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Viet said:
That’s a very long list. Very nice package. I must say, Ukraine gets really nice things that will make Putin sleepless. However German tanks are still missing on the list.
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They recive Gepard, recovery tanks, bridge layer tanks... and most of the T-72 Ukraine recive are a circle deal with Germany were the donating country recive Leo2 for their T-72 given to Ukraine(same with BMP1 Marder ring exchange)... problem is...the Ukraine armed forces know the T- series tanks very well... would take a long time of training to adop a new tank which opens up completely new tactical possebilitys ... the Leo2 opens up completely new options the T-64, T-84, T-72 or T-80 can not deliver ... the next problem is logistic.... different ammunition for the main gun... and maintenance and repair.

BTW why people only tell Germany to send Leo 2... no one ask USA to send M1, UK to send CR2, France to send Leclerc or Italy to send Ariete
 
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the fact that Turkey supplies heavy weapons to Ukraine and maintains strong diplomatic ties to Russia

Make turkey the king of global diplomats

incredible by Turkey
 
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Georg said:
They recive Gepard, recovery tanks, bridge layer tanks... and most of the T-72 Ukraine recive are a circle deal with Germany were the donating country recive Leo2 for their T-72 given to Ukraine(same with BMP1 Marder ring exchange)... problem is...the Ukraine armed forces know the T- series tanks very well... would take a long time of training to adop a new tank which opens up completely new tactical possebilitys ... the Leo2 opens up completely new options the T-64, T-84, T-72 or T-80 can not deliver ... the next problem is logistic.... different ammunition for the main gun... and maintenance and repair.

BTW why people only tell Germany to send Leo 2... no one ask USA to send M1, UK to send CR2, France to send Leclerc or Italy to send Ariete
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Only because Germany had alot to loose and were hesitating from the beginning. Germany is the most powerfull country in Europe and it is essential for european security that Germany forgets the past and take the lead in a crisis like this.
 
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Our folks always understate their weapon ranges. Therefore, do not believe the "70 km range" statement for the TRLG-230. IMO that range should be at least 100 km. The second, İsmail Demir, had recently announced that the range of a TRLG type missile had been increased to 150 km. But we don't know which missile (TRLG-230 or TRLG-300?) he mentioned. There are speculations that it is TRLG-230.

By the way, that number 230 refers to the rocket diameter in mm. (Topçu Roketi Lazer Güdümlü - 230 mm) Meaning "Artillery Rocket Laser Guided - 230 mm"
 
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Paul2 said:
Lol, Kazakhstan is 5 times bigger than Ukraine, with a huge desert in the middle, and few roads.

In case of anything KZ can just retreat behind the desert, and flood Russians with their own poor conscripts.

Unlike in the democratic Ukraine, KZ president will have no qualms about troop welfare.
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However the Kazakh military and average Kazakh soldier is most likely way worse than the Ukrainian military and the average Ukrainian soldier.

Kazakhstan has barely 25 million people too with most of the population living in the South.

I think that Russia would have a WAY easier time invading Kazakhstan (most of the territory) and Russia would probably only be interested in the Northern part of Kazakhstan which is sparsely populated and lowland steppe/desert. The South would be the main problem.

Large Russian minority in Kazakhstan. Less of a Western reaction to Russia invading a Muslim majority and non-democratic country. No NATO borders next door or pro-US countries.

Ironically China would have the largest problem with Russia annexing parts of Kazakhstan or trying to turn Central Asia into a Russian sphere again. Given the Belt and Road project and Chinese ambitions in the region and using Central Asia as a Chinese trade transit to Europe, Middle East and potentially South Asia.

Anyway such an invasion is very unlikely, Russia has a hard enough time with Ukraine for them (Putin) to start another foolish/very costly invasion elsewhere.
 
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Khan2727 said:
Ironically China would have the largest problem with Russia annexing parts of Kazakhstan or trying to turn Central Asia into a Russian sphere again. Given the Belt and Road project and Chinese ambitions in the region and using Central Asia as a Chinese trade transit to Europe, Middle East and potentially South Asia.
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OBOR was an excercise on "how to waste RMB 8 trillion" for largely zero gain.

While I absolutely agree that KZ army might well be even worse off than RUAF, but the guy in power would have no qualms about sacrificing even more people, and money than Putin, i believe.

Takayev was a CPSU member, and given he was given a diplo assignment at a relatively young age, he was much higher rank than Putin.

He knew the real state of USSR economy, and military at the time of USSR's dissolution, while Putin likely didn't. That's why he is not afraid to boldly insult him in public.

Second, Orenburg region is a striking distance from KZ, and go check what Russians have there.
 
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