Russia Develops Own THAAD-like, GMD-like Missile Defense Systems

[gau8av]

Cannot stop our stealth bombers can they ?

Having said that, a mutually lose lose game like a nuclear war is nigh improbable.

MAD is bad

not for nothing real Admiral Dave Johnson keeps a model of the K-329 'Severodvinsk' in his office, eh ?

Things are not so good in Mariupol even now. Separatists are masses equipment and troops near donetsk and mariupol and are constantly being monitored by unmanned aerial vehicles which belongs to Seperatists backed by Russian Federation and even today there was bombing in Mariupol.

22.12.2014
Ukrainian forces repel attack by saboteurs near Mariupol : UNIAN news
It is also noted that two unmanned aerial vehicles were spotted on Monday morning near Mariupol.
"Yesterday, in the north-east of Mariupol, a patrol of the Azov volunteer battalion came across sabotage and reconnaissance groups of terrorists. The [militants] opened fire, but faced good resistance from the Azov soldiers, and retreated. No casualties on the Ukrainian side were reported,"the city's defense headquarters said.

Dec. 24, 2014
Saboteurs blow up railway bridge in Mariupol - watch on - uatoday.tv
Saboteurs have blown up a railway bridge over the Kalchyk river near the south-eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol. As a result, one of the concrete supports for the bridge collapsed.

There were no reports of injuries, although the railway connection with Mariupol has been disrupted. Local officials say residents could have helped by informing authorites of threats to the bridge.

those 'Azov' guys are a real nasty lot, hope the militia neutralize them and can reclaim the city (though I'm not sure how much support they enjoy there)

@vostok is Mariupol essential in the rebel plans ? what is the actual imagined map of 'novorossiya' as they hope to take before stopping ?

 

[Hindustani78]

Mariupol is a strategic location and in ceasefire talks which are being held today. Separatists back by Russia will try to make agreements on not placing advance weapons on Mariupol city.

 

[vostok]

Switching is done that time only when huge sums of money and incentives are given , so are you saying that Russian Federation military planners have adopted such type of tactics and used even Ethnic card ? It seems you are using the term nazi battalions for all those who are Ethnic Ukrainians soldiers and people which i think is completely incorrect. Was this is the reason that Russian Federation forwarded UN resolution combating glorification of Nazism.

I do reject racism of all kind but the timing of that resolution forwarded by Russian Federation seems to be linked to the Ukraine Crisis.

Nazi battalions were legalized and became part of the police. Outdoor Nazi became deputy chief police of Kiev region.
Maidan was one of the "orange revolution" - carefully made special operations to overthrow legitimate unwanted to US rulers.
Crawlers used naive fools. After just one year after the Maidan our standard of living fell by more than 2 times. Every day across the country light is turned off for 6-7 hours. The streets are dark. Crime flourishes. Children in schools are forced to shout Nazi slogans.
Unlike you, who sees only the distorted image of false Western media, I see the situation from the inside.
Ukraine rapidly turning into a banana republic, a source of prostitutes, slaves and grain to the West.
We, the inhabitants of New Russia do not want such a fate. We want our country to be scientific, cultural and industrial developed This is possible only in the union with our Mother - Russia.
We have no doubt that we will win, because the truth is on our side.

Switching is done that time only when huge sums of money and incentives are given , so are you saying that Russian Federation military planners have adopted such type of tactics and used even Ethnic card ? It seems you are using the term nazi battalions for all those who are Ethnic Ukrainians soldiers and people which i think is completely incorrect. Was this is the reason that Russian Federation forwarded UN resolution combating glorification of Nazism.

I do reject racism of all kind but the timing of that resolution forwarded by Russian Federation seems to be linked to the Ukraine Crisis.

Mariupol occupied by the Nazis, but it is temporary.

 

[gau8av]

Mariupol is a strategic location and in ceasefire talks which are being held today. Separatists back by Russia will try to make agreements on not placing advance weapons on Mariupol city.

what do you mean by 'advance weapons' ?

Nazi battalions were legalized and became part of the police. Outdoor Nazi became deputy chief police of Kiev region.
Maidan was one of the "orange revolution" - carefully made special operations to overthrow legitimate unwanted to US rulers.
Crawlers used naive fools. After just one year after the Maidan our standard of living fell by more than 2 times. Every day across the country light is turned off for 6-7 hours. The streets are dark. Crime flourishes. Children in schools are forced to shout Nazi slogans.
Unlike you, who sees only the distorted image of false Western media, I see the situation from the inside.
Ukraine rapidly turning into a banana republic, a source of prostitutes, slaves and grain to the West.
We, the inhabitants of New Russia do not want such a fate. We want our country to be scientific, cultural and industrial developed This is possible only in the union with our Mother - Russia.
We have no doubt that we will win, because the truth is on our side.


