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S-400 purchase will restrict Turkey's access to NATO technology, US official says

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A picture shows two Russian S-400 Triumf S-400 Triumf missile system at the Russian Hmeimim military base in Latakia province, in the northwest of Syria, on December 16, 2015. Russia began its air war in Syria on September 30, conducting air strikes against a range of anti-regime armed groups including US-backed rebels and jihadist groups. Moscow has said it is fighting and other "terrorist groups," but its campaign has come under fire by Western officials who accuse the Kremlin of seeking to prop up Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. / AFP / Paul GYPTEAU (Photo credit should read PAUL GYPTEAU/AFP/Getty Images)


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — If Turkey moves forward with its buy of a Russian air defense system, it will not be permitted to plug into NATO technology, and further action may be forthcoming that could affect the country’s acquisition or operation of the F-35, a top Air Force official said Wednesday.

Turkey has reportedly finalized a deal with Russia for the S-400, an advanced anti-aircraft missile system. According to a Nov. 12 Reuters report, Turkish Defense Minister Nurettin Canikli claimed that it had made an order for the missiles and further terms of the agreement were “just details now.”

If true, the development could have a drastic effect on Turkey’s military cooperation with the rest of NATO, which fears that Turkey is moving away from democratic norms and is fostering a closer relationship with powers such as Russia and China.

Heidi Grant, deputy undersecretary of the Air Force for international affairs, was unable to say exactly what course of action the United States would pursue if Turkey purchases the S-400.

“As a major NATO ally, we haven’t really looked into this yet,” she said in a Nov. 15 interview. “We’re going to have to start looking at, if they are going to go through with this, how we can be interoperable in the future. But right now, I can tell you our policies do not allow us to be interoperable with that system.”

Further complicating the issue is the planned delivery of Turkey’s first F-35s in 2018. Analysts worry that Turkey operating both the S-400 and F-35 together could compromise the jet’s security, as any data collected by the air defense system and obtained by Russia could help expose the joint strike fighter’s vulnerabilities. For a platform like the F-35, whose major strengths are its stealth and data fusion capabilities, that would be a disaster.

Grant agreed that a S-400 acquisition creates issues for Turkey’s use of the F-35.

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“It’s a significant concern, not only to the United States, because we need to protect this high end technology, fifth-generation technology” but for “all of our partners and allies that have already purchased the F-35,” she said.

As far as potential actions the United States might take, Grant said the government will have to work through its options.

Grant spoke to Defense News on the floor of Dubai Air Show, where she met with companies and partner countries over the past four days. During this time, she did not have conversations with the Turkish delegation, she acknowledged.


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Her comments echoed those of Gen. Petr Pavel, chairman of NATO’s military committee. In October, Pavel said that Turkey is free, as a sovereign nation, to make its own decisions in regards to military procurement, but will face “consequences” if a S-400 buy goes through.

What happens next?

Neither Grant nor Pavel have been willing to detail how the United States and NATO could respond to Turkey’s S-400 procurement, especially with regards to Turkey’s role in the F-35 program, and there’s no clear historical precedent.

Whenever the United States makes an agreement to export weapons to a foreign partner, that country is required to sign an agreement allowing the U.S. to do end-use monitoring to ensure it is not compromising sensitive technologies or information. That can include anything from a “check on how they are using the technology, who is on the same base with them [and] access that other countries may have to our high end technology,” noted Grant.

But the F-35 is not a typical program, being conceived of from the get-go as a partnership among countries that would pay to develop the jet, as well as reap the industrial benefits of building it.

Turkey is entrenched in the program on multiple levels — from the money it has spent to help design it, the more than 100 planes it plans to buy, to Turkish Aerospace Industries’ work on the center fuselage of every F-35, and the country’s role as a sustainment hub for the international joint strike fighter community. It’s not exactly clear what would happen if the United States rolls back its participation in the program.

Turkey’s industrial contributions to the F-35 are “easily replicable elsewhere” should the U.S. government decide to drop Turkey as an international partner on the program, Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst for the Teal Group, told Defense News in an interview ahead of Dubai Airshow.

“The real greater concern is just pushing a large emerging military and economic power out of NATO and into something different and not at all in Western interests,” he said. “It’s a very big deal. It’s so big that I don’t think anyone knows quite what to do with it.”

Individual members of Congress have raised concerns about the Turkish government’s recent shift from NATO, but so far have not sounded alarm bells about an S-400 acquisition. In the past, lawmakers have had difficulty implementing restrictions on the country’s acquisition of the F-35.


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For instance, Rep. David Cicilline, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, tried to block sales of the F-35 to Turkey in July after Turkish security personnel attacked protesters in Washington earlier in 2017. However, the amendment ultimately died without ever getting a vote.

A growing problem

How the U.S. and NATO respond to Turkey could set precedent for how much interoperability with Russian the United States is willing to accept from partner militaries in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Saudi Arabia plans to purchase the S-400 alongside the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system built by Lockheed Martin. During a briefing at Dubai Airshow, Timothy Cahill, Lockheed’s vice president of air and missile defense systems, said that will create challenges for simultaneous use of both systems.


Saudi use of US, Russian air-defense systems will create ‘serious challenges’

Saudi Arabia has reached agreements to reinforce its missile defense capabilities with the U.S. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system and the Russian S-400 Triumf.

