Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[zartosht]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619058078158319618

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619058083980005376

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619058090804150277

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619058104548872192

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619058113105252354

Hahahaha typical cartoonish western propaganda

“oh look our tank is bigger, has better seat cushions and better electronics!!”

In the real world, in anything remotely resembling a real war… this happens:

A basic atgm will shred them just the same

Factor in cost, maintenance, training, Russian air and artillery dominance

And these tanks are expensive graves foor poor ukie crews.

 

[TopGun786]

Certainly let’s start by having tribunals for Muslims killing tens of thousands to 100s of thousands just in the last 40 years and then also against US. Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Iraq and Iran.

The reason Muslims (I am one) get picked off is because we set the precedence through our own killings because of stupid ideological / religious / or tribal idology

It's a sad reality.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Do you have any source of information from any credible source (even Russian media) vs. just pasting Twitter or YouTube? For everyone you post here there is an opposing YouTube interview so its worthless.

What you are stating is Russians are really more pathetic than originally thought: for 8:1 superior ratio, they still can’t take over Kiev, and have maintained to lose half the territory they originally captured, and having strategic bases in Russia attacked.

This is the poor performance with an 8:1 kill ration advantage. Imagine what it would be if the number was closer to 4:1 kill ratio advantage.

You are not looking Putin and his idiots look smart when you put stats like this. Use some of your own analytical skills.

And now go ahead do what you do best: release an abuse to show your true Self And be on the path to be banned again (eventually)

Just listen to the video instead of arguing for the sake of arguments. Not sure what you call "credible sources", but people like you would take BBC, CNN, NYT, WB, and other Western elites' outlets as the official "credible" sources. So anyone who tries to convince you anything is just wasting his time.

It is obvious though that the Ukrainians are suffering high casualty rates. It took the US government to dispatch the CIA director to Ukraine to warn the Zelenssky puppet that keeping close to 100,000 Ukraine soldiers in and around Bakhmut is not sustainable. They ordered him to gradually withdraw. If the attrition rate was not so high, the US government would not be concerned about it.

We can also see the panic found within the Western elites lately. Some even went further to claim that they are at war against Russia. And some like the below fella claimed, in order to fight Russia, the NATO "alliance must rearm". So truth is there if you want to see.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619405916050460673

 

[zectech]

The loss of Bakhmut is not important. The soldiers there are more important and their equipment is more important than Bakhmut. NATO gave Ukraine a large amount of anti-tank weapons. These have to remain in Ukrainian hands. And Ukraine needs more soldiers, not less, to fight the Russians. Being encircled and captured is the defeat. Living to fight tomorrow and having your expensive weapons is hope for Ukraine.

Ukraine has to develop traps and counter-offensive tactics to punish Russia for human wave attacks. Ukraine has been prepared for mechanized attacks in 2022. Add more Russian troops to the equation and things get more difficult for Ukraine. Artillery is needed to match firepower with firepower.

 

[zectech]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619405916050460673

Europe must be told and figure out that the old days of Europe as safe and secure is over. The post-cold war era is over with Trump and Putin. These smashed the old system of US protecting Europe. Europe has no reliable partner to crush Russia. Europe has be the army that defeats a Russian invasion. Uncle Sam is not going to save Ukraine or NATO Europe.

Today's Republican Party is a political crime family — and we know who the godfather is

Today's Republican Party is a political crime family — and we know who the godfather is

Organized crime prizes unquestioned loyalty above all else. Those who violate the code — hello, Liz! — get whacked

www.salon.com

MI5 refused to investigate ‘Russian spy’s’ links to Tories, says whistleblower

MI5 refused to investigate ‘Russian spy’s’ links to Tories, says whistleblower

Party member lodges a complaint about the security services ignoring attempt of Russian infiltration into the Conservatives

www.theguardian.com

Because the Tories and Putin/Oligarchs are in on it together, with Trump, with Brexit.

UK and the US are not going to save Europe. That was never the plan. Europe must re-arm and get nuclear weapons.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

They are already shitting in their pants before they send their Challenger tanks. UK, the center of all evil, is already worrying about Russian armed forces capturing their tanks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619388705382498305

 

[Viet]

Not by US standards. If I fly just twice a week, even with zero sim time, I can be combat ready in 12-18 months. We are talking about after initial flight training, as in never flew before. Once I am done with basic flight training and assigned to a new unit, as long as I fly on a twice weekly basis, I can be wing on combat missions in 12-18 months, maybe even less if we are on a war tempo, which the Ukrainians were.

I mean starting as pilot trainee would require longer in training than let’s say from trained pilot. I am not military man at all, just talking from technical, engineering standpoint.

