Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615379916366684160

 

[khansaheeb]

I hope the Ukrainians feel for the plight of the Palestinians , this song very much applies to the Ukrainians:-

 

[zectech]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615253772141268992

On the Syrian civil war thread, I posted a message in 2020 - the easiest way to win a war is with these pockets. Have pincer movements to surround enemy. You are able to win the war in weeks with these successful tactics.

To counter them Ukraine needs to set traps to rout the attackers. The specifics of the trap/counter-offensive would depend on the type of assault the Russians are sending.

Ukraine needs better tactics/strategy and more arms from the UK and US to stop these from happening again.

When pincer bulges emerge on the line, you can encircle them to prevent a pincer. Or encircle the pincer when it is trying to encircle you. Or have a trap/counter ready. Each with different arms, tactics, depending on the enemy attack.

Things may get challenging for Ukraine, Putin is planning to severely outnumber Ukrainians. Making defeating the Russians more difficult.

 

[Viet]

Surprise surprise

Rheinmetall can deliver up to 15 leopards 2 to Ukraine this year.

Krauss-Meiffei can probably deliver the same number.

Rüstungsindustrie kann Leopard-Panzer doch schneller an Ukraine liefern

Wenn die Bundesregierung bald bestellt, könnte die Industrie noch in diesem Jahr bis zu 15 aufbereitete Leopard-2-Panzer liefern. Deutschland könnte Kiew noch mehr Fahrzeuge schicken, wenn andere Panzer umgewidmet werden.

m.faz.net

 

[aviator_fan]

How many mercenaries from the West ran back to their countries? How is this guy different?

Did your fake sources report any Black Water or similar operating company in Ukraine on a paid basis?

You also missed the key point: the mercenary defected to the adversary (Wagner to NATO). This is not about the Wagner cowards running to Russia to getting criminals, but going to Norway.

So your question would be who from the NATO equivalent of Wagner has defected to Russia? Please share a random twitter feed from equally random people that shows a person like this

Like I have said multiple times before, despite what the media tells us, the actual situation on the ground is dire for Ukraine. If needed, Russia can send wave after wave till Ukraine gives in. No matter what the West supplies, it won't change the outcome. Either Ukraine gives up the Donbass and negotiates a ceasefire, or it suffers endlessly. If the West sends in weapons which cross Moscow's red line, then unfortunately things will escalate towards WW3 which isn't good for any of us!
The clown in Kiev should stop being a D!cK and come to the negotiation table to stop the suffering of "his" people.

I think the d!ck in Moscow should stop acting like a clown and also come to the negotiating table and try to crawl out of the certain economic decline path (its not felt yet) he has put the entire Russian population on and negotiate.

You may be right that media on either side can be manipulated. But if the defeat was this significant, you won't be seeing NATO getting ready to supply armor. If Ukraine was a lost cause because of one conflagration over a salt mine, then NATO would be playing a different tune right now.

 

[PakFactor]

I hope the Ukrainians feel for the plight of the Palestinians , this song very much applies to the Ukrainians:-

They wouldn’t. They freely took a joy ride to Iraq to kill. Let’s not forget the stark difference in treatment Ukrainians received versus other refugees entering other Eurozone countries. You think if things go down, they'll care about olive-skinned Palestineans.

Anyways, it seems the Ukrainians are also recruiting child soldiers. The comment is funny though; cause she's throwing praise. Had this been a Russian video, she’d be on her menstrual cycle swearing at Putin.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615420215055028256

 

[RescueRanger]

As like the US got its *** kicked in Afghanistan and Vietnam, Russia would find victory difficult and elusive with capturing and holding Ukraine.

Russia went for it in an imperialistic agenda not too different to US expeditions. Like we call Russians as nazi invaders here with the Ukraine war, the Americans have been beaten up failed nazi invaders with their attempts in Vietnam and Afghanistan. NAFO losers bitter about their defeats are rushing in to meaningless internet discussions to trample on the Russians attempting the same. Imperialists deserve what they get here and there.

Pro US boys like to talk tough on the internet but get their asses destroyed by farmers with AKs. These boys have fucked around with shepherds and found out they can't beat shepherds. Need to vent against Russians having a go. Whole thing is a big fat LOL. Can't even really load their guns against North Korea or Iran. Shaking hands and fingers at the mention of the word Iran already and believe they may take on Russia head on? Global South should take out the popcorn enjoy the show boys, the wankers are about to **** each other.

