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He said a nuclear Pakistan is a threat like 30 years ago before you even had nuclear weapons, and said that unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes.

He never really mentioned Pakistan again since then.

That interview was not "30 years ago". It was about 11 years old at the max. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for a total of 24 years.

Here's the source of that interview:


Not mentioning Pakistan again doesn't mean much. He stated what he did. "Unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes" - his perspective, likewise what we think of Israel. Doesn't change the fact he mentioned what he had.
 
When do the patriot missile units go to Ukraine and will US crews be manning them until Ukrainian crews are up to speed on theml? News reports mentions multiple month training time to operate the units. So, missile units go NOW with American troops operating them or the units go AFTER Ukrainian troops know how to operate them in how many months? Would USA put its own service men in Ukraine in the firing line ?
Ukrainians will be manning them of course. There is no need for US troops. I'm sure these things can be manned remotely anyway. And if they cant they will be training Ukrainians to do it all. In fact, how do we know they haven't trained ukranians to use them already. They might have trained the ukranians up months ago and just waited for the political decision to be made to send the patriots over.
 
That interview was not "30 years ago". It was about 11 years old at the max. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for a total of 24 years.

Here's the source of that interview:


Not mentioning Pakistan again doesn't mean much. He stated what he did. "Unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes" - his perspective, likewise what we think of Israel. Doesn't change the fact he mentioned what he had.
I don't think that's the same interview I was talking about. If he didn't mention Pakistan then it isn't the same one.

He refers to Iran. Ever since I was born Pakistan was only mentioned in the news when you had fights with India and when your defense minister threatened us with nuclear weapons over some fake news he saw on the internet.



Anyways, he is right, unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes,
 
I don't think that's the same interview I was talking about. If he didn't mention Pakistan then it isn't the same one.

He refers to Iran. Ever since I was born Pakistan was only mentioned in the news when you had fights with India and when your defense minister threatened us with nuclear weapons over some fake news he saw on the internet.



Anyways, he is right, unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes,

25:55-27:00, Pakistan is mentioned. He describes it as a "Taliban takeover" (which already occurred next door). And I know that Pakistan isn't often talked about in Israel. But, the higher-ups (like Netanyahu) understand the threat Pakistan imposes on them.

Again, the use of the words "unstable countries" is subjective here. Many view the apartheid state of Israel as unstable and a radical regime.
 
25:55-27:00, Pakistan is mentioned. He describes it as a "Taliban takeover" (which already occurred next door). And I know that Pakistan isn't often talked about in Israel. But, the higher-ups (like Netanyahu) understand the threat Pakistan imposes on them.

Again, the use of the words "unstable countries" is subjective here. Many view the apartheid state of Israel as unstable and a radical regime.
Well yeah you could think of that as a threat, but that applies to everyone.

Not just Israel, but literally any country.

Pakistan isn't a threat, or perhaps a better word would be an active threat. It is as much threat as North Korea is to Israel. Too far to really be relevant.

Israel is very stable though, even if someone calls it Apartheid. Muslim countries tend to enter civil wars. Imagine if Iraq or Syria had nuclear weapons.
 
You know the story of the king wearing invisible cloth? Putin is the king of Russia. There is no opposition. After 20y in power he only listens to himself. He considers other are dumb stooges. All say to him, he has the longest penis. At some point in time he believes he has the longest.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
It is such a splendid joy. Reading this topic every now and then. It gives you the impression that a certain part of the world is in great pain that it joyfully inflicted for so long on others. Now that war has reached its shores the pain has become unbearable.

What gives me even more pleasure is that certain members in this topic that have been taunting other war stricken regions for a while are today grieving for their own misery. They are forcing others to mourn with them or else... The tone is very agressive and hostile against those that are not willing to tow their line. Well, you can't force anyone to tow your line. People will have their own independent views on the subject matter.

Well yeah you could think of that as a threat, but that applies to everyone.

Not just Israel, but literally any country.

Pakistan isn't a threat, or perhaps a better word would be an active threat. It is as much threat as North Korea is to Israel. Too far to really be relevant.

Israel is very stable though, even if someone calls it Apartheid. Muslim countries tend to enter civil wars. Imagine if Iraq or Syria had nuclear weapons.

Bruv. Your higher ups are obsessed with Pakistan. Any Islamic country possesing nuclear weapons is a major concern for Israel and papa USA. Non-active can become active in a blink of an eye. You know that, right? Let there be absolutely no doubt about this. Israel wants Pakistan denuclearised at the earliest. Period. That is Israeli main objective. It is not like a secret wish or is it now? Israelis consider any Islamic nation with nukes a potential threat. Whether active or non-active. Yes, apart from that Israel doesn't care about Pakistan just like Pakistan doesn't care about Israel.

