SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions

[monitor]

 

[Deino]

wrong thread and already posted !??

 

[python-000]

This jet is so hot! I just lovin it.

FC31V2 is far bigger than I thought it will be.

Thank you soo much to keep this thread alive again

 

[52051]

Some source in CJDBY (I don't know how reliable it is) claimed that, there is no future of FC-31 in PLAAF, the PLAAF simply don't want it.

But since PLAAF has occupied all J-20's order so far, the PLAN, which has a lot of money in hand, want to invest in FC-31 as a backup plan, however in the end they still prefer an open bidding, which may involve FC-31 and other fighters, but still if the news is real, it is still a good news for FC-31, since finally they get the much needed source of investment.

 

[Akasa]

Some source in CJDBY (I don't know how reliable it is) claimed that, there is no future of FC-31 in PLAAF, the PLAAF simply don't want it.

But since PLAAF has occupied all J-20's order so far, the PLAN, which has a lot of money in hand, want to invest in FC-31 as a backup plan, however in the end they still prefer an open bidding, which may involve FC-31 and other fighters, but still if the news is real, it is still a good news for FC-31, since finally they get the much needed source of investment.

To be honest, nobody expected the PLAAF to be interested in the first place. However, recent rumors from sensor suppliers and a few "big shrimps" are implying that the PLAN is going for an enlarged fighter based on the FC-31.

 

[Beast]

To be honest, nobody expected the PLAAF to be interested in the first place. However, recent rumors from sensor suppliers and a few "big shrimps" are implying that the PLAN is going for an enlarged fighter based on the FC-31.

FC-31 is not a small plane. I will say the size is just nice for carrier. If they want a J-20 size onboard carrier sounds abit too far. If anything bigger, it might limit the number of plane carry onboard.

 

[Akasa]

FC-31 is not a small plane. I will say the size is just nice for carrier. If they want a J-20 size onboard carrier sounds abit too far. If anything bigger, it might limit the number of plane carry onboard.

It's not about the overall size of the FC-31, it's that its wings are not large enough to provide sufficient lift during a CATOBAR takeoff. An enlarged FC-31 would have changes mainly in the wings and landing gear.

 

[Ultima Thule]

FC-31 is not a small plane. I will say the size is just nice for carrier. If they want a J-20 size onboard carrier sounds abit too far. If anything bigger, it might limit the number of plane carry onboard.

Its a size of super hornet but @Akasa is right fc31 must have bigger wing area/wing span to increase its lift for carrier operations just like F35C has sir

 

[Beast]

Its a size of super hornet but @Akasa is right fc31 must have bigger wing area/wing span to increase its lift for carrier operations just like F35C has sir

FC-31 is design in mind with EM catapult of Type002 carrier. F-18 with not so big lift wing still can take maxload from carrier. All thanks to steam catapult.

In the PLAN context, they want to make FC-31 bigger is more for longer payload of weapon and range rather than just increase wingspan for lifting alone. The overall size increas of FC-31 is their intention.

 

[Ultima Thule]

FC-31 is design in mind with EM catapult of Type002 carrier. F-18 with not so big lift wing still can take maxload from carrier. All thanks to steam catapult.

In the PLAN context, they want to make FC-31 bigger is more for longer payload of weapon and range rather than just increase wingspan for lifting alone. The overall size increas of FC-31 is their intention.

But what is the purpose of increasing the wing area/span of F35 C any opinion sir

 

[Beast]

But what is the purpose of increasing the wing area/span of F35 C any opinion sir

That will depend on final user what they want, increase lift, fuel? But the increase also need to take into consideration of RCS since we are talking about 5th gen fighters. It will be very complicated.

 

[Akasa]

Another riddle about the FC-31, this time from "梁无咎" (not sure how credible he/she is). Could somebody decipher it to the best of their ability?

