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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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MeFishToo said:
Judging from the strikes and shelling in the south, I think the ukrainian army plans for a summer vacation at the Azov sea. The russians camping out along this southern front might experience real war very soon.
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if both side continue like this , i doubt that offensive force have that much ammo left to do anything meaningful.
i see a 200km long supply route for both side in that offensive if the storage get blown out left and right

That Guy said:
It's pretty much every war, from the world wars to the wars around the globe that made up the entirety of the cold war.

Even as recently as the Afghan war, prostitution in Afghanistan was rampant during both the US and Soviet occupations.

Back during the British invasion of Afghanistan, a bunch of Afghan prostitutes ended up marrying British soldiers and leaving with them.

During the Isis take over of Iraq and Syria sexual slavery was huge.

In the various drug wars in Latin america, prostitutes were and are still rampant. Going to Columbia or Brazil, you'll run into prostitutes at every street corner.

War and sex are closely linked.

Fun fact, after the first World War, birth rates increased exponentially in both Europe and North America leading to the generation we can baby boomers.
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oh , so you guys support exploitation of women because the war ravaged situation imposed on them take away any means of supporting themselves away from them
 
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The SC said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1662897156364152832

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662938121456033797
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those cruise missiles are long range and expensive , Russia must build a smaller version with shorter range of 500-600km that can be fired from Ukraine border from flankers.

that would be way cheaper , use 2500km-4000km missile for attacking a country that border you is beyound me , that is just waste of money and war ressource , they must keep them if it become necessary to attack targets farther away .
 
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Hack-Hook said:
those cruise missiles are long range and expensive , Russia must build a smaller version with shorter range of 500-600km that can be fired from Ukraine border from flankers.

that would be way cheaper , use 2500km-4000km missile for attacking a country that border you is beyound me , that is just waste of money and war ressource , they must keep them if it become necessary to attack targets farther away .
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They do mass produce missiles of different calibers. Russia runs war economy.
Putin will raise military spendings to $100 billion per year. Probably more. Factory runs 6 day week or even 24/7. Workers 12h shift. Even female prison inmates are involved in military production. Russia will reduce civil production of goods to a minimum. Then import what needed from China or elsewhere. War is not cheap.

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Viet said:
They do mass produce missiles of different calibers. Russia runs war economy.
Putin will raise military spendings to $100 billion per year. Probably more. Factory runs 6 day week or even 24/7. Workers 12h shift. Even female prison inmates are involved in military production. Russia will reduce civil production of goods to a minimum. Then import what needed from China or elsewhere. War is not cheap.

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Frauen eines russischen Strafvollzugslagers nähen Uniformen für das russische Militär.Bildrechte: Dehli News
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no matter if they build missile with half the size and 1/4h of the price tag , for me that make a lot more sense , than use the missile that are far more useful if it come to war with NATO for example .

a 700-800km cruise missile is far more than enough for 95% of targets in Ukraine.
i guess they think they only knew only one war scenario and think this war is also like that one and use the missiles that they built for that scenario, or maybe they don't think at all and do things based like the hammered in habit and are not able to see the difference
 
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Hack-Hook said:
those cruise missiles are long range and expensive , Russia must build a smaller version with shorter range of 500-600km that can be fired from Ukraine border from flankers.
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Russia, or any country for that matter, cannot simply build a new weapon. No one, not even Russia, know how long this war will last. Sure, Russia can start designing a new missile, but that would take resources away from the war and the hope to end it soon in Russia's favor. It will take literally yrs for Russia to field a new missile. In a war, you go and fight with what you got, and currently, things are not going well for Russia.
 
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LeGenD said:
US brought Imperial Japan to its knees by wiping out Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tokyo. Japanese leadership witnessed entire cities being erased and decided to give up. American troops arrived in Japan without having the need to fight costly battles and facing Japanese insurgency. This is the impact of strategic bombing.

