SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[Max Pain]

Another matter of fun here is PAF actually downgraded it's capabilities from premier western tech like F-16 to Chinese rip-offs as their primary combat aircraft it's a matter of pity.

that was all due to the embargo, we opted for cheap alternatives, but youre right, 40 odd Mirage 2000 or Saab JAS-39 Gripen wouldve been much better than those hundreds of F-7's. back then we began giving priority to quantity over quality.
but thank God things began changing since the last decade.

 

[Hurter]

Please make it correct. F-31 is not a 4th gen. Its 5th.

 

[Ek pandran]

Let c

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

Islamabad: Pakistan plans to buy the fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft from China to boost its defence capability, according to a media report on Saturday.

The matter was being discussed with Chinese authorities, Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain was quoted as saying by the Dawn newspaper.

"It is for the first time that a senior government functionary has confirmed talks with China over purchase of the longer-range stealth aircraft ? an issue that has been a subject of speculation in defence circles since the 10th edition of the Zhuhai Air Show (China) held earlier this month, when the aircraft was unveiled," the paper reported.

The Jane's Defence Weekly also quoted an unnamed Pakistani official as saying that the Pakistan Air Force was in talks with China to buy 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 fighters.

FC-31 being developed by China primarily for the export market and reportedly several countries are interested in the aircraft believed to be comparable to US F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

A prototype of the aircraft, designated as J-31, has been flown by the Chinese aircraft research and development firm Shenyang Aviation Company for a couple of years now.

What particularly interests the PAF is that FC-31 prototype (J-31) and JF-17 use the same Russian Klimov RD-93 engines.

Pakistan is increasingly relying on China as a reliable source for its defence procurements.

Hussain said that Pakistan was also interested in Chinese attack helicopter Z-10.

China and Pakistan had earlier co-produced JF-17 Thunder.

Pakistan has been eagerly trying to market this fighter aircraft.

"We have nearly confirmed orders from seven countries for JF-17," Hussain said.

Pakistan, which is at present producing Block-2 of JF-17 at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, is eyeing orders from countries in the Middle East and Africa.

"The PAF has a requirement of 250 aircraft, but now we have decided that we'll sell some of the JF-17 Block-2 to international buyers besides fulfilling our local demand," the minister said.

Pakistan plans to buy stealth fighter aircraft from China | Zee News

 

[zaid butt]

No chinese engine won't be better than rd-93 at least for a while in lifespan.
RD-33/93 is rated at 4000 hours compared to estimate of 3000 hours that chinese members are giving for ws series.

Truth needs to be seen though.

chinese engines are better than rd 93
ENGINES:
Chinese Russian Percentage
WS13 RD-93 Difference
Length (m): 4.15 4.25 -2.35%
Diameter (m): 1.02 1.04 -1.92%
Weight (kg): 1135 1055 +7.58%
Thrust (afterburning, kN): 86.37 81.3 +6.24%
Thrust (dry, kN): 56.75 50 +13.50%
Bypass ratio: 0.57 0.49 +16.33%

 

[zaid butt]

already on pdf

 

[Mav3rick]

PAF wants to buy Chinese stealth aircraft: minister

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has expressed interest in procuring fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft FC-31 from China.

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain told Dawn on Friday the matter was being discussed with Chinese authorities.

It is for the first time that a senior government functionary has confirmed talks with China over purchase of the longer-range stealth aircraft — an issue that has been a subject of speculation in defence circles since the 10th edition of the Zhuhai Air Show (China) held earlier this month, when the aircraft was unveiled.

The Jane’s Defence Weekly had quoted an unnamed Pakistani official as saying that the PAF was holding talks with China for the purchase of 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 fighter planes and that discussions had gone beyond initial inquiries.

The FC-31 is being developed by China primarily for the export market. Chinese officials claim that several countries have expressed interest in the aircraft believed to be comparable to US F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

A prototype of the aircraft, designated as J-31, has been flown by the Chinese aircraft research and development firm Shenyang Aviation Company for a couple of years now.

What particularly interests the PAF is that FC-31 prototype (J-31) and JF-17 use the same Russian Klimov RD-93 engines.

Pakistan is increasingly relying on China as a reliable source for its defence procurements.

Mr Hussain said that Pakistan was also interested in Chinese attack helicopter Z-10.

China and Pakistan had earlier co-produced JF-17 Thunder. Pakistan has been eagerly trying to market this fighter aircraft.

“We have nearly confirmed orders from seven countries for JF-17,” Mr Hussain said.

Pakistan, which is at present producing Block-2 of JF-17 at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, is eyeing orders from countries in the Middle East and Africa.

“The PAF has a requirement of 250 aircraft, but now we have decided that we’ll sell some of the JF-17 Block-2 to international buyers besides fulfilling our local demand,” the minister said.

The minister sounded upbeat about the upcoming four-day defence exhibition IDEAS 2014 beginning in Karachi on Dec 1.

Some 175 companies, including 34 local firms, are participating in the international event this year.

Mr Hussain said a few MoUs and agreements on joint ventures were expected to be signed during the exhibition, but no orders were expected at the event.

“The basic spirit behind the exhibition is to increase interaction with defence industry (officials) of other countries and provide exposure to our own industry,” he said.