Mariupol occupied by the Nazis, but it is temporary.

it is well documented that the most violent (ultra nationalist) "nazi" maidan protestors were absorbed in to the national guard

anyone who wants to research can find non biased neutral sources on it.

but as I asked earlier, can we see a map of the imagined 'novorossiya' ? ..does not include Kiev, right ?

 

[Hindustani78]

Nazi battalions were legalized and became part of the police. Outdoor Nazi became deputy chief police of Kiev region.
Maidan was one of the "orange revolution" - carefully made special operations to overthrow legitimate unwanted to US rulers.
Crawlers used naive fools. After just one year after the Maidan our standard of living fell by more than 2 times. Every day across the country light is turned off for 6-7 hours. The streets are dark. Crime flourishes. Children in schools are forced to shout Nazi slogans.
Unlike you, who sees only the distorted image of false Western media, I see the situation from the inside.

As i see you are using the term Nazi for those who are not Ethnic Russians in here

Ukraine rapidly turning into a banana republic, a source of prostitutes, slaves and grain to the West.

I am aware i have read that article but who is really responsible for such fate of the Ukrainians ? Ukraine joining EU would have open doors for economic stability but the gas crisis and no investment have affected Ukraine economy. Ukrainians after the baltics joined EU were more eager to join EU but were struck up in between big power blocks.

I do understand the pain of Ukranian people but i felt very bad when my flag was burnt by the FEMEN group but still Indians like me doesn't hate Ukrainian people nor wants to see the annexation of their country.

We, the inhabitants of New Russia do not want such a fate. We want our country to be scientific, cultural and industrial developed This is possible only in the union with our Mother - Russia.
We have no doubt that we will win, because the truth is on our side.

Its the policy adopted by big powers which has turned Ukraine to suffer economically. Belarus is pro Russia but it is still economically backward why ?

Mariupol occupied by the Nazis, but it is temporary.

They are defending their country, i think

what do you mean by 'advance weapons' ?

Anti Ship missiles

it is well documented that the most violent (ultra nationalist) "nazi" maidan protestors were absorbed in to the national guard

anyone who wants to research can find non biased neutral sources on it.

but as I asked earlier, can we see a map of the imagined 'novorossiya' ? ..does not include Kiev, right ?

This is what i am saying that nationalist Ukrainian cant be term as Nazis in here. Ukraine was like divided on ethnic lines and this only led to the present situation.

I have even ask for that map. Just 2 regions are seems to be under separatist control

 

[vostok]

As i see you are using the term Nazi for those who are not Ethnic Russians in here




I am aware i have read that article but who is really responsible for such fate of the Ukrainians ? Ukraine joining EU would have open doors for economic stability but the gas crisis and no investment have affected Ukraine economy. Ukrainians after the baltics joined EU were more eager to join EU but were struck up in between big power blocks.

I do understand the pain of Ukranian people but i felt very bad when my flag was burnt by the FEMEN group but still Indians like me doesn't hate Ukrainian people nor wants to see the annexation of their country.




Its the policy adopted by big powers which has turned Ukraine to suffer economically. Belarus is pro Russia but it is still economically backward why ?





They are defending their country, i think



Anti Ship missiles




This is what i am saying that nationalist Ukrainian cant be term as Nazis in here. Ukraine was like divided on ethnic lines and this only led to the present situation.

I have even ask for that map. Just 2 regions are seems to be under separatist control

I use the term "Nazi" because it was the Nazis the driving force behind the maidan. Each military unit has a Nazi commissar. Each school children are forced to shout Nazi slogans. Nazis of World War II equated to the Red Army veterans. Among those who fight for the Nazis, there are Russians, Swedes and Poles and the British and bastards from others ethnics.
Similarly, as well as among militias there are Ukrainians, Russian, Serbian, Ossetians, Chechens, Abkhazians, and many others heroes.
Now is hard times for my people - the struggle for independence and territorial integrity of New Russia is just beginning. But I, like my fellow citizens believe that the New Russia will be united, prosperous, industrialized power.

it is well documented that the most violent (ultra nationalist) "nazi" maidan protestors were absorbed in to the national guard

anyone who wants to research can find non biased neutral sources on it.

Tell it to your compatriot from India. He does not understand why the Nazis are called the Nazis.
New Russia includes only historical Novorossian lands from Odessa to Kharkov.

 

[gau8av]

Anti Ship missiles

they don't have anti ship if you're thinking Yakhont/Oniks but have used an ATGM (konkur or kornet I think ) against a Ukie coast guard and sank it.

This is what i am saying that nationalist Ukrainian cant be term as Nazis in here. Ukraine was like divided on ethnic lines and this only led to the present situation.