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Meanwhile, the United Arab Emirates is interested in buying the F-35, but has also signed a memorandum of understanding with Russia for collaborating on a fifth-generation fighter based on the MiG-29. That, too, could create roadblocks for a future joint strike fighter acquisition.

“They are a sovereign nation, they can choose to go with other partners,” Grant said of the UAE’s work with Russian on a fifth-gen fighter. “But I have made it very clear that it makes it a little more difficult for our partnership as a coalition because we will not be interoperable. As of right now, our current policies are, we would not be interoperable with Russian equipment.”

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So there goes the F-35.

Fewer and fewer people funding a more and more expensive plane.
 
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Gotta love the hypocrisy from the US.

In the end though, I'm sure Turkey will get the F-35.
 
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Why would Turkey would wish to plug the S-400 system with Patriot Missile , there is no need for such action as each system is run independently with own computers and systems

It is like saying if you have PS4 you cannot buy Xbox , both system are different you put them in different areas and they don't talk to each other ever
 
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Indian bureaucrats should read this statement carefully before signing deal for vintage F-16s
 
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Indian bureaucrats should read this statement carefully before signing deal for vintage F-16s

Vintage? We are doing a great favor to India by offering to sell. I personally oppose the sale of any arms to India unless India severs its relations with Russia and North Korea.
 
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No Joe,things arent always what they look like.
Who knows,maybe there wont be a S-400 deal,remember the HQ-9 deal?

There is that, but I see the general trend as one where Turkey-under-Erdogan is increasingly hostile to the US, to Europe and to Euro-central thinking, and more and more self-reliant in many ways. Turkey's drive to expand its defence product exports is one characteristic; her increasing dialogue with Russia, that so troubles the western bloc, is another. Turkey's increasing embrace of religion is part of the change, apparently, and seems to have been a trigger for the socio-economic change in the country that has been observed over the last fifteen years or so.

The big winner is Russia. Starting from their supine position during Yeltsin, they have manoeuvred their way back into international reckoning. They have come to terms with China, and are apparently complicit in a little, low-key planned and permitted technology leakage in products and systems that do not matter quite so much as having their main front-line fighter copied at a cut rate and in phenomenal numbers. They have kept India on the wrong foot, with their overtures to Pakistan, overtures to sell equipment that are perpetually on the point of finalisation, and that meanwhile keeps India in a state of sleepless worry. They have countered the Americans decisively in Syria, and seem to have won the war on terror: in this case, as before, terror that strangely seems to have started at the doorstep of the US.

But, of course, their biggest coup has been the Trumping of America.

Putin's middle name is audacity.
 
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No Joe,things arent always what they look like.
Who knows,maybe there wont be a S-400 deal,remember the HQ-9 deal?

^^

Just a system with ‘hidden black boxes’ that can continuously scan the data collects on the fighter during its operations to then be downloaded at each maintenance update by technical staff or sent instantly for military encrypted telecommunication satellite for analysis.


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There is that, but I see the general trend as one where Turkey-under-Erdogan is increasingly hostile to the US, to Europe and to Euro-central thinking, and more and more self-reliant in many ways. Turkey's drive to expand its defence product exports is one characteristic; her increasing dialogue with Russia, that so troubles the western bloc, is another. Turkey's increasing embrace of religion is part of the change, apparently, and seems to have been a trigger for the socio-economic change in the country that has been observed over the last fifteen years or so.

The big winner is Russia. Starting from their supine position during Yeltsin, they have manoeuvred their way back into international reckoning. They have come to terms with China, and are apparently complicit in a little, low-key planned and permitted technology leakage in products and systems that do not matter quite so much as having their main front-line fighter copied at a cut rate and in phenomenal numbers. They have kept India on the wrong foot, with their overtures to Pakistan, overtures to sell equipment that are perpetually on the point of finalisation, and that meanwhile keeps India in a state of sleepless worry. They have countered the Americans decisively in Syria, and seem to have won the war on terror: in this case, as before, terror that strangely seems to have started at the doorstep of the US.

But, of course, their biggest coup has been the Trumping of America.

Putin's middle name is audacity.
Putin is a real leader,ours on the other hand,well,you know,no need to mention.
 
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There is that, but I see the general trend as one where Turkey-under-Erdogan is increasingly hostile to the US, to Europe and to Euro-central thinking, and more and more self-reliant in many ways. Turkey's drive to expand its defence product exports is one characteristic; her increasing dialogue with Russia, that so troubles the western bloc, is another. Turkey's increasing embrace of religion is part of the change, apparently, and seems to have been a trigger for the socio-economic change in the country that has been observed over the last fifteen years or so.

The big winner is Russia. Starting from their supine position during Yeltsin, they have manoeuvred their way back into international reckoning. They have come to terms with China, and are apparently complicit in a little, low-key planned and permitted technology leakage in products and systems that do not matter quite so much as having their main front-line fighter copied at a cut rate and in phenomenal numbers. They have kept India on the wrong foot, with their overtures to Pakistan, overtures to sell equipment that are perpetually on the point of finalisation, and that meanwhile keeps India in a state of sleepless worry. They have countered the Americans decisively in Syria, and seem to have won the war on terror: in this case, as before, terror that strangely seems to have started at the doorstep of the US.

But, of course, their biggest coup has been the Trumping of America.

Putin's middle name is audacity.

This was such an excellent post I wish I could give it a positive rating.
 
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