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Looks like M142 HIMARS is coming, not M270 MLRS.

This make sense, HIMARS is air deployable, and this could get to the battlefield quicker.

Also, at 80km range, HIMARS have longer ranger and more accurate than M270 and any Russian MLRS or Artillery. This will give the Ukrainian some edge.

From what i read , the M142 HIMARS is much more reliable system than the M270. It is the best system of this sort that US has .Many countries would like very much to buy it.

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Biden greenlights high precision long range rocket system to Ukraine, under the condition Ukraine does not attack Russia mainland.
The question is how can be avoided in midst of great battles.


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The US propaganda about the Smerch is total BS, you don't know what you're talking about. These use Glonass guided rockets, with CEP of 5-10m and up to 120km range.

We've been hearing about how every single weapon system will be a "game changer", from javelins, M777, and now HIMARS. What's next? So far these weapons haven't had any major effect on the Russian advances, and they've been destroying M777s. The US uses these weapons under air cover, the Ukrainians don't have that. The HIMARS will be slowly picked off, much like the M777.

Ukraine conflict: Russian forces employ guided rockets

11 MARCH 2022

Ukraine conflict: Russian forces employ guided rockets​

by Sunil Nair

The BM-30 Smerch, recognisable from the distinctive MAZ-530M chassis. The Tornado-S is a deep upgrade to this system. (Russian MoD)

Evidence is emerging from the conflict in Ukraine appearing to show that Russian forces are utilizing guided rockets – the 9M544 and 9M549 – with video and photographs of the remains of these types appearing across social media.

The 9M544 and 9M549 are understood to be the latest guided rockets fired from Russia's Tornado-S system. According to official information, these have a range of 120 km and a circular error probable (CEP) of 5–10 m. Images of rocket fragments with the guidance and control unit code 9B706 have appeared in areas where the 9K515 Tornado-S multiple rocket launch (MRL) system has been active.

The guided rockets have achieved an increase in range and accuracy over earlier types by equipping the nose module with cruciform aerodynamic rudders and integrating the 9B706 control system with on-board radio-electronic equipment. The 9B706 uses the CH398M strapdown inertial navigation system (SINS), which receives data from angular velocity and linear acceleration sensors. This, along with the GLONASS modules (also integrated into the 9B706 control system unit), provides a real-time data feed to generate an optimal quasi ballistic flight path for the 9M544 and 9M549 rockets.

Furthermore, the rocket's apogee is in the upper layers of the stratosphere, thereby reducing drag and supporting the increase in range.

The marked increase in accuracy versus earlier rocket types – for example, 9M55K (HE Frag) and 9M528 (HE Frag - parachute retarded) rockets, which have standard electronic time devices and a CEP of 150 m – is primarily due to the combination of the CH938M SINS and GLONASS.

The Tornado-S is a deep upgrade to the BM-30 Smerch MRL system, which it will eventually replace. The BM-30 is a family of 300 mm MRLs, designed to provide indirect fires in depth and in support of large, combined arms operations. The family is based on a common chassis – a modified MAZ-543M 8×8 cross-country truck – which gives off-road mobility. It is designed for independent operations and can conduct so-called ‘shoot and scoot' tactics.

Externally, the Tornado-S launch vehicle appears almost identical to the baseline BM-30 Smerch 9A52-2, but for a GLONASS receiver mounted on the forward-left portion of the crew compartment. Moreover, beyond this external differentiator, the upgraded mission systems include an automated digital fire control system (FCS), which enables the launcher to be automatically aimed at target co-ordinates received over the battle management system. The crew can also undertake the fires mission from within the truck cabin, instead of from the post located on the rear-left of the launcher. The external post remains however, and this is thought to be as a manual back-up in case of emergency.

Russia deploys the Tornado-S system, or complex, in brigades of four battalions. A battalion consists of three batteries with four launchers in each. Accompanying each launcher is a 9T234-2 trans loader vehicle based on the MAZ-543A 8×8 chassis, and this carries 12 rounds and is equipped with a crane.

Apart from the 12 launchers, the Tornado-S battalion includes the battalion and battery 1K 123 Vivary FCS and command-and-control (C2) units, which are housed in a K4310 fully enclosed box unit mounted on a KamAZ-4310 6 × 6 truck chassis. Each of these has its own power generator and a secure data and radio communications system that will support VHF communications to a range of 50 km and HF communications to a range of 350 km. The elements of the Vivary FCS can undertake automated or non-automated command-and-control of a Smerch-equipped MRL brigade.

