Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[DF41]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535685376303579137

Stupid people do stupid things.

Do stupid things

win stupid prizes

 

[sammuel]

I guess most countries of the world..including Russia know about this article 47 of the Geneva Convention Protocol I.. So if the Russians or DPR call these guys Mercenaries they must know what they are talking about..

The problem is that Ukraine Has created a foreign legion army.. but do they get the citizenship like the French foreign legion automatically?.. I know it is already pretty complicated to get the Ukrainian citizenship in the first place..

The other .. and most important problem is what if these guys have committed proven war crimes?


Well..the whole world is learning from this conflict..there are too many new war tactics and doctrines to take note of.. mostly by developing countries..

Come on , Ukrainians are fighting for there homes , If a few fellow allies volunteered to help , they sure don't do it for money benefit.

If anyone is deploying Mercenaries on a large scale it is Russia .

What exactly have the chechias got to look in Ukraine ? The vagner group ? Syrians ?

Russia deploys up to 20,000 mercenaries in battle for Ukraine’s Donbas region

Moscow is luring mercenaries from Syria, Libya and elsewhere in effort to capture as much as possible of eastern Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[ckf]

Ukraine Slams Biden's Comments on Zelensky Not Heeding Warnings—'Absurd'​

Ukraine disputes Biden’s claim Zelensky ‘didn’t want to hear’ warnings Russia would invade

One Ukrainian official said Biden’s words were “not quite true”, while another stated that the phrase “did not want to hear” probably needs “clarification”.

www.scmp.com

It's interesting that despite knowing Russia's potential attack on Kyiv, Zelensky and his aids were more interested in talks with his master Biden than calling Kremlin for a diplomatic solution. Biden's comments on Zelensky is a potential shift in US policy to slow weapons delivery to force Zelensky to the negotiation table, the war has the potential to bring down House of Cards in Washington as well as derail democrats control of Congress and Senate in the mid term elections.

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535810156495503361

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535663494812540929

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535598122629533696

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535597662300426253

 

[sammuel]

It's interesting that despite knowing Russia's potential attack on Kyiv, Zelensky and his aids were more interested in talks with his master Biden than calling Kremlin for a diplomatic solution.

I would love to here what " diplomatic solution " Russians would have agreed on.


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[kingQamaR]

Ukraine stated that on Thursday alone they lost 600 men. That's the official Ukrainian figures. They say normally they lose 200-300 a day. If you do the maths on that since the start of the war their loses are collosal, even by their own figures. 100+ days at 300 a day

 

[jhungary]

I guess most countries of the world..including Russia know about this article 47 of the Geneva Convention Protocol I.. So if the Russians or DPR call these guys Mercenaries they must know what they are talking about..

The problem is that Ukraine Has created a foreign legion army.. but do they get the citizenship like the French foreign legion automatically?.. I know it is already pretty complicated to get the Ukrainian citizenship in the first place..

The other .. and most important problem is what if these guys have committed proven war crimes?


Well..the whole world is learning from this conflict..there are too many new war tactics and doctrines to take note of.. mostly by developing countries..

The problem is, DNR/LNR themselves are considered Non-State Party. This war is between Russia and Ukraine, not DNR/LNR and Ukraine. DNR/LNR in effect is like what Taliban is to Afghanistan. If DNR or LNR fighter were organised into Russian Army, that would have been another issue, but as far as I understand, the command structure is different.

Furthermore, LNR/DNR as an entity does not exist, they are not a recognized country in international arena (Just Russia and a few state recognize them as independent nation, that's not enough). Just because you wear Uniform does not mean you are a state actor. In term of law of war, DNR/LNR fighting fight under their respective flag are considered insurgent, whether or not they consider Mercenary is a separate issue.

As for whether or not Foreign Legion legitimacy. Unless they are paid way more than Ukrainian Military in the same rank and function, they are not considered mercenary whether or not they were offered Citizenship afterward, as per clause 3 of Article 47.

