Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[A.P. Richelieu]

Ukraine was a sovereign country until western agencies invaded it with their agents and put a puppet of their own in the government who acted completely against the farewell of Ukrainian people and wanted to give west a lap dance. that threaten Russian Interest.
This was bigger threat to Russia than the so called Weapons of Mass Destruction Iraq has...
Ukraine cannot change its location and hence its neighbors, therefore it shouldn't try to become a security risk for its neighbors.
I am not vouching for Russian attack on Ukraine,

So why are you lying your teeth out then?

Ukraine is and was a sovereign country and when the President was about to be impeached in 2014 for selling out Ukraine to Russia, he escaped to Russia with the help of Russian FSB agents. The Ukrainan parliament selected an acting President with 180-0. Yanukovich was still President until his term expired in 2015.
Ukraine then voted in a new President.
Yanukovich was later tried in absentia and found guilty of treason.

but Ukraine should do what is best for it and its people, not their lord America.

That is what they are doing, kicking Russian butts.

If you are fiend with both Russia and EU, who would attack on you? but if western agencies install a puppet in the office who wants to make enemy of Russia, what do you expect?

You definition of a Western installed puppet seems to be someone which is not a Russian puppet.
Russia/Soviet is an enemy of all its neighbours since a century.

Your assertions typically have some sound facts behind them. But here your defence of France is falling well short of reason. This is almost the equivalent of saying that a meteor is about to strike the planet, every country is throwing all its resources to build something that deflects the meteor but France decides to do nothing, but we should be happy that France has a GDP that contributes to the rest of the world so should find that acceptable (and it contributes to rest of the world through some the ugliest cars ever built and wine that its own population is reducing how much it drinks).

This does not make sense. Statistics show that France contribute more than the UK and the United States compared to GDP.

Your example say that countries which pool the resources to deflect the meteor does not count, only countryspecific initiatives.

Is that really so hard to understand?

As for FCAS : yes I am familiar but it will take more than a wiki entry to have confidence in this. Germany is the partner and already with F-35. While it has assured the French (who were upset at Germany for ordering the F-35) that this does not change German participation, once the F35s start to get delivered and perform, I see the Germans going a different direction.

And add to this the fact that France has a bad track record with multi-national fighter programs. It didn’t promote the Jaguar or improved it to favore Mirage 2000 development. ANd then while countries around it went with Tornado and then Typhoon, France has gone it alone. They have no record of being good team players in multi-national fighter programs so FCAS wiki is about all this is ever going to amount to.

France might certainly go it alone.

 

[kingQamaR]

For the type of fighting we are seeing - the A1's are sufficient for now and allows for the addition of combat mass to Ukraine since most of the EU has basically run out of spare T-72/derivative tanks ... Russia has nothing that can compete with the existing M1/Challengers/Leopards that Ukraine already has in it's arsenal.

I am still waiting for the americans to buy the 300 odd T-80UD's from Pakistan for the same cost of a new VT-4 Tank on a 1:1 basis ( unlikely to happen - but hey ..)

Also, South Korea imported 35 of T80 and 33 BMP-3 in late 90s South Korea had lent billions of dollars to Russia. Unable to repay the money due to the worsening economic situation Russia did a barter deal with military equipment instead . South Korean owned T-80s and BMP-3 are better maintained and better modernised than Russians or Ukrainian stocks . I’m baffled why they’ve not been requested by Ally’s to be transferred to Kiev ASAP ?

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705954928923906242

 

[aziqbal]

So why are you lying your teeth out then?

Ukraine is and was a sovereign country and when the President was about to be impeached in 2014 for selling out Ukraine to Russia, he escaped to Russia with the help of Russian FSB agents. The Ukrainan parliament selected an acting President with 180-0. Yanukovich was still President until his term expired in 2015.
Ukraine then voted in a new President.
Yanukovich was later tried in absentia and found guilty of treason.



That is what they are doing, kicking Russian butts.


You definition of a Western installed puppet seems to be someone which is not a Russian puppet.
Russia/Soviet is an enemy of all its neighbours since a century.



This does not make sense. Statistics show that France contribute more than the UK and the United States compared to GDP.

Your example say that countries which pool the resources to deflect the meteor does not count, only countryspecific initiatives.

Is that really so hard to understand?




France might certainly go it alone.

why do you Europeans hate each other so much ?

cant you live in peace for once in a century

 

[Viet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705898464335237401

Wow that’s an impressive list.
By these threats Putin and his gangs had nuked Ukraine and the world multiple times over.

 

[Viet]

why do you Europeans hate each other so much ?

cant you live in peace for once in a century

Only Russia
The Russians are poor, desperate, alone. They only love themselves. The only exception is their love for China. nobody else. They hate the EU the most. Any war between EU nations can be ruled out for the next 100 years.

What happens to Russia hunger game?
The second transport ships carrying Ukraine grains have reached Turkey with final destinations Israel and Ägypten. Previously Putin threatens to bomb all civil ships to ashes.

 

[khansaheeb]

Russia has finally realised that Ukraine has joined NATO all but in name:-

U.S. is ‘directly at war’ with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says - NewsBreak

The United States is "directly at war" with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

www.newsbreak.com

U.S. is ‘directly at war’ with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says​

By Adam Schrader,
17 hours ago
Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The United States is "directly at war" with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

The United States is “directly at war” with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York. Photo by Jason Szenes/UPI
Lavrov made his remarks just over half an hour into a lengthy question-and-answer session with reporters, which was broadcast by Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Twitter. He had been asked at what point would the U.S. be at war with Russia as opposed to being described as a "proxy conflict."

