Rohingya Muslims: Zardari writes letter to Myanmar president

[A1Kaid]

What is the authenticity of this?

 

[Safriz]

What is the authenticity of this?

I have replied your query in two other threads..Please stop spamming all threads with this picture..

 

[TheRafael00000]

Poking nose in someone's internal matters, so bad. Does Other country head had ever wrote such letter to Pakistan??? I am just asking to know if someone can poke there node in other's internal matters?????

Just launch one Military oppression against Tamils. You will know who interferes and who not.

 

[Sashan]

Just launch one Military oppression against Tamils. You will know who interferes and who not.

Hold your horses mate - 30,000 SL tamils were killed mercilessly in the last stages of the war and the Indian government sat there doing nothing. And the TN tamil leaders like Karunanidhi were rat-b***ds and were busy consolidating their family business of plundering India instead of trying to do something meaningful.

 

[TheRafael00000]

Hold your horses mate - 30,000 SL tamils were killed mercilessly in the last stages of the war and the Indian government sat there doing nothing. And the TN tamil leaders like Karunanidhi were rat-b***ds and were busy consolidating their family business of plundering India instead of trying to do something meaningful.

I don't think this is something I meant! Disappointing!

 

[Black Widow]

Just launch one Military oppression against Tamils. You will know who interferes and who not.

How does it answer my question???

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

going by the same logic US and NATO should have never poked their nose in syria, iraq or in many countries they have in the past or are currently . When it comes to killing muslims its internal matter but when a single jew, christen or hindu is killed it certainly becomes external and everyone tries to poke her nose

Attack on sovereign countries is justified but writing a peaceful letter to a country which is involved in the massacre and brutal killing of muslims is not ....good luck with your hypocrisy

Remember DAFUR ( where muslims muser native african black people ), All muslims country trying to protect basher.

Remember KOSOVO

Calling international humanitarian crisis "poking nose in internal matter".

That real face of india and Indians...shame!

But when Muslims started support Bashir when he was killing innocent people in Dafur .....ALl Muslims countries standing in same line supporting Sudan in Dafur, when was your humanitarian crosses ?

Where was the real face?

 

[Black Widow]

going by the same logic US and NATO should have never poked their nose in syria, iraq or in many countries they have in the past or are currently . When it comes to killing muslims its internal matter but when a single jew, christen or hindu is killed it certainly becomes external and everyone tries to poke her nose

Attack on sovereign countries is justified but writing a peaceful letter to a country which is involved in the massacre and brutal killing of muslims is not ....good luck with your hypocrisy

I disagree with NATO and USA. I am happy that they are not involved (No evidence of direct involvment)in Syria.

Non Sunnis are daily suffer in Pakistan, Will you feel same if Burmese will write letter to Zardari saying
"Dear Zardari,

We are highly disappointed with the way pakistan treat non Sunni. I am shocked to see what you did with minorities, how you have reduce them to 2% from 20%. I am shocked to see how Shias are killed and how Ahmedi are treated.

Therefor I request you to shut Up!.

Regs
Junta Govt
Myanmar"

 

[MM_Haider]

I disagree with NATO and USA. I am happy that they are not involved (No evidence of direct involvment)in Syria.

Non Sunnis are daily suffer in Pakistan, Will you feel same if Burmese will write letter to Zardari saying
"Dear Zardari,

We are highly disappointed with the way pakistan treat non Sunni. I am shocked to see what you did with minorities, how you have reduce them to 2% from 20%. I am shocked to see how Shias are killed and how Ahmedi are treated.

Therefor I request you to shut Up!.

Regs
Junta Govt
Myanmar"

Are you freakin kiddin me? hundredsof Rohingyas are killed, more than 22 thousands are homeless, four thousand six hundred and sixty five homes of Mulsims are put on fire in Myanmar in just week and you tend to justify their killing and silence of international community by giving false examples from Pakistan? when did it happen that score of people of any community is displaced by another community in pakistan in a week?? But yes it did happen in India several times... e.g., Gujrat riots. Get a life and have some moral courage to condemn this act!!!...

 

[Black Widow]

Are you freakin kiddin me? hundredsof Rohingyas are killed, more than 22 thousands are homeless, four thousand six hundred and sixty five homes of Mulsims are put on fire in Myanmar in just week and you tend to justify their killing and silence of international community by giving false examples from Pakistan? when did it happen that score of people of any community is displaced by another community in pakistan in a week?? But yes it did happen in India several times... e.g., Gujrat riots. Get a life and have some moral courage to condemn this act!!!...

Don't try to become champion of Islam. You are not America.. So what if 100 killed?? so what if 1000 are homeless??? How does it make any difference to you in Pakistan???


Same number of ppl died in Syria, Iraq, iran, 70 million killed in China (by Mao, alleged). Stop acting champion of Islam. Its there internal matter. If there will be any humanitarian crisis UN will take action.

And more over every thing is alleged, No one has authentic proof. Burma is not Iraq where you can start war on based on false propaganda..

 

[Srinivas]

Islam is the only religion that gives rights to the women..