The question is, how will papa Biden, papa Modi and papa Netanyahu denuclearise Pakistan? Are you willing to do a Tom Cruise with F-35 fighter jets? Stuxnet 2.0 perhaps?
 
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That interview was not "30 years ago". It was about 11 years old at the max. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for a total of 24 years.

Here's the source of that interview:


Not mentioning Pakistan again doesn't mean much. He stated what he did. "Unstable Islamic countries shouldn't have nukes" - his perspective, likewise what we think of Israel. Doesn't change the fact he mentioned what he had.

Let me just say this much. Papa America is working on Pakistan in various ways. The Americans are showing a great deal of patience which is unlike the Americans. Probably they have to since the problem is very delicate. The latest regime change operation in cooperation with the Pak military is yet the latest example. Papa America won't let go easily. There is too much at stake. China's involvement in Pakistan has been irking the Americans for a while. It is also a matter of prestige and ego. Pakistan has been a so-called ally of convenience since the Cold War era. The Americans won't admit openly, but they hate the idea of such an ally of convenience picking the opposite side in protest. Secondly, papa America has to fulfill the duty of a daddy on behalf of India and Israel. Since papa America is fully in bed with said nations, it feels compelled to listen and take care of their concerns. Is it a secret that both India and Israel have certain complaints against Pakistan?

The Americans understand that the removal of Imran Khan was probably as far as the Pakistani military could go to accommodate certain wishes. The China and nuclear questions remain unanswered and the Pakistani generals will never acommodate I suppose? Unless the Pak army is led by Bajwa 2.0 on steroids? Again, the Americans are working on Pakistan.
 
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It is such a splendid joy. Reading this topic every now and then. It gives you the impression that a certain part of the world is in great pain that it joyfully inflicted for so long on others.

The one that are suffering are Ukrainians that have done nothing to you , and soldiers on both sides that will be stuck in muddy trenches this winter under constant shelling , world war 1 style .

And this brings you " splendid joy " .

take some history lessons from Sting , you know he was a teacher before he was a singer.



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It is such a splendid joy. Reading this topic every now and then. It gives you the impression that a certain part of the world is in great pain that it joyfully inflicted for so long on others. Now that war has reached its shores the pain has become unbearable.

What gives me even more pleasure is that certain members in this topic that have been taunting other war stricken regions for a while are today grieving for their own misery. They are forcing others to mourn with them or else... The tone is very agressive and hostile against those that are not willing to tow their line. Well, you can't force anyone to tow your line. People will have their own independent views on the subject matter.



Bruv. Your higher ups are obsessed with Pakistan. Any Islamic country possesing nuclear weapons is a major concern for Israel and papa USA. Non-active can become active in a blink of an eye. You know that, right? Let there be absolutely no doubt about this. Israel wants Pakistan denuclearised at the earliest. Period. That is Israeli main objective. Israelis consider any Islamic nation with nukes a potential threat. Whether active or non-active. Yes, apart from that Israel doesn't care about Pakistan just like Pakistan doesn't care about Israel.

The question is, how will papa Biden, papa Modi and papa Netanyahu denuclearise Pakistan? Are you willing to do a Tom Cruise with F-35 fighter jets? Stuxnet 2.0 perhaps?
No one's going to de-nuclearize you, MAD will prevent any nuclear exchange as long as you're not some fanatics like the Shias in Iran or get overthrown by the Taliban.

Israel isn't obsessed with Pakistan, Mossad spies on you be sure of that, but other than that no obsession and no nothing.
 
The one that are suffering are Ukrainians that have done nothing to you and soldiers on both sides that will be stuck in muddy trenches under constant shelling , world war 1 style .

And this brings you " splendid joy " .



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You failed to understand. More than that, it gives me joy seeing YOU in such a state. Don't put the Ukrainians above yourself you shelfish little man. Now don't get sentimental because I won't cry for you.

No one's going to de-nuclearize you, MAD will prevent any nuclear exchange as long as you're not some fanatics like the Shias in Iran or get overthrown by the Taliban.

Israel isn't obsessed with Pakistan, Mossad spies on you be sure of that, but other than that no obsession and no nothing.

We also read the news and analyse your side. We are not stupid, bruv. From what we gather for years is that Israel won't take any chances. From your perspective that might be the right thing. Albeit, the opposing side also has it's own perspective and justifications. There are influential voices in Israel and the US political arena that consider Pakistan a much higher threat than Iran. Simply because Pakistan already possesses nuclear weapons. You know this, right? You must also know that Israel was ready to strike Pakistani nuclear reactors in its early days. A well documented fact. That should really tell you how serious Israel is about the removal of Pakistani nuclear program. It is a real major concern to you guys. Just like it is to your sponsor papa America. Biden didn't have a slip of toungue recently when he claimed that Pakistan is the most dangerous country. He didn't say Iran, but he referred to Pakistan. We all know what he meant.
 
