Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[The SC]

A lot of Russian attacks today..

 

[Beny Karachun]

With respect. I think their is misconception. Due to heavy AD manpads these choppers are flying low and targeting at very long range and there will be some issue of stabilization as they are zooming in at max effective range. Vikhr is a 12km range missile with laser beam guidance so yes the cursor has to be on target to keep it on lock mode. Laser beam is not NLOS but LOS missile so there will be these issues.

Honestly, I am puzzled by the reaction of PDF members as if Russian hardware is not good. Which is not true apart from tanks everything is working as good as any war machine. You are in enemy territory backed by NATO support and large no. of manpads. Even other choppers like Apache, Tiger, Cobra would face the same.

No lol, NATO helicopters and drones have object recognition and auto-tracking, if you were to look at Apache fire missions, you'd understand that once the Americans select the enemy tank, they don't even have to directly aim at it.

 

[LeGenD]

This isnt evidence, this is evidence:

"The Patriot defense system fails when it comes to drones or cruise missiles"

Houthi drones make Saudi Arabia an easy target – DW – 03/30/2022

A recent high-profile strike on an oil depot in Jeddah by Houthi rebels has underlined Saudi Arabia's military defense vulnerability — and threatens its reputation as a global investment location.

www.dw.com

This is not correct.

Americans have shown integrated Patriot configurations that have demonstrated the capability to shoot down drones and cruise missiles in live-fire trials at home.

The question is what type of configuration was sold to KSA.

1. It looks like Saudi air defenses are underdeveloped in its current form. Saudi radar systems might be outdated.

2. US - KSA bilateral relationship is in turbulence.

The article has raised valid points.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592646299710812160

Article 4 invoked

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592646842445352961

 

[BHAN85]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592646299710812160

Article 4 invoked

"discuss the possibility of invoking" doesnt mean "invoked".

What do you mean?
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[Hassan Al-Somal]

This is not correct.

Americans have shown integrated Patriot configurations that have demonstrated the capability to shoot down drones and cruise missiles in live-fire trials at home.

The question is what type of configuration was sold to KSA.

1. It looks like Saudi air defenses are underdeveloped in its current form. Saudi radar systems might be outdated.

2. US - KSA bilateral relationship is in turbulence.

The article has raised valid points.

I think when drones fly low, the Patriots were having problems with either recognizing them or taking them down.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

This is not correct.

Americans have shown integrated Patriot configurations that have demonstrated the capability to shoot down drones and cruise missiles in live-fire trials at home.

The question is what type of configuration was sold to KSA.

1. It looks like Saudi air defenses are underdeveloped in its current form. Saudi radar systems might be outdated.

2. US - KSA bilateral relationship is in turbulence.

The article has raised valid points.

These are lame excuses. However which way you try to spin this, Iranian drones done a number on Patriot missiles. What was protecting US bases when those Iranian BMs smashed Ain Al Assad or where they misconfigured as well?!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592646299710812160

Article 4 invoked

Oh no, an investigation! Russia is running scared!

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592616312991514625

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

This doesn't appear to be a deliberate attack

Frank Gardner

BBC News, Security Correspondent

Smoke rises in the distance, amid reports of two explosions, seen from Nowosiolki, Poland, near the border with Ukraine November 15, 2022 in this image obtained from social media
ReutersCopyright: Reuters
An image posted on social media from a town 10km away from the blast shows smoke rising into the airImage caption: An image posted on social media from a town 10km away from the blast shows smoke rising into the air
When Russian missiles are being fired at targets so close to Poland’s border, and when Ukraine’s air defences are being activated to intercept them, it was perhaps only a matter of time before something like this happened.

The fact that a missile landed on Poland’s side of the border is of course a worrying development, not just for Poland but for all the states on Russia and Ukraine’s western borders.

Moldova has already complained about the effect of Russian missiles fired close to its borders.

But what matters here is what the intended target was, whoever fired the missile. And so far there is no indication that Russia was intentionally targeting anywhere beyond Ukraine’s borders.

The Kremlin knows that such a move would potentially trigger Article 5 of Nato’s constitution, theoretically bringing the entire alliance to Poland’s defence.

That is not a place Nato wants to be in, especially just a day after Russia and America’s spy chiefs have just been meeting to discuss how to avoid unnecessary escalation in this war.

Much of Ukraine’s vital supplies of defensive weaponry passes through Poland. Were that to be deliberately targeted it would be a different matter.

But that does not appear to be the case here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63593855

Shows over, it wasnt deliberate and suggests that these missiles were accidental or Ukronazi AD misfiring. Same thing happened in Moldova. No article 5. All the chicken hawks in this thread can relax and neednt worry about hiding in the closet lol

 

[kingQamaR]

Patriots. is not designed for drone attacks. What kind of turkey would fire multi-million dollar anti-aircraft missiles at small disposable drones?

 

[LeGenD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592646299710812160

Article 4 invoked

1. Not true.

2. These lame bureaucratic proceedings show LACK of spine to respond to Russian moves in quick fashion under the garb of "investigations." As if NATO does not have surveillance assets in place to figure out what happened in Poland.

So NATO will take 1 day to call a meeting in which burgers and tea will be served to a bunch of bureaucratic cowards to reassure each other? Then NATO will take another day to condemn Russia? Then NATO will take another day to announce more sanctions on Russia? Then NATO will take another day to announce more aid to Ukraine?

About time NATO shows what it can do when up against a big power besides application of proxy warfare.

Ukraine has shown much more spine than NATO in my view. Shame.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592655009652830209

Russian missile confirmed by Poland

 

[LeGenD]

These are lame excuses. However which way you try to spin this, Iranian drones done a number on Patriot missiles. What was protecting US bases when those Iranian BMs smashed Ain Al Assad or where they misconfigured as well?!



Oh no, an investigation! Russia is running scared!

I do not make lame excuses for any side. I am Facts & Figures oriented.

US has not fielded BMDS in Iraq.

 

[Han Patriot]

1. Not true.

2. These lame bureaucratic proceedings show LACK of spine to respond to Russian moves in quick fashion under the garb of "investigations." As if NATO does not have surveillance assets in place to fugure out what happened in Poland.

So NATO will take 1 day to call a meeting in which burgers and tea will be served to a bunch of bureaucratic cowards to reassure each other? Then NATO will take another day to condemn Russia? Then NATO will take another day to announce more sanctions on Russia? Then NATO will take another day to announce more aid to Ukraine?

About time NATO shows what it can do when up against a big power besides application of proxy warfare.

Ukraine has shown much more spine than NATO in my view. Shame.

I will bet it's gonna be more sanctions as usual and more weapons as usual. And the cheerleaders will shout for blood as usual. Nobody has the balls!