 

[Muhammed45]

Ukraine stated that on Thursday alone they lost 600 men. That's the official Ukrainian figures. They say normally they lose 200-300 a day. If you do the maths on that since the start of the war their loses are collosal, even by their own figures. 100+ days at 300 a day

The country is led by a homosexual rat, what do you expect? Why should Ukrainian soldiers show bravery? For sake of what/whom? Ukraine despite having support of the whole west, is losing the battle. That's an indication of that country's losing leadership.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Is Scholz talking about how sad he is when the Third Reich fell apart? Or how he compares himself to the former german empire heroes and should return germany to that former glory? Is Scholz a former gestapo?

Cause Putin is….
And russian troops often fly soviet flags….

And why exactly are they flying Soviet flags? To commemorate the Soviet Union's historic victory over that same regime Scholz purportedly isn't "too proud" of... In other terms, to celebrate victory in a defensive war against a western power threatening their people once again as we speak.

Also, do I really need to recall the entire list of NSDAP members and Third Reich dignitaries recruited by the current German regime?

Whom they had no qualms of placing at the helm of security services, of all administrative offices (!). Such as one Reinhard Gehlen, former head of the Wehrmacht's Foreign Armies East Military Intelligence, known for personally setting up the Federal Republic of Germany's foreign intelligence service BND and serving as its first president until 1968. The same Gehlen who also served in the Bundeswehr, where he held the highest possible ranking as a reserve officer. And was awarded the regime's Order of Merit.

To add insult to injury, today we have Berlin supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who torture people Gestapo-style.

No, Germany is definitely not in a position to lecture Russia in this regard, nor anyone else for that matter.

If we purely use the russian federation we have chechnia, syria, ukraine on the list.

The Chechen wars saw Russia squashing separatists, which included head-cutting, NATO-backed foreign fighters.

In Syria, Russia was requested to intervene by the local government against NATO-sponsored head-cutting insurgents including "I"SIS.

These are defensive wars.

So is Ukraine, although this one's partially preemptive. Just partially though, because the regime in Kiev had broken the ceasefire in the Donbas, violated two international agreements and was repressing the Russian community on its soil.

No they picked up where the soviets left off. Europe was regularly moving toward softer stance on russia, that did not stop russias constant meddling however.

No, all along the 1990's Russia was entirely powerless and in a more than desolate condition. A bankrupted Russia, whose industries were being plundered by western-linked oligarchs could impossibly afford any meaningful funding of political parties in western Europe. Whereas conversely, Foreign Ministry employees in Moscow were receiving instructions on the phone from Washington.

This is what the actual historic sequence looks like.

The initial test (and the mans face) are proof. Russia also has a bit of a history of poisoning opponents.

This is the proof you were withholding? No comment. Other than what I mentioned before, and which sheds serious doubts on the accusation peddled by NATO and its local clients in Ukraine.

Ofcourse a heavily Pro russian is going to go against that.

An entire department of the Ukrainian judiciary staffed by Russian supporters?

Antisemetic propaganda.

This is Pakistan Defence Forum, not the German public space where anti-zionism is quasi systematically equated with judeophobia, you know.

Hahaha not even the russians really believe that number.

Because you can read their minds I assume. How convincing an interjection.

There are tens of millions fleeing ukraine…and not to the “liberator” russia….ukranian expats in europe are protesting against russia.
Kiev, kharkiv, mykolaiv…russia is facing heavy resistance almost everywhere.

All nazis i assume? Laughable.

These few thousands (and of which only a part is extreme right…so were talking even lower numbers) are a mere poor excuse Russia is using for this war of agression. “Denazifying” whole of ukraine for a handfull of nazis.
Hell Wagner probably houses more…

Strawmanning all over the place. The fact remains that in Mariupol, the Azov regiment had their headquarters and was fielding thousands of fighters as per the admissions of western regimes and media, which is the point under discussion.

A heavy minority of the 20.000 dead ukranian soldiers and many thousands of dead ukranian civilians.
But russia will pay…this is a nation defining moment for ukraine. Millions upon millions now hate their former “brother” nation.