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You failed to understand. More than that, it gives me joy seeing YOU in such a state. Don't put the Ukrainians above yourself you shelfish little man. Now don't get sentimental because I won't cry for you.

I also favored Argentina to win the world cup , following your logic , i guess that spells doom for them.
 
Volodymyr Zelensky in Bakhmut.

Volodymyr Zelensky in Bakhmut.
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE

Bakhmut Is ‘Soaked In Blood’ As Eight Of Ukraine’s Best Brigades Battle 40,000 Former Russian Prisoners​


Russian mercenary firm The Wagner Group since this summer has been trying, and so far failing, to capture the town of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

For Wagner, Bakhmut is a symbol. In seizing the ruins of the lifeless town, which lies 10 miles southwest of Russian-occupied Severodonetsk—one of Donbas’s bigger cities—Wagner apparently aims to establish itself as an alternative to the regular Russian army.


But at least eight of the Ukrainian army’s heaviest brigades keep interrupting Wagner’s plan—and making the battle for Bakhmut a statement about Wagner’s weakness rather than its strength.


“The Russian military and mercenaries have been attacking Bakhmut nonstop since May,” Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday. “They have been attacking it day and night, but Bakhmut stands.”


The Ukrainian brigades in and around Bakhmut—the 60th and 71st Infantry Brigades, the 24th, 57th and 58th Mechanized Brigades, the 4th Tank Brigade, the 46th Air Mobile Brigade, the 128th Mountain Brigadeand others—represent the best of Kyiv’s active army, which in 10 months of hard fighting has bulked up with new and heavier weapons while also translating extensive battlefield experience into better tactics and small-unit leadership.

Each brigade might have 3,000 troops and a hundred or more armored vehicles plus artillery and drones.

The battle for Bakhmut is ongoing. Wagner attacked—again—last week. The Ukrainian counterattacked—again—this week. By Wednesday the front lines were stable enough for Zelensky to drop into Bakhmut for a quick visit with the local garrison. A day later, Zelensky was en route to Washington, D.C. to address the U.S. Congress.


“Last year, 70,000 people lived here in Bakhmut, in this city, and now only few civilians stay,” Zelensky told lawmakers from the U.S. House and Senate, minus a few dozen pro-Russia Republicans who declined to attend the Ukrainian president’s speech.

“Every inch of that land is soaked in blood; roaring guns sound every hour,” Zelensky added. “Trenches in the Donbas change hands several times a day in fierce combat, and even hand-fighting. But the Ukrainian Donbas stands.”

There’s no sign Wagner’s about to give up. But extreme losses—not only in infantry, but also among the mercenary company’s attack pilots—have diminished Wagner’s chances.

After expending its initial contingent of skilled fighters in its first few attempts to capture Bakhmut, the company this fall began recruiting thousands of convicts from Russian prisons—and shoving them toward Bakhmut without adequate training or equipment. According to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby, Wagner might have as many as 50,000 fighters in Ukraine, 40,000 of whom are former prisoners.

Ironically, the closer Wagner gets to downtown Bakhmut, the more dire its predicament becomes. “Intense combat has occurred in the Bakhmut sector since June 2022, but the front lines have primarily been in open country around the eastern approaches to the town,” the U.K. Defense Ministry explained.

“The war has seen little protracted, large-scale fighting in built-up areas since the Russian advances into Lysychansk and Severodonetsk in July 2022,” the ministry added.

Urban combat requires “highly trained infantry with excellent junior-level leadership,” the ministry stated. Ukraine’s brigades have highly-trained infantry, thanks in part to NATO instructors. They have good junior leaders, too, owing to a military culture that distributes responsibility to younger officers and sergeants rather than solely assigning it to aging colonels and generals, as is the Russian custom.

As the Bakhmut battle grinds into its eighth month and becomes increasingly urban, the Ukrainians probably have the advantage. “This type of combat is unlikely to favor poorly-trained Wagner fighters,” the U.K. Defense Ministry concluded.


 
I also favored Argentina to win the world cup , following your logic , i guess that spells doom for them.

I saw Zelensky beg in US. The little comedian stood there and he begged for the spotlight. LOL Some US politicians held the Ukrainian flag to comfort his ego. I guess he will be back on his flight to Ukraine and return to the shitshow he belongs in.
 

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