I don't know what to make of this post, firstly Taliban are NOT farmers with AK's, this is a common misconception that people share who have never dealt with Taliban fighters or the tactics they use. Secondly, the US did show tremendous restraint in Afghanistan. If the US truly wanted to bring its military might to bear they could have annihilated the Taliban and most of Afghanistan in one fell swoop, but the issue with that was the fallout in a MNNA next door and the fact that such excessive use of force would be bad PR.

But make no mistake, the US in Afghanistan failed because of:

a) a corrupt Afghan Government which was largely made up of people in power through personal contacts, Pashtun's were marginalised and fringe voices were supressed which gave rise to a power vacuum outside of Kabul, a vacuum that the Taliban filled.

b) The US and her allies injected billions of $$ into the ANA which everyone warned was the "Hashish Army" incapable of even the most basic military operations. Sure they had the ANA Commando Brigade which was professionally trained and reports have stated numerous times how this brigade did the bulk of the heavy lifting for the ANA, the vast majority of the ANA were just warm bodies lacking the will to fight or serve their nation, they certainly didn't want to fight the Taliban which gave rise to green on blue incidents that have been reported in the media numerous times. There was a serious issue with security vetting of both ANA soldiers, officers, command, contractors and even covert interpreters which is why so few have had their asylum applications processed because there was a "risk" and "threat" these guys were feeding information to tali's.

c) the Afghan National Police and the Afghan Local Police were corrupt and in cahoots with powerful tribal warlords with links to the Taliban, the ANP high command in Kabul were largely despised by Afghan's who were Pashtun because of enforced disappearances, wrongful arrest.

d) lastly Pakistan has some blame to shoulder, we had a perfect opportunity to be the anvil for the hammer when it came to breaking the Taliban's back but despite numerous back door channel communication with the US about the rising anti-Pak sentiment in the ANA and limited hostile cross border actions by the ANA the US didn't really develop or consider any confidence building measures between the ANA and Pakistan post 2007, the last contingent of Afghan Police and Paramilitaries to be trained by Pakistani forces was in 2007, after this period Hamid Karzai did a 180 on his strategy of engagement with Pakistan and what you saw was a Pakistan desperate to control what it saw was a growing army with a budget funded by the US that eclipsed it's own and with strong links to India as senior officer corps and junior officers were now being sent to India to train under tutelage of Indian Army Officer Training college.
There were other issues as well which was the double game the ANA played with regards to the flow of militants and arms particularly in the Kharotabad refugee camp in Pakistan and the Pishin refugee camp, the one in Peshawar was shut down many years prior to control this threat but the flow of US/NATO equipment and weapons remained.

Some visual aids for you:

Heck less than a month after Kabul falling an entire shipment of Panasonic Toughbooks and GETAC Laptops were seized in Peshawar which still had US DOD security markings:

Entire containers of weapons, ammo, NVGs, MRE's, body armour, helmets, and personal affects were seized by Pakistan rangers and FC, but the flow was never ending. How did this come into Pakistan, was it all the work of the nascent tali funding program or something far sinister? The million dollar question points back to Kabul and it's lack of will to control the border with Pakistan.

Pakistan as I have said is not innocent in all of this, that much is documented but Pakistan did what it had to for it's own internal security and regional security posture. Ultimately the blame for the failure of Afghanistan and it's fall to the Taliban rests squarely on the shoulders of the Afghans and their corrupt government.

How was THIS meant to fight a determined enemy:

Any of the SIGAR reports will verify the above:

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-21-46-LL.pdf

@jhungary has served in Afghan and fought the Taliban, as I have first hand experience of training the Afghan Police and working in Afghanistan along with a on ground understanding of what the TTP are capable of in Pakistan, dismissing them as just "farmers with AK's" is very simple minded.

Apologies to other members for the long post and for hijacking this thread, I just wanted to set the record straight.

 

[The SC]

Russia Flies Bombers Over Arctic Live : Tu-160 Strategic Bombers Perform Flight Over Neutral Waters​

 

[jhungary]

I don't know what to make of this post, firstly Taliban are NOT farmers with AK's, this is a common misconception that people share who have never dealt with Taliban fighters or the tactics they use. Secondly, the US did show tremendous restraint in Afghanistan. If the US truly wanted to bring its military might to bear they could have annihilated the Taliban and most of Afghanistan in one fell swoop, but the issue with that was the fallout in a MNNA next door and the fact that such excessive use of force would be bad PR.