Published in Dawn, November 22th, 2014

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Please make it correct. F-31 is not a 4th gen. Its 5th.

chinese 4th gen is equal to World 5th gen ( they have different standard)

meanwhile Chinese standards consider all 4th gen fighter as 3rd gen

 

[araz]

Pakistani pilots are working in PLAAF on deputation where they are flying both Chinese & Russian made Flankers along with J-10's & training Cino pilots as well...& it's going on since last two decades.
& Quing class submarines are under construction to be delivered to Pak.... & I do not speak on the basis of "web links" but "ground links"...!

Dost
You maybe right but I stand by my assertion that at this point in time J20 is not for sale. The news today also supports my assertion.Unlike you I have no "ground links". However to us lesser mortals who rely on the internet there is plenty of evidence to suggest that. My earlier assertions were based on previous times when the projects were mired in secrecy and therefore once better products became available they became more open. I am aware of the contingent of PAF Pilots as well as engineers on the chinese projects as well as our familiarity with the sino russian platforms. I do not know about the subs project but my understanding is that the project is somewhat different from Quing. Rest I will agree with you.

 

[SQ8]

Pakistani pilots are working in PLAAF on deputation where they are flying both Chinese & Russian made Flankers along with J-10's & training Cino pilots as well...& it's going on since last two decades.
& Quing class submarines are under construction to be delivered to Pak.... & I do not speak on the basis of "web links" but "ground links"...!

The above has been on the forums for quite a while.. and the submarines you talk of must have completely missed the eyes of DCNS(projects). Funny that he has no idea of Qings...and was still in negotiations with the Chinese on a Song derivative.

 

[tarrar]

J31 is advance but it is a 4th Generation fighter where as J/F35 to whom which the people compare with is a 5th Generation fighter. J31 uses the same engine RD93 which is the same one which JF17 is using, but the good news is China is working on an improved variant named WS-13A with 100KN of thrust for J-31 & there are rumors that WS-13A will also be used by JF17.

So though the news is official which I am very happy to hear but it will take time for J31 to develop completely.

Mean while PAF needs to work on replacing dead mirages completely with J10B, with this move PAF will get a modern fighter jet.

 

[Hurter]

chinese 4th gen is equal to World 5th gen ( they have different standard)

meanwhile Chinese standards consider all 4th gen fighter as 3rd gen

Ye to latest news hai

 

[Syed Hussain]

The above has been on the forums for quite a while.. and the submarines you talk of must have completely missed the eyes of DCNS(projects). Funny that he has no idea of Qings...and was still in negotiations with the Chinese on a Song derivative.

It's been no mare than 2 months since I joined this forum so what's been here before I don't know & care about, but in this two months I have "encountered" at least 3 "years old" members who were trying to fit WS-15 in JF-17(old can also be a fool's gold). What I know is I have bunch of friends & relatives working in all three branches of Pak defense forces in both fighting & technical categories. So much for "laptop" intellectuals like you

 

[khanboy007]

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has expressed interest in procuring fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft FC-31 from China.

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain told Dawn on Friday the matter was being discussed with Chinese authorities.

It is for the first time that a senior government functionary has confirmed talks with China over purchase of the longer-range stealth aircraft — an issue that has been a subject of speculation in defence circles since the 10th edition of the Zhuhai Air Show (China) held earlier this month, when the aircraft was unveiled.

The Jane’s Defence Weekly had quoted an unnamed Pakistani official as saying that the PAF was holding talks with China for the purchase of 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 fighter planes and that discussions had gone beyond initial inquiries.

The FC-31 is being developed by China primarily for the export market. Chinese officials claim that several countries have expressed interest in the aircraft believed to be comparable to US F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

A prototype of the aircraft, designated as J-31, has been flown by the Chinese aircraft research and development firm Shenyang Aviation Company for a couple of years now.

What particularly interests the PAF is that FC-31 prototype (J-31) and JF-17 use the same Russian Klimov RD-93 engines.

Pakistan is increasingly relying on China as a reliable source for its defence procurements.

Mr Hussain said that Pakistan was also interested in Chinese attack helicopter Z-10.

China and Pakistan had earlier co-produced JF-17 Thunder. Pakistan has been eagerly trying to market this fighter aircraft.

“We have nearly confirmed orders from seven countries for JF-17,” Mr Hussain said.

Pakistan, which is at present producing Block-2 of JF-17 at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, is eyeing orders from countries in the Middle East and Africa.

“The PAF has a requirement of 250 aircraft, but now we have decided that we’ll sell some of the JF-17 Block-2 to international buyers besides fulfilling our local demand,” the minister said.

The minister sounded upbeat about the upcoming four-day defence exhibition IDEAS 2014 beginning in Karachi on Dec 1.

Some 175 companies, including 34 local firms, are participating in the international event this year.

Mr Hussain said a few MoUs and agreements on joint ventures were expected to be signed during the exhibition, but no orders were expected at the event.

“The basic spirit behind the exhibition is to increase interaction with defence industry (officials) of other countries and provide exposure to our own industry,” he said.

Published in Dawn, November 22th, 2014

PAF wants to buy Chinese stealth aircraft: minister - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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