Nearly half of Ukraine's population is composed of native Russian speakers. And they experienced eight long years of oppression at the hands of western-promoted Ukrainian far right extremists. They still do in regions not yet liberated, where upon the slightest expression of sympathy for the Russian Federation, they are arrested and disappear in dungeons where they are tortured in conformity with Ukrainian law (which has legalized torture much like the Bush junior regime did in the USA).

if morale was in shambles we would see a collapse like in afghanistan or iraq…

1) Russia unlike NATO isn't simply bombing everything to smithereens.
2) The basic warfighting capability of Ukrainian armed forces is far superior to Afghanistan or the Iraq of the early 2000's.
3) Over-represented neo-Nazis and other far right extremists, high on captagon and morphine are engaging in a nihilistic and hopeless stand which achieves to delay Russian advances even though it fails at averting them.
4) The Donbas is home to the heaviest and most fortified Ukrainian defence lines.
5) If morale among many regular units of the Ukrainian military wasn't particularly low, they wouldn't release this many videos to voice their desperation, despite the extreme punishments they risk.
6) Now desertions need to be added to the mix, as acknowledged even by western propaganda media:

Cases of desertion are growing among Ukrainian forces suffering significant losses in Russia's artillery onslaught, report says

An intelligence report reveals Ukraine is suffering thousands of casualties and are outgunned by Putin's forces in the Donbas, says The Independent.

ca.yahoo.com

So just watch Ukrainian forces falter little by little, they can slow down but not prevent the inevitable.

Russia vowed to respect its security and sovereignity.
Europe was inching closer to russia (nordstream)

Russia is far from a victim here. Its hilarious that you paint it that way when russia just tries to annex ukraine…

You're making it appear as if NATO never manifested any hostile intentions towards Russia. Bona fide russophobes they put in power in Kiev after overthrowing democratically elected governments via CIA-orchestrated "color revolutions" and armed mobs, we must have dreamt it all up... not.

Meanwhile some western European politicians acted in a slightly more responsible manner than the bulk of their sell-out colleagues and attempted to counteract Washington's push for confrontation with Russia. It's they to whom we owe projects such as Nordstream. However, in the end EU regimes proved that they're comfortable with vassalage and will forego their own best interests for the sake of Uncle Sam's raging lust for destruction.

As said, continued subjugation to American (and zionist) overlords will only have devastating consequences for European states, including on the security front and not least because they're actively making an enemy out of Russia when this was not necessary nor inevitable. All it would have taken was to show some fortitude and decouple their policy from the US regime. It's still not too late.

Well…that is exactly what this is…

There's no relation and I explained why. Neither of the countries destroyed by NATO in recent decades posed any real threat to the latter. So much so that they needed to concoct bogus "evidence" of WMD and other such universally debunked fairy tales. With regards to Ukraine and Russia, the situation is of course totally different.

Syria by far most casualties are due to assad/russia.

Claims a MI6-handled nobody in his home in London, who is known for issuing uncorroborated statements left and right. But even the latter cannot but confess that the governmental camp's civilian to military kill ratio was no worse than 2 to 1 - in reality it was probably far more favorable even. Which, for a counter-insurgency effort in mostly urban and densely populated area fought with a lack of precision munitions is nothing out of the ordinary. The zionist regime, which benefits from a much larger stock of accurate ordinance, has killed proportionally more civilians in several aggressions it launched on the Lebanese and Palestinians.

Did you compare the deaths of afghanistan russia/us invasion yet?

I don't know of any invasion of Afghanistan by Russia. As for the USSR, factor in the might and resources of the very few states assisting the Taleban in the 2000's, versus the array of powers supporting the Mujahedin against the Soviets, or else no comparison would make sense.

The eastern European countries dont think that russia changed much….putin is proving them right.

Sweden and finland even had enough.

Some of them seem to have thought it'd be a good idea to seek "revenge" against a weakened Russia by joining NATO, instead of establishing strong mutually constructive ties. Now it's backfiring and rightfully so.

Others like the current administration in Hungary still seem to be capable of independent and rational policy-making, relatively speaking.

Nothing written. And besides…its the “russian federation” now right?

Doesn't need to be, there are enough credible sources attesting of it. If the USSR was given such an assurance, which it was, then in all logic it would have had to apply even more so to a much weaker Russian Federation in the 1990's and early 2000's.

Also you handpick wich sources you want to take along….your not fooling anyone with your supposed “balanced” research….

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

Because the "Brookings Institution", a USA think tank oscillating between lib-hawk and neocon positions, is a valid source?

That sort of stuff isn't going to fly with anyone with an ounce of intellectual probity.

A certain action does not justify any/every following reaction…especially as russia/sovjets broke many dozen of promises themselves. Before nato existed even.