What about your Hinduism?? there you go...


women in Vedas

'Rig Veda' itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons. So much so, that for begetting a son, 'Vedas' prescribe a special ritual
called 'Punsawan sanskar' (a ceremony performed during third month of pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed:


"Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb" - Atharva Ved 6/11/3

"O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women" - Atharva Ved 2/3/23

In 'Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)' a sonless women has been termed as unfortunate.

'Rig Veda' censures women by saying:
"Lord Indra himself has said that women has very little intelligence. She cannot be taught" - Rig Ved 8/33/17

At another placein Rig Veda it is written:
"There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than heyna" - Rig Ved 10/95/15.

'Yajur Ved (Taitriya Sanhita)'m- "Women code says that the women are without energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked they speak in feeble manner" - Yajur Ved 6/5/8/2

Shatpath Puran, preachings of the 'Yajur Veda' clubs women, 'shudras'(untouchables), doga, crows together and says falsehood, sin and gloom remain integrated in them. (14/1/1/31)

In 'Aiterey Puran', preaching of the 'Rig Veda' in harsih chandra -Narad dialogue, Narad says: "The daughter causes pain"

Despicable

To insult and humiliate women further, the religious books speak of women having sexual intercourse with animals or expressing desire for intercourse with them. What further insult can be heaped on women.
In 'Yajur Veda' such references are found at a number of places where the principal wife of the host is depicted as having intercourse with a horse.

For example consider the following hymn:
"All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband.'" - Yajur Veda 23/19.

After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: "O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception'" - Yajur Veda 23/20.

The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu (priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda 23/20.

Then the host, while praying to the horse says:
"O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively" - 23/21.

In the Vedic age, the customs of polygamy was prevalent. Each wife spent most of the time devising ways and means to become favorite to her husband.

Clear references are available in 'Rig Veda', (14/45),' and Atharva Veda (3/81)'

For example consider the following hymn:
"All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband.'" - Yajur Veda 23/19.

After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: "O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception'" - Yajur Veda 23/20.

The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu (priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda 23/20.

Then the host, while praying to the horse says:
"O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively" - 23/21.

In the Vedic age, the customs of polygamy was prevalent. Each wife spent most of the time devising ways and means to become favorite to her husband.

Clear references are available in 'Rig Veda', (14/45),' and Atharva Veda (3/81)'


Custom of Polygamy

The Aryans in those days used to attack the original inhabitants of this place, or other tribe within their own race; loot them and snatch away their women. Thus, militant and wicked men had more wives. This custom of polygamy helped a great deal in bringing down the women.

In 'Rig Ved' (10/59) it is written that Lord Indra had many queens that were either defeated or killed by his principal wife.

In 'Aitrey Puran', preachings of 'Rig Veda', (33/1), there is a reference to the effect that Harish Chandra had one hundred Wives.

'Yajur Veda' in the context of 'Ashva Medha' (Horse Sacraficing ceremony), says that many wives of Harish Chandra participated in the 'Yagyna' (religious sacrafice).

In 'Shatpath Puran(Shatpath Brahmin)', preachings (13/4/1/9), of the Veda, it is written that four wives do service in 'Ashva Megha'. In another Puran (Tatiraity Brahamin, 3/8/4), it is written that wives are like property.

Not only one man had many wives (married and slave girls), but there were cases of many men having a joint wife. It is confirmed from the following hymn in 'Atharva Veda': "O men, sow a seed in this fertile women" - Atharva Veda 14/1

Both these customs clearly show that a women was treated like a moving property. The only difference between the two customs was that whereas according to former one man had a number of movable properties, in the latter, women a joint movable property.



'Vedas' also sanction 'Sati Pratha'

Widow was burnt at the funeral Pyre of her husband. The widow was burnt at the funeral pyre of her husband so that she may remain his slave, birth after birth and may never be released from the bonds of slavery.

The Atharva Veda says:
"O dead man following the religion and wishing to go to the husbands world, his women comes to you." In the other world also may you give her children and wealth in the same manner. In the 'Vedas', widow is treated inhumanly. For example it is mentioned that on death of her husband, the wife was handed over to some other man, or to her husband younger brother.

Swami Vivekananda opines that even at that time women used to have sexual intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a child. The hymn says:
"O woman, get up and adopt the worldly life again. It is futile to lie with this dead man. Get up and become the wife of the man who is holding your hand and who loves you. - Rig Ved 10/18/8

Apparently this shows that woman is considered to be a property. Whenever and whosoever desired, could become her master. If the women was not remarried, then her head was shaved. This is evident from Atharva Veda (14/2/60).

This custom was obviously meant to disgrace her. For what connection does shaving of widows head has with the death of her husband ? The condition of widows was miserable. She was considered to be a harbinger of inauspiciousness and was not allowed to participate in ceremonies like marriage. This custom is still prevalent in some places. She has to spend her life alone In Rig Veda therre are references to slave girls being given in charity as gifts. After killing the menfolk of other tribes, particularly of the native inhabitants, their women were rounded up and used as slave girls. It was custom to present slave girls to one other as gifts. The kings used to present chariots full of slave girls to their kith and kin and preists (Rig Veda 6/27/8).
King Trasdasyu had given 50 slave girls. It was custom to present slave girls to Saubhri Kandav (Rig Veda 8/38, 5/47/6).

