclear-weapon systems, originally used to target the United States in Japan, Korea and the Philippines military bases. CSS-2′s range of 3,000 miles or so; in theory, be deployed in Saudi Arabia that the missile can hit almost all of the Middle East region and parts of India. CSS-2 system is very heavy, need to spend hundreds of people preparing to launch dozens of military vehicles. It is very corrosive liquid fuel, if inhaled, can cause death; Therefore, adding fuel to operate is extremely complex. Saudi Arabia is likely to rely on the Chinese military experts to do the launch preparations, therefore, under what circumstances the use of these belong to the Saudi missiles, Beijing has a great voice. CSS-2 nuclear weapons, but China sold Saudi Arabia voice call CSS-2 production of conventional warheads. Assumed that the Saudi CSS-2 with conventional warheads, but Beijing has not promised privately to provide nuclear warheads in a crisis, they hit a poor Saudi CSS-2 is basically a pile of waste. Chinese people actually let the Saudis have taken the bait, do not buy a useless old with nuclear warheads on missile systems.

news reports speculated that China has offered to sell Saudi Arabia advanced missile systems, of which 600 km range CSS-6 missiles and a range of 1800 km, using solid fuel CSS-5 missiles; also may be a range of 5500 km of intercontinental ballistic missiles, because it basically added a booster of CSS-2. It is said that the Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan and his two sons, Prince Multan Dasu classes (now Ambassador to the U.S.) and Prince Khalid bin Sultan (Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War commander) and China to negotiate a The first missile deal. Prince Sultan went to China for several years conducted several high-level visits. His ranch not far from Riyadh, said in 1988, CSS-2 missiles, transport aircraft landed at the ranch on the airport. That sum of CCS-2 transaction of $ 3 to 3.5 billion U.S. dollars, of course, willing to sell Beijing a complete missile systems to Riyadh, but Saudi people may realize on the transaction to give them trouble In such a large sum of money paid before then, they might consider repeatedly.

most likely in the future to sell missiles to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan. According to many media reports, Saudi Arabia has been funding Pakistan to China to buy missiles and nuclear technology; the 1994 defection of a Saudi diplomat’s report also mentioned this. Pakistan’s fiscal years of deficits, while China can not be in arrears, so the money must not have come at. In May 1999, Pakistan conducted nuclear tests, Prince Sultan visited the card Huta uranium enrichment plant and production of missile facilities. May 2002 Pakistan test-fired missiles can carry nuclear warheads Jiawu Li, the Sultan may also be present. If these reports are true, and that Saudi Arabia is paying to China, Pakistan to allow China to buy missiles and nuclear technology. If this is the case, Saudi Arabia may be purchased through an agent of nuclear technology to China, and Pakistan as is this role. If Riyadh on Pakistan’s nuclear program can also influence, transported to Saudi Arabia as long as the number of missiles and warheads, they can immediately become a true nuclear power.

recent argument is that since 1997, Pakistan has been working with North Korea during the barter transaction: the former to the latter in exchange for China’s nuclear missile technology. As a result, things even more complicated. According to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that North Korea secretly developing nuclear weapons underground facilities, concentrated in the vicinity of Jinchang in which to do so is a violation of Pyongyang in 1994 to make a commitment. In Pakistan’s nuclear facilities and missile facilities and technical personnel working in China is certainly aware of these transactions, while Beijing has deliberately concealed the message to Washington. These events illustrate, the United States has always been China’s proliferation of missiles and nuclear technology to conduct a blind eye attitude, now has its turn to suffer the.