But make no mistake, the US in Afghanistan failed because of:

a) a corrupt Afghan Government which was largely made up of people in power through personal contacts, Pashtun's were marginalised and fringe voices were supressed which gave rise to a power vacuum outside of Kabul, a vacuum that the Taliban filled.

b) The US and her allies injected billions of $$ into the ANA which everyone warned was the "Hashish Army" incapable of even the most basic military operations. Sure they had the ANA Commando Brigade which was professionally trained and reports have stated numerous times how this brigade did the bulk of the heavy lifting for the ANA, the vast majority of the ANA were just warm bodies lacking the will to fight or serve their nation, they certainly didn't want to fight the Taliban which gave rise to green on blue incidents that have been reported in the media numerous times. There was a serious issue with security vetting of both ANA soldiers, officers, command, contractors and even covert interpreters which is why so few have had their asylum applications processed because there was a "risk" and "threat" these guys were feeding information to tali's.

c) the Afghan National Police and the Afghan Local Police were corrupt and in cahoots with powerful tribal warlords with links to the Taliban, the ANP high command in Kabul were largely despised by Afghan's who were Pashtun because of enforced disappearances, wrongful arrest.

d) lastly Pakistan has some blame to shoulder, we had a perfect opportunity to be the anvil for the hammer when it came to breaking the Taliban's back but despite numerous back door channel communication with the US about the rising anti-Pak sentiment in the ANA and limited hostile cross border actions by the ANA the US didn't really develop or consider any confidence building measures between the ANA and Pakistan post 2007, the last contingent of Afghan Police and Paramilitaries to be trained by Pakistani forces was in 2007, after this period Hamid Karzai did a 180 on his strategy of engagement with Pakistan and what you saw was a Pakistan desperate to control what it saw was a growing army with a budget funded by the US that eclipsed it's own and with strong links to India as senior officer corps and junior officers were now being sent to India to train under tutelage of Indian Army Officer Training college.
There were other issues as well which was the double game the ANA played with regards to the flow of militants and arms particularly in the Kharotabad refugee camp in Pakistan and the Pishin refugee camp, the one in Peshawar was shut down many years prior to control this threat but the flow of US/NATO equipment and weapons remained.

Some visual aids for you:

Heck less than a month after Kabul falling an entire shipment of Panasonic Toughbooks and GETAC Laptops were seized in Peshawar which still had US DOD security markings:
View attachment 911846

Entire containers of weapons, ammo, NVGs, MRE's, body armour, helmets, and personal affects were seized by Pakistan rangers and FC, but the flow was never ending. How did this come into Pakistan, was it all the work of the nascent tali funding program or something far sinister? The million dollar question points back to Kabul and it's lack of will to control the border with Pakistan.

Pakistan as I have said is not innocent in all of this, that much is documented but Pakistan did what it had to for it's own internal security and regional security posture. Ultimately the blame for the failure of Afghanistan and it's fall to the Taliban rests squarely on the shoulders of the Afghans and their corrupt government.

How was THIS meant to fight a determined enemy:

Any of the SIGAR reports will verify the above:

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-21-46-LL.pdf

@jhungary has served in Afghan and fought the Taliban, as I have first hand experience of training the Afghan Police and working in Afghanistan along with a on ground understanding of what the TTP are capable of in Pakistan, dismissing them as just "farmers with AK's" is very simple minded.

Apologies to other members for the long post and for hijacking this thread, I just wanted to set the record straight.

I usually don't answer question like "How do you lose to a bunch of farmers" when I was asked. I just smile and carry on.

Most people have no idea how war are fought and those people tend to come up with question like this. Like "How do you lose to a backward enemy" Things is, sure, Taliban don't have the stuff that we have, they don't have high tech stuff like NVG, they don't have anything that match us in term of tech and firepower. But the question is, does it matter in a 5 meters engagement? You still have to go thru the process of out maneuver and out flanking your enemy to flush them out. All the tech will only help you a bit, but at the end of the day, the distant between you and Taliban would negate such advantage. And then Taliban have home ground advantage.

Most of what the Jungle Phase in Ranger School is the direct knowledge of what we learn from Vietcong during Vietnam war. We learn those stuff from them, and if the US Army ever decided to open a COIN school (I think they have one with CIA, not Army) they will most likely teaches soldier from the stuff we learn from the Taliban.