海思花落我婶这件事尽管很多军迷认为古鸟腿短而为此抓狂。事实上所长一开始也认为海思会是南北合研，不过可能忽略了灰龙，双手互博不是常人所具备的。古鸟这个庶出的娃子雄心万丈，落选控思后又极力推荐给小巴与中东某驼，不过在朱掌的黑烟令这些买家望而生畏。2.0在原设计上做了大部分修改，（这里说一个题外话，古鸟2.0这个概念说法最早是本所长说的，好几年前了，弹射鲨不会批厂这个观点也是军网上本所长第一个提出来的），除了外形布局，雷达系统也用了最高标配。之前一些军坛大神根据捕风捉影的消息宣称灰龙会上舰，所长当时就粗来辟谣了。机身设计使然=灰龙不可能上舰。本来男欢后来也推过一个海思版本，不过不是灰龙的兄弟，是以前准备外贸的储备样板，后来睡狮说，双手互博会分心，专心倒腾乃们滴灰龙阿逼西吧。言外之意海思基本只留给下一家。到了002这个点才觉得时间紧迫，到底要拉什么鸡？后面大致和所长猜测的一样，与十六号共享鸡鸡啦吧。003本来也想拉弹射鲨，不过弹射鲨随着灰沙的几次世故让人心灰意冷，而且周边的妖魔鬼怪三五阿逼西好像一夜之间全部都上班了，弹射鲨整体给人感觉太单薄了。所以丫注定只是测试鸡，搞了好几架吧，算做补充世故的灰沙也入编了。不过在002上也是常规起降，木有弹弓助推专业不对口。以古鸟为蓝本的海思现在根据时间算，在003粗来后大致也形成战力了。003应该在2020-2021入役，比之米帝在周边横行的三五逼西也不算太晚，至于性能现在还不好推测。海思现在按体型标准属于中型鸡鸡，上次看了古鸟与千十一毕的合影，感觉卧槽也太小了，这是要上演小鬼扳城隍？而且四颗破烂的数量感觉也太少了。不知道增粗前轮液压杆+尾钩后会成为什么怪物，想想都觉得好恐怖

 

[clarkgap]

Another riddle about the FC-31, this time from "梁无咎" (not sure how credible he/she is). Could somebody decipher it to the best of their ability?

梁无咎 just reprints others' content, and he always does not write provenance.

 

[jaybird]

Another riddle about the FC-31, this time from "梁无咎" (not sure how credible he/she is). Could somebody decipher it to the best of their ability?

He basically said FC-31 will be the PLAN 5th gen fighter and some people are not too happy with the choice because of the short-legged(Combat range) of the jet. In the past, he also thought China's 5th generation carrier borne stealth fighter project will be develop jointly by Chengdu and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). But it turns out SAC won the government funding for a FC-31 carrier version.

After FC-31 lost competition to J-20 for the PLAAF endorsement in 2008. SAC tried to market the FC-31 to Pakistan and certain middle eastern country. But the black smoke from the RD-93 engines scare the customers away in 2014 Zhuhai Airshow. Since no foreign buyers showed firm interest in the project, SAC improved the desgin of JF-31 to version 2.0 afterward with better stealth design, IRST and better radar etc...

Due to the design shaping of J-20, he never thought J-20 is an ideal choice for carrier borne stealth fighter. Chengdu did propose a design for the 5th gen carrier borne competition. It's not "brother of the J-20". But some different design that was reserved for foreign market. But higher up thought it's better for Chengdu to just concentrate on J-20.

Supposedly they were planning to use J-15A on 003 carrier as well. But was disappointed with it due to some incidents. Plus surrounding countries are getting 5th generation fighters or soon getting them. J-15A (CATOBAR version) no longer adequate to deal with the future new threats. So, J-15A destined to be just trial version not meant to be for mass production.

Not my words, just a rough translation.

 

[帅的一匹]

He basically said FC-31 will be the PLAN 5th gen fighter and some people are not too happy with the choice because of the short-legged(Combat range) of the jet. In the past, he also thought China's 5th generation carrier borne stealth fighter project will be develop jointly by Chengdu and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). But it turns out SAC won the government funding for a FC-31 carrier version.

After FC-31 lost competition to J-20 for the PLAAF endorsement in 2008. SAC tried to market the FC-31 to Pakistan and certain middle eastern country. But the black smoke from the RD-93 engines scare the customers away in 2014 Zhuhai Airshow. Since no foreign buyers showed firm interest in the project, SAC improved the desgin of JF-31 to version 2.0 afterward with better stealth design, IRST and better radar etc...

Due to the design shaping of J-20, he never thought J-20 is an ideal choice for carrier borne stealth fighter. Chengdu did propose a design for the 5th gen carrier borne competition. It's not "brother of the J-20". But some different design that was reserved for foreign market. But higher up thought it's better for Chengdu to just concentrate on J-20.

Supposedly they were planning to use J-15A on 003 carrier as well. But was disappointed with it due to some incidents. Plus surrounding countries are getting 5th generation fighters or soon getting them. J-15A (CATOBAR version) no longer adequate to deal with the future new threats. So, J-15A destined to be just trial version not meant to be for mass production.

Not my words, just a rough translation.

The engine development still lag behind, it restrain designer to fully tap their talent.
Until now, WS15's condition is unknown. We need genius like Ma Wei Ming in aero-engine industry.

SAC is a bunch of idiot without any long term plan.

A stealthy fighter with smoky engine can't fool any customers.

I don't hope the goverment give the carrier-borne fighter contract to SAC just because they need to be taken care of.