China and Saudi Arabia have much in common, but not in the near future as China replaced the United States to protect the security of the Persian Gulf. There has been speculation in the Sultan branch of the Saudi royal family if the palm of the right will turn to seek refuge with Beijing. This speculation is illogical, because the United States in the Gulf region has a strong military and economic strength. Sultan family, the people engaged in missile deal with Beijing not to close relations between Saudi Arabia and China. They are for the money, it may be in order to get an atomic bomb. However, if the political situation has changed in Riyadh, may also lead to strategic realignment. Never happened before is not an unexpected event: Saudi Arabia’s neighbors, Iran’s pro-American King of a sudden it fell. In the case of the Saudi royal family suddenly appeared on the succession crisis, China may be waiting in the wings. It is certain: As China’s oil demand is growing, it will do everything possible to expand the existing small influence in the Persian Gulf region, and the relationship with Saudi Arabia is an important part of this strategy.
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Former CIA analyst alleges China-Saudi nuclear deal

By Jeff Stein
A former CIA officer who managed intelligence reports on Saudi Arabia has sent an uncleared manuscript to congressional offices claiming that China supplied nuclear missiles to the kingdom early in the George W. Bush administration.

“I believe the People’s Republic of China delivered a turn-key nuclear ballistic missile system to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia over the course of several years beginning no later than December 2003,” writes Jonathan Scherck in a self-published book, “Patriot Lost,” which he provided to SpyTalk on Monday.

He also e-mailed copies to the offices of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.


Scherck, who became convinced that the White House was covering up the China-Saudi nuclear connection so as not to damage relations with a major U.S. ally and oil supplier, said he formed his conclusions while reading intelligence reports from Riyadh during his 18 months on “the Saudi account” in the Near East Division between 2005 and 2007, as well as talking with other CIA personnel in contact with the Bush White House.

“Based on the author’s knowledge of U.S. satellite imagery spanning this time period, along with first-hand accounts of revealing interactions between Cheney’s office and CIA management,” a press release says, “Patriot Lost details how -- out of political expediency amidst the war in Iraq -- the Bush White House opted not to intervene in an oil-for-nuclear weapons pact between the Chinese government and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. This heavily shrouded deal and Washington’s shocking complicity constituted a flagrant violation of the long-standing but crippled Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty ratified decades ago under the Richard Nixon administration.”

But his manuscript provides little in the way of detailed evidence for his conclusions.

Scherck joined the CIA in 2004 but quit before finishing the agency’s rigorous clandestine career training course, in November of that year. He then joined SpecTal, a Reston, Va.-based intelligence contractor, which assigned him to the CIA as a collection management officer on the Saudi desk. He supplied SpyTalk with corroboration of his agency employment and correspondence with the CIA’s Publications Review Board over his manuscript.

Scherck also said he was fired “because of my continued interaction with the NGA” – the National Geospatial Agency, which provides spy satellite pictures to the CIA and other U.S. intelligence components.

He said he tired of the board’s “foot dragging” on his manuscript, although he had submitted it only in April, the correspondence shows. Negotiations can drag on for several months.

Publishing the manuscript without the CIA’s approval opens him to criminal prosecution.

CIA spokesmen were not readily available for comment. Spokesman for Feinstein and Hoekstra could not be reached. (Update: A Feinstein spokesman later said the office was "still digesting" the manuscript and would have no comment.)

“I was a contractor supporting America’s intelligence community,” Scherck writes.

“As a contractor working at CIA … I served as a middleman between HUMINT [human intelligence] collectors in the field overseas and policymakers downtown at the White House and National Security Council. But in this role, I was one of only a few individuals in Washington with access to what was being said overseas at the time about Saudi Arabia’s procurement of a new ballistic missile system from China. “

“I read things, I heard things, I saw things,” he continued. “Admittedly, I did not see all—but I saw enough.”

Over the years there have been constant reports on secret collaboration among China, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in nuclear and ballistic missile development.
 
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In order to gain the capability to intercept the DF-3A missiles, Israel has to buy the SM-3IA/B missile from USA and to obtain their system backup.

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Needless.

Arrow 3 (Hetz 3)

Israel's Arrow-3 Completes Successful Exoatmospheric Flight Test - YouTube

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Arrow 2 - ASIP Intercepts a Ballistic Missile Target

Arrow-2 ASIP Intercepts a Ballistic Missile Target - YouTube
 
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Intercepting a 300km Scud missile is not the same to intercept a 3000km DF-3A.

The DF-3A is not something new nowadays, but it needs to be intercepted by a bigger toy such as the SM-3.
 
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