I have even ask for that map. Just 2 regions are seems to be under separatist control

no, the ultra nationalist Ukrainian are pretty much nazi like and funded by the US..

 

[Hasbara Buster]

yeah and chinese is due to straight on copy and reverse engineering

And previously Americans stole German technology.

 

[Hindustani78]

I use the term "Nazi" because it was the Nazis the driving force behind the maidan. Each military unit has a Nazi commissar. Each school children are forced to shout Nazi slogans. Nazis of World War II equated to the Red Army veterans. Among those who fight for the Nazis, there are Russians, Swedes and Poles and the British and bastards from others ethnics.
Similarly, as well as among militias there are Ukrainians, Russian, Serbian, Ossetians, Chechens, Abkhazians, and many others heroes.
Now is hard times for my people - the struggle for independence and territorial integrity of New Russia is just beginning. But I, like my fellow citizens believe that the New Russia will be united, prosperous, industrialized power.

I do understand who were Nazis and even don't deny that there are people who use race to justify violence and its somewhat related to nationalism etc.

So you are saying that what we are seeing in Ukraine is nothing but Nazism. Was Crimea annexed because of Nazism or because of the sevastapol port ?

they don't have anti ship if you're thinking Yakhont/Oniks but have used an ATGM (konkur or kornet I think ) against a Ukie coast guard and sank it..

Ukraine is moving towards EU and NATO and in future Ukraine will get advance weapons from other NATO countries. If Ukraine would have got those weapons then the whole scenario would have been completely different.

US to sell missiles to Poland amid Russia tensions - Telegraph

Valery Heletey, Ukraine’s defence minister, claimed earlier this month that he had discussed weapons deliveries in bilateral meetings with Nato defence ministers during the alliance’s summit in Wales on September 4-5.

"We reached agreements in closed talks, without media, about ... those weapons that we currently need," he said. However, no Nato member confirmed this.

Tell it to your compatriot from India. He does not understand why the Nazis are called the Nazis.
New Russia includes only historical Novorossian lands from Odessa to Kharkov.

Ukrainians will fight for their country sovereignty and integrity.

Can you tell how many regions are under control of separatists backed by Russian Federation ?

 

[vostok]

I do understand who were Nazis and even don't deny that there are people who use race to justify violence and its somewhat related to nationalism etc.

So you are saying that what we are seeing in Ukraine is nothing but Nazism. Was Crimea annexed because of Nazism or because of the sevastapol port ?



Ukraine is moving towards EU and NATO and in future Ukraine will get advance weapons from other NATO countries. If Ukraine would have got those weapons then the whole scenario would have been completely different.

US to sell missiles to Poland amid Russia tensions - Telegraph

Valery Heletey, Ukraine’s defence minister, claimed earlier this month that he had discussed weapons deliveries in bilateral meetings with Nato defence ministers during the alliance’s summit in Wales on September 4-5.

"We reached agreements in closed talks, without media, about ... those weapons that we currently need," he said. However, no Nato member confirmed this.



Ukrainians will fight for their country sovereignty and integrity.

Can you tell how many regions are under control of separatists backed by Russian Federation ?

Kiev junta uses the Nazis as its shield and sword. The Nazis controlls all key positions. Nazis themselves subject to the Americans.
The junta has destroyed Ukraine on May 2, in Odessa. It was then that the people of New Russia realized that we do not want to live in one state with the Nazis. It was then when the Rubicon was crossed.
Unfortunately, Russia does not support the fight of Novorossia anything but humanitarian convoys and volunteers. We regret about it, because if our struggle was supported by Russian Army, the war would be over in a few days.
However, the militia is formed as an almost monolithic military structure, able to crush the armyof junta. But we do not want to kill civillians, as they do, we hope for a a political solution, because we hope that the junta recognizes Novorossia and bring the occupation forces back to Ukraine.

 

[gau8av]

@Hindustani78 .. the way they are squeezing Russia sanctions wise, they might just break out and go for full 'intervention' in eastern Ukraine. I'm happy that my elected reps will do the right thing and abstain from any UN vote on it just like we're planning to abstain from the Israel/Palestine situation from now on.

the destruction of Ukraine is wholly due to an illegal US/EU funded, and violent nazi foot soldier fronted coup.. a new low for the USA (just when we thought they couldn't go any lower)

very delicate matter but our current Indian government supports the Russian position on it, and I'm glad they do.

 

[Hindustani78]

Kiev junta uses the Nazis as its shield and sword. The Nazis controlls all key positions. Nazis themselves subject to the Americans.
The junta has destroyed Ukraine on May 2, in Odessa. It was then that the people of New Russia realized that we do not want to live in one state with the Nazis. It was then when the Rubicon was crossed.