"There are legal norms pursuant to which a country is identified as being a direct party to hostilities and Western countries are doing everything possible to avoid them, not to mention them," Lavrov said. "They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us using the Ukrainians as fodder."
Lavrov said that those who are following developments in the war can "know perfectly well that the Americans and the British and many others are engaged in hostilities."
"They are waging war with us. There are deliveries of more and more volumes of quantities of weapons," Lavrov said.
His comments mark the clearest delineation made yet about how Russia views its tensions with the United States stemming from its invasion of Ukraine .
Lavrov pointed to the billions of dollars worth of weapons provided to Ukraine as well as the training of Ukrainian military instructors "in Poland, Germany, and the United Kingdom" as evidence of U.S. involvement in the war.

"I am certain that there are instructors working in large quantities on Ukrainian soil as well. And of course, there are many mercenaries there, many of whom are official officers but their mercenary status allows them to avoid the crossing of that legal threshold," Lavrov claimed.
Lavrov's comments responded to a question about a recent report in TopWar, a Russian blog registered with the state's Roskomnadzor regulators, claiming that a U.S. Air Force plane was spotted near Crimea during a missile strike carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It could not be confirmed by UPI.
"U.S. and British reconnaissance planes are not only working to identify objectives and targets but are showing where our anti-air defenses are working so next time they could help," Lavrov said.

"So, you can call this whatever you want to call it, but they are directly at war with us. We call it the hybrid war but it doesn't change the reality."

 

[aziqbal]

Only Russia
The Russians are poor, desperate, alone. They only love themselves. The only exception is their love for China. nobody else. They hate the EU the most. Any war between EU nations can be ruled out for the next 100 years.

What happens to Russia hunger game?
The second transport ships carrying Ukraine grains have reached Turkey with final destinations Israel and Ägypten. Previously Putin threatens to bomb all civil ships to ashes.

Russia is Russia

its a global power with ALOT of nukes

they also have plenty of manpower, land and resources

a self sufficient entity

they can behave the way they like and no one can do anything about it not even China

NATO can bark but thats it

 

[Ali_Baba]

Russia has finally realised that Ukraine has joined NATO all but in name:-

U.S. is ‘directly at war’ with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says - NewsBreak

The United States is "directly at war" with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

www.newsbreak.com

U.S. is ‘directly at war’ with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says​

By Adam Schrader,
17 hours ago
Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The United States is "directly at war" with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York.

The United States is “directly at war” with Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday, after the close of the high-level week of the 78th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York. Photo by Jason Szenes/UPI
Lavrov made his remarks just over half an hour into a lengthy question-and-answer session with reporters, which was broadcast by Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Twitter. He had been asked at what point would the U.S. be at war with Russia as opposed to being described as a "proxy conflict."

"There are legal norms pursuant to which a country is identified as being a direct party to hostilities and Western countries are doing everything possible to avoid them, not to mention them," Lavrov said. "They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us using the Ukrainians as fodder."
Lavrov said that those who are following developments in the war can "know perfectly well that the Americans and the British and many others are engaged in hostilities."
"They are waging war with us. There are deliveries of more and more volumes of quantities of weapons," Lavrov said.
His comments mark the clearest delineation made yet about how Russia views its tensions with the United States stemming from its invasion of Ukraine .
Lavrov pointed to the billions of dollars worth of weapons provided to Ukraine as well as the training of Ukrainian military instructors "in Poland, Germany, and the United Kingdom" as evidence of U.S. involvement in the war.

"I am certain that there are instructors working in large quantities on Ukrainian soil as well. And of course, there are many mercenaries there, many of whom are official officers but their mercenary status allows them to avoid the crossing of that legal threshold," Lavrov claimed.
Lavrov's comments responded to a question about a recent report in TopWar, a Russian blog registered with the state's Roskomnadzor regulators, claiming that a U.S. Air Force plane was spotted near Crimea during a missile strike carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It could not be confirmed by UPI.
"U.S. and British reconnaissance planes are not only working to identify objectives and targets but are showing where our anti-air defenses are working so next time they could help," Lavrov said.

"So, you can call this whatever you want to call it, but they are directly at war with us. We call it the hybrid war but it doesn't change the reality."

This is just silly propaganda by Lavrov to try and explain to the Russian people on why the Russian miitary is performing so poorly in Ukraine, and nothing else. Best that he is ignored from now on.

I feel sorry for him - once he was a professional career diplomat of substance - but his career is ending as the frontman propagandist for a dillusional fool angry by perceived injustices of time past. No one can take him seriously anymore ...

 

[Mohsin A]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705908256206405889

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705810843827364199

 

[khansaheeb]

This is just silly propaganda by Lavrov to try and explain to the Russian people on why the Russian miitary is performing so poorly in Ukraine, and nothing else. Best that he is ignored from now on.

I feel sorry for him - once he was a professional career diplomat of substance - but his career is ending as the frontman propagandist for a dillusional fool angry by perceived injustices of time past. No one can take him seriously anymore ...

The ground realities say otherwise, Russia is fighting NATO no two ways about it. Ukraine lost the war against Russia long time ago.

 

[Mohsin A]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705717041746026998

 

[K_Bin_W]

The ground realities say otherwise, Russia is fighting NATO no two ways about it. Ukraine lost the war against Russia long time ago.

Ukraine doesn't stand a chance against Russia its 100% a NATO show.

If Russia wins Ukraine loses.
If Russia loses NATO won.

 

[Mohsin A]

To the last Ukrainian....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705843099430195529

 

[Mohsin A]

Keep them coming....All will be burnt in the blast furnace and used to churn out newer modern equipment for Moscow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705525224047890802

A few brown sahib's on this forum must be proud!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705705459465015499