 

[Viet]

They key there is long range missiles, and ECM.

AMRAAM outshoots all, but R-37 and R-27 missiles in Russian service.

The problem is Russians been using their longest range missile R-37M a lot, and they shoot them blindly, and, as confirmed by Ukraine, Russia did score kills using them like that.

By that logic no army in the world needs fighter jets, what you need is wooden aircraft with long range missiles.
Where are Russia aircraft in this war?
Virtually non existent. except as terror bombers.
Interesting for an army with one of largest aviations in the world.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619418904711008262

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I was not favouring Russia nor I am on their side.i just wanted to say USA have bigger list of crimes but there was no investigation or petition.

That is because your fantasies are not a basis for investigations.
And they do not belong in this thread.

 

[jhungary]

Well, i was not in charge...

Then what's the point??

Well, even the understated numbers of cocainsky were much higher than the numbers you tried unterzujubeln (cant find english expression - no its not cheer) some posts ago.

I never made any prediction on casualty; I did make a point by giving a ballpark figure. And no, that figure if I remember is actually build on when Zelenskyy said they were suffering 200 killed a day, and that is the "HEIGHT" of Russian offensive when they were trying to take Severodonetsk, which is back in June/July when the war was only 6-month-old. The calculation back then was about 100,000 casualties, because 200 a day killed, by June 30 the war is 126 days old, with 200 killed a day at max point, that's 25,200 deaths, again, 1 to 3 deaths to wounded ratio, which mean you will have 75000 wounded, thus 100,000 casualties.

Up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers are being killed every day by Russian forces, Zelenskyy aide says

Russia has "thrown pretty much everything non-nuclear at the front" in its bid to advance in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region.

www.cbsnews.com

Even if we are talking about now, 349 days of war, if we still use that high tempo number of 200 days killed, the death toll would be 69800 killed again with 1 to 3 KIA/WIA ratio, you get 200,000 wounded which mean you are talking about 260,000 casualty if EVERYDAY is like when Russia attacking Siverodonetsk, which have not seen since then. Which mean if we go by the traditional estimation, even with Zelenskyy appalling number, it would not be more than 300,000, which is roughly the same number of Russian request for mobilised soldier.

But again, that is just ballpark figure using the highest ceiling. Not any estimation at all.

Well, i estimated till today:



So i dont know from where you came up with "1.3 million casualities"

I misread you said 150,000 recover with 150,000 extra casualty, so when I did my calculation that's 350,000 + 800,000 + 150,000.

But even if it's 1.15 millions, that wouldn't really change much, because it only bump it back to 310k soldier left, instead of 200,000-, again, going back to the original figure you claimed 460,000 + 1,000,000 reserve, it's still 1.46 millions. So are you saying that 1.46 million can push back Russian Assault with 300,000 mobilised soldier with 2 Successful Counter Offensive meanwhile have the number to hold off Northern and Southern Border if they had suffered 1.15 millions casualty??

 

[jhungary]

Yes, Azov is Ukrainian police, not the military. It was a big surprise to me when I was first told that military on the lines do not meet them often, nor share did they share the chain of command formally with them. In practice, they do get subordinated to local command regardless.

Yes, most Pro-Russian folks here talk like Azov is a major part of Ukrainian military, in fact, it was nothing more than a special police battalion, it wasn't even integrated into Ukrainian military before the war, they were like border guard or something like that before being assigned to Ukrainian National Guard which would still be a paramilitary police battalion, would not have organised military training, but was sent to Donbas during ATO as part of volunteer troop, it was only seen as regular Ukrainian military unit either immediately before or after the Russian invasion.

This is one of the most stigmatised, if not the most, unit with Ukrainian Military structure, I would say if Russian had not invaded, it would most likely never would have assigned to Ukrainian military forces, or may even be disbanded outright for its movement associated to.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Hahahaha typical cartoonish western propaganda

“oh look our tank is bigger, has better seat cushions and better electronics!!”

In the real world, in anything remotely resembling a real war… this happens:

A basic atgm will shred them just the same

Factor in cost, maintenance, training, Russian air and artillery dominance

And these tanks are expensive graves foor poor ukie crews.

Abrams and Bradley’s can see and shoot farther than any Russian tanks. Abrams are light years beyond Russian tanks.

Abrams and Bradley’s have a long history of destroying Russian armor. No one is saying Abrams annd Bradleys are indestructible. Just that they’ll destroy many times more pieces of Russian armor, destroy Russian lines, and help retake Ukrainian territory.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619354148474097664

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619354677027696641

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619360051944394752

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619442326207868929

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619310488948703233