Even in Vietnam, Operation Linebacker II in 1972 showed that Vietcong could be defeated: Vietcong suffered heavy losses and its mission to retake South Vietnam was delayed by 3 years. Vietcong came to the negotiation table but Nixon administration demanded one thing - withdrawal of American troops without incident. Vietcong was like this is it? Tears of joy....

Of-course, you need political will and boots on the ground to seize on the gains provided by strategic bombing missions to settle a war on acceptable terms like a winner.

But Americans have become too woke to fight like a side that should be feared as witnessed in Afghanistan.

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Did the Afghan Failure Lead to the Ukraine War? | by Carl Bildt - Project Syndicate

Carl Bildt revisits the fall of Kabul to consider its implications for America and the world, one year later.
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www.foxnews.com

Democrats vs. the military: wokeness won't win wars and keep America safe

Our military is declining, thanks in part to Democrats' woke obsessions, which put identity politics above cohesion and smear America as not worth fighting for.
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Even in Iraq, US-led forces had to conduct a large number of operations to overcome Iraqi insurgency phases and to reshape political landscape of the country.

The Theory of Limited War is a costly method with subpar outcomes.
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The approach in Afghanistan was not one of wokeness by the military but by deliberate design of the Neo-cons at the time to re-draw the influence map of the region (thank Paul Wolfwoitz, John Boulton and rest of the clowns for that) that included Afghanistan and Iraq. . That for some reason US should dominate in South Asia and the overall influence of putting the countries in its pocket was a goal (similar to how Saudi Arabia and other surrounding countries were in US sphere of influence). The tactics that worked in Saudi Arabia (influence the kings and corrupt rulers) was not going to work in Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter.

So the tactic was to go rebuild the nation and introduce value system that US wanted as a moral/just basis. It had to be sold to its own citizens that way since the rudimentary approach of 'we will redraw the influence map' was not a sellable concept to the US public but one out of 'lets get women educated' had a chance to work. This was the mission the military was given, not the one military defined because of wokeness. And it was a decision based on imperial expansion and domination for which the face was going to be rebuilding the countries, vs. wokeness out of softness in their heart.

They made the military mission impossible: winning hearts and minds and changing the entire make up of society. What the neo-con morons didn't realize is what worked in Europe during the Marshall Plan was not going to work in Asia. Europe was about accelerating and building back up to the western view of socieities that existed in WWII. Afghanistan was about imposing something that organically had never been done.

So thats the opinion on wokeness.

As for US and Japan: before Hiroshima US bombed Tokyo (firebombed) that caused equal destruction (100,000 dead). Unlike the atomic bomb, it wasn't intended to exact this sort of destruction with civilians dead. But the fire spread rapidly through the wooden structures. That was 100,000K dead.

The logic that Pearl Harbor was attacked so any attack on civilian population with 100s of thousands killed was justified is hypocritical and a farse. Pearl Harbor attack killed approximately 2,500 military combatants on a military installation. Just the Tokyo firebombing killed 40x those civilians.

So with that sort of track record, there is no basis for anybody to cry about Ukrainians being attacked by Russians. Any kind of indiscriminate attacks that Russia is conducting on civilians is a portion of lethality and violence that US demonstrated. With the logic you are putting around how US was justified to attack the cities in 1945 would mean that there is moral precedence that Russians can also the use logic to attack civilians.

I say the above not as one that supports Russia's actions or justifies it, but the need to call out the comments you are making and US's own past actions require a bit of introspection. The rest of the world knows a lot of the above facts so US loses credibility when it makes Russia to be the only evil power ever in our lifetime or 50 years before...

Hack-Hook said:
those cruise missiles are long range and expensive , Russia must build a smaller version with shorter range of 500-600km that can be fired from Ukraine border from flankers.

that would be way cheaper , use 2500km-4000km missile for attacking a country that border you is beyound me , that is just waste of money and war ressource , they must keep them if it become necessary to attack targets farther away .
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what platform are Storm Shadows can they be used for...
 
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