Getting progressively encircled by a rabidly hostile military alliance whose nation-wrecking habits are there for all to see, and exhausting all peaceful diplomatic means in an attempt to reason with them, justifies pushing back if they obstinately stick to their antagonistic line.

Funny way of describing how russias former colonies come running to our defensive pact.

"Running" from windmills. Or rather, gobbled up by an expansionist, hegemonist, warmongering US regime.

Moscow could not accept ukraine choose closer eu ties. Maybe russia should try diplomacy and trade instead of abusing and agressing their former “subjects/warsaw pact” all the time.

Russia has been militarily intervening against former Warsaw Pact states "all the time", in a parallel universe perhaps.

Both sides can violate a ceasefire multiple times. That is not decisive justification to annex an entire nation.

It is initiated by one party. And that party was the regime in Kiev, end of story.

The prospect of having a hostile, notoriously oppressive and warmongering superpower station troops on one's border, and use the area as a staging ground for acts of destabilization, while one's ethno-linguistic brethren are getting shelled by local clients of that superpower provides far better justification than some trumped up "WMD" charges against an impoverished, feeble country located ten thousand of kilometers away and relying on an incapable military - not least because it was subjected to a decade of inhumane sanctions by the aggressor, as a result of which a million of its citizens perished.

And still…Most civilian deaths are due to seperatist attacks. Seperatists russia has knee deep meddling in.
So enough with this “stopping donbass genocide” bullshit propaganda

Outlandish contention. Between the signing of the Minsk accords and the start of the Russian special military operation, 14000 Donbas residents were slaughtered by Ukrainian regime forces, most of them civilians.

Eastern block made up their mind. And clearly think differently then some iranian propagandist….i kinda think they have more knowhow and experience….

Ah, random Iranians are bound to be propagandists while eastern European leaders are incapable of objectionable policy-making and miscalculation. And if the German people in March 1933 voted the NDSAP into power, that too must have been based on their superior "know-how and experience" I suppose.

By the way, it's quite rich to be labelled a "propagandist" by one of the multiple NATO-sympathizing users who joined this forum over the past few weeks with the express purpose of posting merely in this one thread, and trying to salvage what is salvageable on the psy-ops front by rehashing pre-fabricated talking points provided to them by the western regimes, considering the debacle zio-American lackeys in Ukraine are suffering.

Russia has levelled multiple cities. From grozny to syria to now in ukraine. Many thousands of civilian deaths.

It is clear who is the “bigger evil” here.

There can be no doubt that this unenviable title goes straight to the US regime, its client states and other minions. We're talking about a regime which caused a million Iraqi civilians to perish including half a million children and newborns as a result of suffocating sanctions it imposed on that country from 1991 to 2003, and which its Secretary of State brushed off on live television as an "acceptable price" to pay.

The war in Syria is also a direct consequence of zio-American meddling and deliberate engineering of a civil war.

They fire 50.000 artillery shells a day now.

If we take that into account then russia is throwing more explosives then usa did in iraq….
Civilian deaths are likely higher already too.

They certainly aren't. Furthermore the US regime provoked a million Iraqi civilian deaths before invading.

And why do ukranians need to suffer under an expansionistic russia with dreams of former empire….because of american attack on iraq?

That's your thought process, not mine. Ukrainians and Russians are suffering because of the US empire's expansionism in Europe as well as the concrete, immediate threats this policy is posing to the Russian Federation. US attacks on Iraq and an endless list of other countries however serve as an illustration as to how Washington operates and what its true agenda consists of, behind the fallacious facade of lies and manipulations.

 

[Viet]

1. this isnt what i said.
2. this isnt what you claimed - you claimed Putin has same losses as Ukraine- THAT IS A LIE.

you mean war crimes? pls no.

Read your own posts. You said Russia casualty was reduced to minimum.
What that means? Is between 0 a d 10 per day?
Ukraine says they lose 100-200 own men per day, Russia casualty rate is higher. I estimate Putin has the same casualty rate like Ukraine. That’s realistic figure. Unless you say Russians are superhuman they are immune against artillery shells.