As the old saying goes, if you think these people are just a bunch of backward farmers, you probably had already lost at that point.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't know what to make of this post, firstly Taliban are NOT farmers with AK's, this is a common misconception that people share who have never dealt with Taliban fighters or the tactics they use. Secondly, the US did show tremendous restraint in Afghanistan. If the US truly wanted to bring its military might to bear they could have annihilated the Taliban and most of Afghanistan in one fell swoop, but the issue with that was the fallout in a MNNA next door and the fact that such excessive use of force would be bad PR.

But make no mistake, the US in Afghanistan failed because of:

a) a corrupt Afghan Government which was largely made up of people in power through personal contacts, Pashtun's were marginalised and fringe voices were supressed which gave rise to a power vacuum outside of Kabul, a vacuum that the Taliban filled.

b) The US and her allies injected billions of $$ into the ANA which everyone warned was the "Hashish Army" incapable of even the most basic military operations. Sure they had the ANA Commando Brigade which was professionally trained and reports have stated numerous times how this brigade did the bulk of the heavy lifting for the ANA, the vast majority of the ANA were just warm bodies lacking the will to fight or serve their nation, they certainly didn't want to fight the Taliban which gave rise to green on blue incidents that have been reported in the media numerous times. There was a serious issue with security vetting of both ANA soldiers, officers, command, contractors and even covert interpreters which is why so few have had their asylum applications processed because there was a "risk" and "threat" these guys were feeding information to tali's.

c) the Afghan National Police and the Afghan Local Police were corrupt and in cahoots with powerful tribal warlords with links to the Taliban, the ANP high command in Kabul were largely despised by Afghan's who were Pashtun because of enforced disappearances, wrongful arrest.

d) lastly Pakistan has some blame to shoulder, we had a perfect opportunity to be the anvil for the hammer when it came to breaking the Taliban's back but despite numerous back door channel communication with the US about the rising anti-Pak sentiment in the ANA and limited hostile cross border actions by the ANA the US didn't really develop or consider any confidence building measures between the ANA and Pakistan post 2007, the last contingent of Afghan Police and Paramilitaries to be trained by Pakistani forces was in 2007, after this period Hamid Karzai did a 180 on his strategy of engagement with Pakistan and what you saw was a Pakistan desperate to control what it saw was a growing army with a budget funded by the US that eclipsed it's own and with strong links to India as senior officer corps and junior officers were now being sent to India to train under tutelage of Indian Army Officer Training college.
There were other issues as well which was the double game the ANA played with regards to the flow of militants and arms particularly in the Kharotabad refugee camp in Pakistan and the Pishin refugee camp, the one in Peshawar was shut down many years prior to control this threat but the flow of US/NATO equipment and weapons remained.

Some visual aids for you:

Heck less than a month after Kabul falling an entire shipment of Panasonic Toughbooks and GETAC Laptops were seized in Peshawar which still had US DOD security markings:
View attachment 911846

Entire containers of weapons, ammo, NVGs, MRE's, body armour, helmets, and personal affects were seized by Pakistan rangers and FC, but the flow was never ending. How did this come into Pakistan, was it all the work of the nascent tali funding program or something far sinister? The million dollar question points back to Kabul and it's lack of will to control the border with Pakistan.

Pakistan as I have said is not innocent in all of this, that much is documented but Pakistan did what it had to for it's own internal security and regional security posture. Ultimately the blame for the failure of Afghanistan and it's fall to the Taliban rests squarely on the shoulders of the Afghans and their corrupt government.

How was THIS meant to fight a determined enemy:

Any of the SIGAR reports will verify the above:

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-21-46-LL.pdf

@jhungary has served in Afghan and fought the Taliban, as I have first hand experience of training the Afghan Police and working in Afghanistan along with a on ground understanding of what the TTP are capable of in Pakistan, dismissing them as just "farmers with AK's" is very simple minded.

Apologies to other members for the long post and for hijacking this thread, I just wanted to set the record straight.

I love the read, bro! Informative as well.

 

[Trango Towers]

Looks terrible
Dying worthless like rats in cold trenches far from home. As if they have nothing else to do.
They can have instead fun tines with wife and kids, drinking beer, watching television.
It’s said the Wagner lost 15,000 men dead and wounded at Bakhmut and Soledar.

This is a very one sided story. Hiw many Ukrainians die each day?

 

[Viet]

This is a very one sided story. Hiw many Ukrainians die each day?