Intercourse without marriage

A slave girl was called 'Vadhu' (wife), with whom sexual intercourse could be performed without any kind of marriage ceremony. These girls belonged to the men who snatched them from the enemies, or who had received them in dowry, or as gifts. Only the men to whom they belonged could have sexual intercourse with them. But some slave girls were kept as joint property of the tribe or the village. Any man could have sexual rlations with them. These girls became the prostitutes. The 'Vedas' also talk about 'Niyog', the custom of childless, widow or woman having sexual intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a child.

In simple words 'Niyog' means sending a married woman or a widow to a particular man for sexual intercourse so that she gets a son. Indication of this custom is available in 'Rig Veda' In 'Aadiparva' of 'Mahabharata' (chap. 95 and 103), it is mentioned that Satywati had appointed her son to bestow sons to the queens of Vichitrvirya, the younger brother of Bhishma, as a result of which Dhratrashtra and Pandu were born.

Pandu himself has asked his wife, Kunti, to have sexual intercourse with a brahmin to get a son (Aadi Parva, chapters 120 to 123).


Chastity of woman was not safe

In the name of 'beejdan' (seed donation), they used to have sexual intercourse with issueless women. This was a cruel religious custom and the chastity of the women was not safe. The so called caretakers of the religion were allowed to have sexual intercourse with other man's wife. From 'Niyog pratha' it csn be inferred withouth fear of contradiction that women were looked upon as mere child producing machines.

In 'The Position of women in Hindu Civilization' Dr. B. R. Ambedkar writes:
"Though women is not married to man, she was considered to be a property of the entire family. But she was not getting share out of the property of her husband, only son could be successor to the property."

Gajdhar Prasad Baudh says: " No woman of the Vedic age can be treated as pure. Vedic man could not keep even the relations brother-sister and father-daughter sacred from the oven of rape and debauchery/adultery named 'Niyog'. Under the influence of intoxication of wine, they used to recognize neither their sister nor their daughter and also did not keep the relations with them in mind. It is evident from their debauchery and adultery what a miserable plight of women was society in then. (Refer 'Arya Niti Ka Bhadaphor'. 5th Edition page 14).

In the 'Vedas' there are instances where daughter was impregnated by her father and the sister by her brother. The following example of sexual intercourse is found between father and daughter in the 'Rig Veda':
"When father had sexual intercourse with his daughter, then with the help of earth he released his semen and at that time the Righteous Devas (deities) formed this 'Vartrashak (Rudra) Devta' (Pledge keeper diety named Rudra)" - Atharva Veda (20/96/15).

Lot of effort but, Modern day Hindus moved away from these practices . They won't consider Vedas as the guide to life and anything out of it as blasphemy.

There is a lot of difference between Vedic Indians and current Indians.

Regarding Women rights, You can see that in Hindu culture Women are treated well.
Goddess Durga or Kali is a powerful women, and even in Epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata Women are treated well.

 

[Black Widow]

Lot of effort but, Modern day Hindus moved away from these practices . They won't consider Vedas as the guide to life and anything out of it as blasphemy.

There is a lot of difference between Vedic Indians and current Indians.

Regarding Women rights, You can see that in Hindu culture Women are treated well.
Goddess Durga or Kali is a powerful women, and even in Epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata Women are treated well.

If he would have put same effort to reform his religion , he would have achived something. These ppl argument are lame.. If some one tell them that there is something in there religion, they start digging others religion and say see you are also bad...

 

[Black Widow]

Concluding remark

Its my personal view

Pakistani Diplomats are emotional fools. In 60 years they never learnt how diplomacy work. They never understand what nation means. This letter is diplomatic blunder.

1. I mock this letter doesn;t means I am anti Islam.
2. No country premier will send letter and mock on other nation law and order situation.
3. Zardari should have used some 2nd tier leader to send this message.
4.

 

[Parul]

Are you freakin kiddin me? hundredsof Rohingyas are killed, more than 22 thousands are homeless, four thousand six hundred and sixty five homes of Mulsims are put on fire in Myanmar in just week and you tend to justify their killing and silence of international community by giving false examples from Pakistan? when did it happen that score of people of any community is displaced by another community in pakistan in a week?? But yes it did happen in India several times... e.g., Gujrat riots. Get a life and have some moral courage to condemn this act!!!...

Why is Pakistan Killing Muslim Afghans Brother for sake of $$$$???

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Good gesture by Pakistani President. It is really need of time to stop attrocities in Myanmar by diplomatic ways.
Hope other countries joins in to support in favour of Rohignyaa muslims too.

Why is Pakistan Killing Muslim Afghans Brother for sake of $$$$???

In Pakistan's version of islam, they are allowed to kill muslims be it on their home-soil like balochistan or karachi also if its in foreign lands like bangladesh or afghanistan.

Its some thing religious to them to kill muslims after regular intervals.And if they are getting dollars in return then its like sugar in milk.