The Command and Staff Vehicle (CSV) used by the brigade commander and brigade staff is also based on the KamAZ-4310 6×6. For the conflict in Ukraine, this vehicle may have been replaced by the MP32M1 unified C2 system, which is based on the KamAZ-43114 three-axle truck chassis equipped with the K4.5350 shelter. All brigade-level CSVs feature GLONASS/NAVSTAR receivers, other elements in the complex include the 1B44 meteorological station on an unarmoured ZIL-131 6×6 chassis, PM-2-70 MTO-V maintenance and repair unit also fitted to the ZIL-131, and the IT12M-2M topography vehicle which uses a GAZ-66 4×4 truck chassis.

A lighter version of the Tornado-S launcher vehicle, the 9A52-4 (6 round) MRL, is a slim-line version of the original 9A52 and 9A52-2. With six launcher tubes instead of 12, it is fitted on a Kamaz-63501 four-axle 8×8 truck chassis and is designed to be air transportable and operated by a reduced crew. This version is understood to be under development and while many media outlets are referring to the Tornado-S deployed in Ukraine as the 9A52-4, there is not yet evidence of this variant having been deployed.

In addition to the guided rockets, the Tornado-S can fire 9M55K rockets that carry 73 HE frag 9N235 or 9N210 bomblets, the anti-armour parachute retarded MOTIV-3F top attack 9M55K1 rocket, the anti-tank mine laying 9M55K4, the thermobaric fuel air explosive 9M55S, and the 9M55K7, which has a high-explosive anti-tank warhead, among others. These rockets also have extended range versions that enable them to engage targets at a range of 90 km.

Russia has taken a ton of forces from other axis and concentrated them at Severodonetsk. The Ukrainians were massively outnumbered. But the Russians were significantly degraded. They don’t have much offensive capability left, and the further west they move, the longer their supply lines are.

The Russians are going to be in trouble once the HIMARS and M270s arrive. Their movement into Severodonetsk is largely due to their massed artillery. The HIMARS and M270s are highly accurate grid square eliminators.

You said the same thing about the M777s :rofl: you're like a broken stuck record.
 
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10 000 is small.. that's a whole division of SOF..
In modern times 10k is small and they’re not all sof again more propaganda

Slowly but surely Russia is imposing it's will on and off the battlefield. And it's going to get worse hereon. A lightweight can only stand toe-to-toe with a heavyweight for do long.. even if your corner is cheering you on. Cheers can only get you so far.
Someone correctly pointed out the real reason why the collective economic might of the NATO couldn't harm Russia the way Western sanctions for example crushed Iraq or Afghanistan. It's real economy vs
" service " ( aka illusory) economy. A country like Russia, China or even Iran and India derives it's economic power from real products, either natural ( eg oil, food, hydro, gas, minerals) or manufactured ( eg industrial stuff).
Western countries economic might depends on the worship of their fake products by the rest of the world, drawing from the aura they built during colonialism
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For example the outrageous prices we pay for their bags, branded shoes, cosmetics etc made in Bangladesh or Vietnam. Or the extortionate sums we pay for their useless degrees in the education sector. Etc.
This war is a direct clash between a product vs service economy.. and it exposed the latter. For the same reason China can sleep easy now, West will kill themselves trying to sanction it.

I hope for greater humanity ( unfortunately for the Ukraine and Russia) this war drag on for a few years. It will thoroughly expose the Western myth re their military, economic and political might. This will help the rest of the world to decouple from their hegemony on world institutions through which they leech-off the rest of the world.
It would be great foolishness on the part of the Chinese to not speed up this process( by helping Russia at this critical stage.. and the Chinese ain't fools.)
** To any Russian here: why the hell are rail lines to Poland still running freely???
Western myth come on man what planet are you living on? It’s called standard of living.
Let’s see how the sanctions do in 12-24 months you can’t say they’re not effective after 3 months.
 
@Apollon @Vergennes @Wood @F-22Raptor @Messerschmitt ( where is this fellow lately ? ) @Raffie @Get Ya Wig Split, one of your swastika boys encountering the Russians. :enjoy:



Please stop denying what they are. Right from them going on BBC and wailing how the ebeel Russians were killing blond, blue-eyed people to them hanging Russian-speaking pregnant women off wood beams in forests and for years supporting a WW2 era Nazi, Stepan Bandera, and so on it is clear who they are to everyone.
🥱 only clear to people that can’t think for themselves
 
Ukraine advance in the south slowed down. Russia deployed scattered defensive formations. Many small groups of 4-12 vehicles, frequently moving, necessitating to hunt them down individually.

Many roads were mined, and infrastructure sabotaged. The roads Russians are using for retreat are know to be clear.

