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In fact, it a good thing they left, it gives opportunities to Russians companies and friendly countries ones.
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Putin said they will regret their decision to leave Russia.. because it is an open economy..
The important thing to remember is they were forced by political decisions as sanctions.. not really willing to loose the Russian Market volunterally..
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Thats simply not true. A country can enlist a person with another nationality if they want to, and then this person is protected by the Geneva Convention like the rest of the soldiers. You and anybody else making up your own rules, based upon your opinion, doesnt change anything.
Bringing in a private organization, like Wagner, is a different matter, unless Russia is ready to admit that Wagner is infact an integrated part of the russian armed forces.
Actually it doesnt. The two guys start running back the direction they came from and then the video ends. Its doesnt show any casualties and it doesnt show anyone fleeing.
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Again, it's the same even if he is just a resident. It's like people who join the US Military with a Green Card instead of as a Citizen, they are still state sponsored and fought as an American SoldierShaun Pinner was an Ukrainian resident for 4 years not Ukrainian citizen...
Shaun Pinner: Family devastated by Donetsk 'show trial'
They say that as a Ukraine resident Shaun Pinner should be treated as a prisoner of war.www.google.com
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Refer to Article 47 of Geneva Convention (1949)
Article 47 [ Link ] -- Mercenaries
1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.
2. A mercenary is any person who:
(a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
Read the text in Bolted Red
He is a resident of territory controlled by a party to the conflict (He is a resident of Ukraine)
He is sent by a state which is a party to the conflict (Ukrainian Government sent him to Mariupol and Ukraine is a party of this conflict)
He is a member of the Armed Forces of a Party (He is a member of Ukrainian Armed Force)
Which mean he failed condition d, e and f, which mean he does not qualify as a Mercenary.
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So what happens if you're caught before becoming a US or any other country's citizen..???Again, it's the same even if he is just a resident. It's like people who join the US Military with a Green Card instead of as a Citizen, they are still state sponsored and fought as an American Soldier
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Refer to Article 47 of Geneva Convention (1949)
Article 47 [ Link ] -- Mercenaries
1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.
2. A mercenary is any person who:
(a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
Read the text in Bolted Red
He is a resident of territory controlled by a party to the conflict (He is a resident of Ukraine)
He is sent by a state which is a party to the conflict (Ukrainian Government sent him to Mariupol and Ukraine is a party of this conflict)
He is a member of the Armed Forces of a Party (He is a member of Ukrainian Armed Force)
Which mean he failed condition d, e and f, which mean he does not qualify as a Mercenary.
No doubt Ukraine had and has corruption but still.
Im from Denmark, and cant seem to find anything supporting this claim by “Media”. Would you care to tell me what Media is?
The entire french foreign legion should face execution if defending France, based on this logic that foreigners are mercenaries.
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You don't.
Again, most western and European countries allow Non-Citizen to join their Armed Forces.
US Military - USCIS (Immigration) have a special pathway that allow Green Card Holder to naturalise as US Citizen while serving or served the US Military
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Canadian Military - Same pathway offered by Candian IRCC
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British Military - UK allow Citizens of Commonwealth Country to join their Military - Although now recruitment is suspended to all commonwealth country other than Ireland due to Sickle Cell Trait
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French Foreign Legion - well, need I say more??
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Australian Defence Force - Australian is probably the harshest of the bunch but still allow non-Citizen to fill Defence Role if they can't find any
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Las Fuerzas Armadas Españolas - Spain allow Resident of Spain and other Spanish speaking country to join their reserve
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You will be treated like an American POW as you are issued with a Geneva Convention Identification Card even if you are not US Citizen serving with the US MIlitary
This is Article 47 of Geneva Convention 1949, which defined the term Mercenaries, read part D, E and F
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I just checked the article. Again a false claim. It was a spanish newspaper that made the claim about sending 40 Leopard. It wasnt an official spanish statement, and the german government wasnt consulted. So Germany didnt block anything.
Main battle tanks are not part of the german support for Ukraine, but the article states this: Beim Thema Waffenlieferungen gebe es »keine ewigen Prinzipien«, sagte Olaf Scholz. . No principles are eternal (conserning weapons delivery), meaning german MBT could be delivered to Ukraine in the future.
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I mean like Vietnamese, or Afghans who fought under US army.. but were nor residents of the US.. what would have been their faith if caught in that war by the opposing side..???You don't.
Again, most western and European countries allow Non-Citizen to join their Armed Forces.
US Military - USCIS (Immigration) have a special pathway that allow Green Card Holder to naturalise as US Citizen while serving or served the US Military
Naturalization Through Military Service | USCIS
If you are serving or have served in the U.S. armed forces and are interested in becoming a U.S. citizen, you may be eligible to apply for naturalization under special provisions of the Immigrationwww.uscis.gov
Canadian Military - Same pathway offered by Candian IRCC
Apply for citizenship: Canadian Armed Forces - Canada.ca
Find out if you’re eligible for citizenship: Canadian Armed Forceswww.canada.ca
British Military - UK allow Citizens of Commonwealth Country to join their Military - Although now recruitment is suspended to all commonwealth country other than Ireland due to Sickle Cell Trait
Nationality & Commonwealth - British Army Jobs
As a British citizen, you're able to join the British Army. Certain terms apply for applications from the Commonwealth. See if you can join the British Army.
French Foreign Legion - well, need I say more??
Joining | French Foreign Legion Information
How to join the French Foreign Legion. Entry requirements, recruiting centers. Entry tests. Pay - salary, Career in the Legion. Where to join the Legion, what to take with you.foreignlegion.info
Australian Defence Force - Australian is probably the harshest of the bunch but still allow non-Citizen to fill Defence Role if they can't find any
Joining - ADF Careers
Want a career with rewarding work, a competitive salary, travel and more? Find out everything you need to know about joining the ADF.www.defencejobs.gov.au
Las Fuerzas Armadas Españolas - Spain allow Resident of Spain and other Spanish speaking country to join their reserve
Fuerzas Armadas Españolas | Cómo ingresar - Reservistas Voluntarios
Todos los civiles tienen el derecho constitucional de poder participar en la defensa de España, dedicando voluntariamente parte de tu tiempo a las Fuerzas Armadas.reclutamiento.defensa.gob.es
You will be treated like an American POW as you are issued with a Geneva Convention Identification Card even if you are not US Citizen serving with the US MIlitary
This is Article 47 of Geneva Convention 1949, which defined the term Mercenaries, read part D, E and F
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I'm curious too.
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Omg stop deflecting you’re wrong admit it. First Russia sees everything now China shares info come on man
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But that remaining 20% is like the ball of food that got stuck in NATO's throat of integrating Ukraine into NATO - those Russian speakers in Ukraine will never agree for Ukraine to join NATO, and that was why US and NATo supported Ukranian govt in suppressing them violently in Donbas.
That 20% had broken up Ukraine irreversibly, you sound so foolish.
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