If Russia invades Pakistan would you sit idle?or a robber comes into your house? would you not run into a kitchen and take the biggest knife?
Ukraine defend itself against foreign aggression they don’t have any choice. Russia hooligans and rapists do have a choice. They waste worthless their lives in trenches.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615539394630356992

 

[sammuel]

"

Beloved people of the world.

I , as a world leader , believe it is time we embrace the vision of the prophets :

" and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Isaiah 2:4) "

If we stop fighting we will not only be better human beings , we will also be able to better face the challenges ahead , like dying seas , deforestation , climate changes and generally saving our planet for future generations.

Let us face those challenges together as brothers.

Vladimir

"

~

 

[khansaheeb]

I usually don't answer question like "How do you lose to a bunch of farmers" when I was asked. I just smile and carry on.

Most people have no idea how war are fought and those people tend to come up with question like this. Like "How do you lose to a backward enemy" Things is, sure, Taliban don't have the stuff that we have, they don't have high tech stuff like NVG, they don't have anything that match us in term of tech and firepower. But the question is, does it matter in a 5 meters engagement? You still have to go thru the process of out maneuver and out flanking your enemy to flush them out. All the tech will only help you a bit, but at the end of the day, the distant between you and Taliban would negate such advantage. And then Taliban have home ground advantage.

Most of what the Jungle Phase in Ranger School is the direct knowledge of what we learn from Vietcong during Vietnam war. We learn those stuff from them, and if the US Army ever decided to open a COIN school (I think they have one with CIA, not Army) they will most likely teaches soldier from the stuff we learn from the Taliban.

As the old saying goes, if you think these people are just a bunch of backward farmers, you probably had already lost at that point.

What about the mountain training, the arctic training, guerilla warfare training etc? The Afghans faced the best of the best and still won against all odds.

"

Beloved people of the world.

I , as a world leader , believe it is time we embrace the vision of the prophets :

" and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Isaiah 2:4) "

If we stop fighting we will not only be better human beings , we will also be able to better face the challenges ahead , like dying seas , deforestation , climate changes and generally saving our planet for future generations.

Let us face those challenges together as brothers.

Vladimir



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You are mad, you have finally flipped it, get some treatment.

Top Ukrainian and US generals meet in Poland

The US Defense Department confirmed around 100 Ukrainians have begun training on the Patriot missile system. The Netherlands said Tuesday it intends to join the US and Germany in sending the defense system to Ukraine. Follow here for live updates.

www.cnn.com

7 hr 29 min ago

Top Ukrainian and US generals meet in Poland​

From CNN's Yulia Kesiaeva in Kyiv and Oren Liebermann
Ukraine’s top general said he had his first ever in-person meeting with his US counterpart Gen. Mark Milley in Poland on Tuesday.

“I extended my gratitude to General Mark Milley for the unwavering support and assistance provided by the United States of America and allies to Ukraine." Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said on Facebook. "I outlined the urgent needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine meeting which will accelerate our victory.”

Milley and Zaluzhnyi discussed “the unprovoked and ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine,” according to a readout of the meeting provided by the US general's office.
Later this week, Milley will attend the next meeting of the Ukraine Contact Group in Ramstein, Germany, when the US and approximately 50 other countries come together to pledge new support to Ukraine. On Monday, Milley saw the newly expanded combined arms training of Ukrainian forces in Germany.
“The Chairman reaffirmed unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” according to the readout.
The meeting between the generals came one day after Ukrainian troops arrived at Fort Sill in Oklahoma to begin training on the Patriot missile system, according to the US Army base.




7 hr 43 min ago

Europe's ban on Russian diesel could send pump prices even higher​

From CNN's Anna Cooban
Europe is scrambling to buy diesel fuel from Russia before a ban on imports comes into force in early February, but the frantic stockpiling is unlikely to prevent a new price shock for truckers, drivers and businesses.
In the first two weeks of January, European countries snapped up almost 8 million barrels of Russian diesel, according to energy data provider Vortexa, roughly on par with imports this time last year before Russia invaded Ukraine. Imports in the fourth quarter of 2022 were up nearly 19% on the same period the previous year.
Since Russia’s invasion in February last year, the European Union has made a huge effort to wean itself off Moscow’s oil and natural gas supplies. That has included a ban on all Russian seaborne crude oil imports, which came into force in December.
EU countries drastically reduced their imports of crude from Russia ahead of the ban, but that isn’t happening with diesel because it’s much harder to find alternative sources of the fuel.
Read more here.