 

[mulj]

I am reading news that Ukraina is started to suffer from lack of ammunition, especially artilerry rounds, here in Bosnia we have huge factory which produced Warsaw pact standard ammunition, also able to produce by NATo standards but there are no orders by EU countries of for resupplying UAF, if there is organized effort by NATO that factory should already work in 4 shifts due necessity for field artillery units of UA.

 

[Apollon]

Read your own posts. You said Russia casualty was reduced to minimum.
What that means? Is between 0 a d 10 per day?
Ukraine says they lose 100-200 own men per day, Russia casualty rate is higher. I estimate Putin has the same casualty rate like Ukraine. That’s realistic figure. Unless you say Russians are superhuman they are immune against artillery shells.

You are wrong, in an attack the attacker usually has losses 2 to 3 times higher than the defending force

 

[jhungary]

I am reading news that Ukraina is started to suffer from lack of ammunition, especially artilerry rounds, here in Bosnia we have huge factory which produced Warsaw pact standard ammunition, also able to produce by NATo standards but there are no orders by EU countries of for resupplying UAF, if there is organized effort by NATO that factory should already work in 4 shifts due necessity for field artillery units of UA.

Ukraine supplies issue was unique.

The problem with Ukrainian armed force is that they mostly carry Ex-Soviet weapon, which mean 7.62x39 and 122 mm rocket, 152.4mm artillery shell. The Ukrainian factory is in Dnipro and Donbas. Both of which were under producing even before the war.

On the other hand, it's not at all easy to use other munition even the same calibre. The same problem with Iraq when the Eastern European country that were fighting in Iraq (Still using ex-Soviet Weapon) are having problem with using Iraqi stockpile, different chemical, different ratio would produce different result even if they are the same dimension and calibre. On the other hand, US, Canada and NATO are all using NATO standard munition, that would make it easier for NATO to supply their weapon if they switch to NATO munition.

Which created the unique problem today, Ukrainian own post Soviet munition is running low (why wouldn't they be, they have been using them since day 1) and NATO supplies not enough weapon and munition on their end of the agreement.

 

[S10]

Ukraine supplies issue was unique.

The problem with Ukrainian armed force is that they mostly carry Ex-Soviet weapon, which mean 7.62x39 and 122 mm rocket, 152.4mm artillery shell. The Ukrainian factory is in Dnipro and Donbas. Both of which were under producing even before the war.

On the other hand, it's not at all easy to use other munition even the same calibre. The same problem with Iraq when the Eastern European country that were fighting in Iraq (Still using ex-Soviet Weapon) are having problem with using Iraqi stockpile, different chemical, different ratio would produce different result even if they are the same dimension and calibre. On the other hand, US, Canada and NATO are all using NATO standard munition, that would make it easier for NATO to supply their weapon if they switch to NATO munition.

Which created the unique problem today, Ukrainian own post Soviet munition is running low (why wouldn't they be, they have been using them since day 1) and NATO supplies not enough weapon and munition on their end of the agreement.

For a former Soviet Republic with so many inherited weapons factories, Ukraine sure ran out of shells fast. What you cannot take by firepower, you must pay in lives.

 

[ZeGerman]

According to polling, 60% ukranians showed a cold sentiment against russia. That was before the current invasion by the way. Would be fun to poll current sentiment….


80%+ are now in favor of joining EU.

I guess they are all just Nazis that must be “denazified”. Millions of them.

But that remaining 20% is like the ball of food that got stuck in NATO's throat of integrating Ukraine into NATO - those Russian speakers in Ukraine will never agree for Ukraine to join NATO, and that was why US and NATo supported Ukranian govt in suppressing them violently in Donbas.

That 20% had broken up Ukraine irreversibly, you sound so foolish.

More propaganda. Most deaths in donbass were due to seperatists. And most countries rush to join Nato to protect them from russian agression.

It is russia that is choking on going against the 80%….they might be able to annex the 20% ethnic russians that they migrated there after starving the ukrainians in the holodomor…but the other 80% of their “brother nation” will hate them for their violence.

We go from a situation of ukraine being close to russian influence sphere.
To 80% of ukraine violently opposing russia.
Russia lost 30.000 soldiers and nato lost 0.
Nato will gain multiple countries (sweden/finland).
Europeans are doubling their military spending.

Its a disaster for russia vs nato.
We are just sad to see ukraine having to suffer from such a needless russian war.