Ukrainians for the whole wanted to join EU way back in 2011, 2012 and even 2013.

12/01/2013
Ukraine Moves To Join EU In Russia Snub - Forbes
Ukrainian protesters have successfully forced the hand of their president, getting him to reconsider signing a trade deal with the European Union even if it means irking one Vladimir Putin in Moscow.
The Ukrainian government recently chose Russia instead of the E.U. deal after the Kremlin threatened higher import duties and stricter trade rules if the country signed any European agreements.

Ukraine: EU support up again
03.07.2013
Two years ago, 74 percent of Ukrainians favored joining the EU; following the financial and economic crisis that hit EU countries in November 2012, now only 52 percent support it. That's a new trend, as last year the number of EU-proponents in Ukraine was much lower. Thirty-seven percent of respondents indicated they would be in favor of Ukraine entering the EU within the next five years – 11 percent more than six months ago. Another 12 percent would like to see the country join within the next five to 10 years. Overall, nearly two-thirds of Ukrainians supported the notion of their country joining the EU.

Even in eastern Ukraine, which traditionally aligns itself more with Russia, 52 percent are in favor of joining the EU. Only 31-percent oppose it. EU accession is a non-issue for the younger generation. The proportion of those in the 18-29-year-old age bracket is at 67 percent, the highest of any one bracket. In the 50-60-year-old age group the figure is stable at 57 percent.

Unfortunately, Russia does not support the fight of Novorossia anything but humanitarian convoys and volunteers. We regret about it, because if our struggle was supported by Russian Army, the war would be over in a few days.
However, the militia is formed as an almost monolithic military structure, able to crush the armyof junta. But we do not want to kill civillians, as they do, we hope for a a political solution, because we hope that the junta recognizes Novorossia and bring the occupation forces back to Ukraine.

Russian Federation is having its reservation because Russian Federation see all this as economic war on it but even when Ukraine was dealing completely with Russian Federation it was going through the gas crisis and this gas crisis is way older than these EU talks. I am following the events in Ukraine since 2008

 

[Superboy]

The EU will never take a basket case like Ukraine An association agreement is needed to pillage Ukraine's assets and natural resources. A membership is not required.

 

[Hindustani78]

The EU will never take a basket case like Ukraine An association agreement is needed to pillage Ukraine's assets and natural resources. A membership is not required.

Here its more about investment and getting the benefits. Russian Federation wants Ukraine to join EEA but it seems Ukrainians want to keep distance with Russian Federation after the annexation of Crimea and some regions in Eastern Ukraine

 

[vostok]

Ukrainians for the whole wanted to join EU way back in 2011, 2012 and even 2013.

12/01/2013
Ukraine Moves To Join EU In Russia Snub - Forbes
Ukrainian protesters have successfully forced the hand of their president, getting him to reconsider signing a trade deal with the European Union even if it means irking one Vladimir Putin in Moscow.
The Ukrainian government recently chose Russia instead of the E.U. deal after the Kremlin threatened higher import duties and stricter trade rules if the country signed any European agreements.

Ukraine: EU support up again
03.07.2013
Two years ago, 74 percent of Ukrainians favored joining the EU; following the financial and economic crisis that hit EU countries in November 2012, now only 52 percent support it. That's a new trend, as last year the number of EU-proponents in Ukraine was much lower. Thirty-seven percent of respondents indicated they would be in favor of Ukraine entering the EU within the next five years – 11 percent more than six months ago. Another 12 percent would like to see the country join within the next five to 10 years. Overall, nearly two-thirds of Ukrainians supported the notion of their country joining the EU.

Even in eastern Ukraine, which traditionally aligns itself more with Russia, 52 percent are in favor of joining the EU. Only 31-percent oppose it. EU accession is a non-issue for the younger generation. The proportion of those in the 18-29-year-old age bracket is at 67 percent, the highest of any one bracket. In the 50-60-year-old age group the figure is stable at 57 percent.

Russian Federation is having its reservation because Russian Federation see all this as economic war on it but even when Ukraine was dealing completely with Russian Federation it was going through the gas crisis and this gas crisis is way older than these EU talks. I am following the events in Ukraine since 2008

Yanukovych and Kuchma - the two presidents of Ukraine, who came to power after the elections, and not as a result of anti-constitutional seizure of power - before the election promised closer ties with Russia and the return of Russian language its legitimate status.
And this is the only real indicator of what wanted the citizens of Ukraine.
Unfortunately, Kuchma and Yanukovych deceived the population of Ukraine.
After the destruction of the Ukraine by Maidan monkeys and thier puppeteers from the West Novorossian people got a unique chance for freedom and independence from the tyranny of Kiev.