On the good side, they captured few more Russian officers.
 
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The Russians have a way of simple and straight talk that appeals to the rational. Unlike the unbearable nonsense and lies uttered by the Western bloc leaders.

@Apollon, Boom Boom In Berlin not far. :)
Wait wait wait, I thought it was just reunification with Ukraine they wanted.
Now you’re saying they want to attack Berlin 🤷🏿‍♂️
 
🥱 only clear to people that can’t think for themselves

LOL, so you are denying what even the BBC found embarrassing to broadcast, that wailing fellow going on and on about blond and blue-eyed people of European Ukraine ? And please go back to my post you quoted and watch Hassan's posted vid about the Russians examining a Nazi with Nazi tattoos all over and he emptying his bowels then and there.

Wait wait wait, I thought it was just reunification with Ukraine they wanted.
Now you’re saying they want to attack Berlin 🤷🏿‍♂️

ATM they are talking about only Poland but they also say this :
Russian parliament member Oleg Matveychev weighed in: “If Poland starts any intervention... its current borders will be worthless.” Skabeeva wasn’t satisfied: “I wasn’t talking just about Poland, but mainly about Great Britain and the United States... they’re all lined up.” Avatkov chimed in: “No need to rush, there is a line. Everything in its time!”
My mention of Germany to Apollon was to remind him of the reality response to his constant posting on this thread calling for killing all allied troops in Ukraine and arming Ukraine with nuclear weapons.
 
From what i read , the M142 HIMARS is much more reliable system than the M270. It is the best system of this sort that US has .Many countries would like very much to buy it.

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Well, it is quicker, faster to load, and it does not need a lot of support. Otherwise HIMARS is probably similar to MLRS, just M270 is a bit more bulky than HIMARS
 
The US propaganda about the Smerch is total BS, you don't know what you're talking about. These use Glonass guided rockets, with CEP of 5-10m and up to 120km range.

We've been hearing about how every single weapon system will be a "game changer", from javelins, M777, and now HIMARS. What's next? So far these weapons haven't had any major effect on the Russian advances, and they've been destroying M777s. The US uses these weapons under air cover, the Ukrainians don't have that. The HIMARS will be slowly picked off, much like the M777.

Ukraine conflict: Russian forces employ guided rockets

11 MARCH 2022

Ukraine conflict: Russian forces employ guided rockets​

by Sunil Nair

The BM-30 Smerch, recognisable from the distinctive MAZ-530M chassis. The Tornado-S is a deep upgrade to this system. (Russian MoD)

Evidence is emerging from the conflict in Ukraine appearing to show that Russian forces are utilizing guided rockets – the 9M544 and 9M549 – with video and photographs of the remains of these types appearing across social media.

The 9M544 and 9M549 are understood to be the latest guided rockets fired from Russia's Tornado-S system. According to official information, these have a range of 120 km and a circular error probable (CEP) of 5–10 m. Images of rocket fragments with the guidance and control unit code 9B706 have appeared in areas where the 9K515 Tornado-S multiple rocket launch (MRL) system has been active.

The guided rockets have achieved an increase in range and accuracy over earlier types by equipping the nose module with cruciform aerodynamic rudders and integrating the 9B706 control system with on-board radio-electronic equipment. The 9B706 uses the CH398M strapdown inertial navigation system (SINS), which receives data from angular velocity and linear acceleration sensors. This, along with the GLONASS modules (also integrated into the 9B706 control system unit), provides a real-time data feed to generate an optimal quasi ballistic flight path for the 9M544 and 9M549 rockets.

Furthermore, the rocket's apogee is in the upper layers of the stratosphere, thereby reducing drag and supporting the increase in range.

The marked increase in accuracy versus earlier rocket types – for example, 9M55K (HE Frag) and 9M528 (HE Frag - parachute retarded) rockets, which have standard electronic time devices and a CEP of 150 m – is primarily due to the combination of the CH938M SINS and GLONASS.

The Tornado-S is a deep upgrade to the BM-30 Smerch MRL system, which it will eventually replace. The BM-30 is a family of 300 mm MRLs, designed to provide indirect fires in depth and in support of large, combined arms operations. The family is based on a common chassis – a modified MAZ-543M 8×8 cross-country truck – which gives off-road mobility. It is designed for independent operations and can conduct so-called ‘shoot and scoot' tactics.

Externally, the Tornado-S launch vehicle appears almost identical to the baseline BM-30 Smerch 9A52-2, but for a GLONASS receiver mounted on the forward-left portion of the crew compartment. Moreover, beyond this external differentiator, the upgraded mission systems include an automated digital fire control system (FCS), which enables the launcher to be automatically aimed at target co-ordinates received over the battle management system. The crew can also undertake the fires mission from within the truck cabin, instead of from the post located on the rear-left of the launcher. The external post remains however, and this is thought to be as a manual back-up in case of emergency.

Russia deploys the Tornado-S system, or complex, in brigades of four battalions. A battalion consists of three batteries with four launchers in each. Accompanying each launcher is a 9T234-2 trans loader vehicle based on the MAZ-543A 8×8 chassis, and this carries 12 rounds and is equipped with a crane.

Apart from the 12 launchers, the Tornado-S battalion includes the battalion and battery 1K 123 Vivary FCS and command-and-control (C2) units, which are housed in a K4310 fully enclosed box unit mounted on a KamAZ-4310 6 × 6 truck chassis. Each of these has its own power generator and a secure data and radio communications system that will support VHF communications to a range of 50 km and HF communications to a range of 350 km. The elements of the Vivary FCS can undertake automated or non-automated command-and-control of a Smerch-equipped MRL brigade.

The Command and Staff Vehicle (CSV) used by the brigade commander and brigade staff is also based on the KamAZ-4310 6×6. For the conflict in Ukraine, this vehicle may have been replaced by the MP32M1 unified C2 system, which is based on the KamAZ-43114 three-axle truck chassis equipped with the K4.5350 shelter. All brigade-level CSVs feature GLONASS/NAVSTAR receivers, other elements in the complex include the 1B44 meteorological station on an unarmoured ZIL-131 6×6 chassis, PM-2-70 MTO-V maintenance and repair unit also fitted to the ZIL-131, and the IT12M-2M topography vehicle which uses a GAZ-66 4×4 truck chassis.

A lighter version of the Tornado-S launcher vehicle, the 9A52-4 (6 round) MRL, is a slim-line version of the original 9A52 and 9A52-2. With six launcher tubes instead of 12, it is fitted on a Kamaz-63501 four-axle 8×8 truck chassis and is designed to be air transportable and operated by a reduced crew. This version is understood to be under development and while many media outlets are referring to the Tornado-S deployed in Ukraine as the 9A52-4, there is not yet evidence of this variant having been deployed.

In addition to the guided rockets, the Tornado-S can fire 9M55K rockets that carry 73 HE frag 9N235 or 9N210 bomblets, the anti-armour parachute retarded MOTIV-3F top attack 9M55K1 rocket, the anti-tank mine laying 9M55K4, the thermobaric fuel air explosive 9M55S, and the 9M55K7, which has a high-explosive anti-tank warhead, among others. These rockets also have extended range versions that enable them to engage targets at a range of 90 km.



You said the same thing about the M777s :rofl: you're like a broken stuck record.

The Smerchs don’t have the accuracy, digital fire control capability, and can’t reload as quickly as US rocket systems. Russian rocket systems are notoriously inaccurate which is why they have to saturate targets. US rocket systems are far superior and it’s not close.


Javelins are a huge reason why Russia lost in Kyiv and Kharkiv.

Do you have any evidence Russia is destroying M777s? They are a critical capability, but Russia has significant numerical superiority at the Eastern front. That’s why they’ve made incremental gains.

And yes, HIMARS will be game changing with the right numbers. It’s by far the biggest boost in firepower for the Ukrainians to date.
 
The Smerchs don’t have the accuracy, digital fire control capability, and can’t reload as quickly as US rocket systems. Russian rocket systems are notoriously inaccurate which is why they have to saturate targets. US rocket systems are far superior and it’s not close.


Javelins are a huge reason why Russia lost in Kyiv and Kharkiv.

Do you have any evidence Russia is destroying M777s? They are a critical capability, but Russia has significant numerical superiority at the Eastern front. That’s why they’ve made incremental gains.

And yes, HIMARS will be game changing with the right numbers. It’s by far the biggest boost in firepower for the Ukrainians to date.

No, look it up. Smearch can reload in about 20min. You're clueless about Russian systems.

No doubt the ATGM weapons have had an effect, but the main reason for heavy Russian losses, especially around Kyiv, is bad tactics, poorly trained conscripts, and outdated equipment. It's poor performance of the Russians, rather than any major weapon system.

Yes, there is evidence of the Russians destroying M777s, especially with loitering munitions, look it up in this thread, it's been posted numerous times, bet you've seen it and ignored it. I ain't gonna spoon feed you.

You don't get it. Without air cover, the M777s and HIMARS will be picked off, as the Russians have been doing.
 
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