Roger Waters said: Israel is committing genocide.

[Novus ordu seclorum]

If you see ancient Jewish religion books, and Quran, you will see a clear influence.

Without ancient Jews, Islam wouldn't be the same.

If you believe in God, then it is a logical consequence of multiple serious violations of God's Covenant.
Quran 2-83
And [recall] when We took the covenant from the Children of Israel, [enjoining upon them], "Do not worship except Allah; and to parents do good and to relatives, orphans, and the needy. And speak to people good [words] and establish prayer and give zakah [purifying alms]. Then you turned away, except a few of you, and you were refusing.

Example of violation:

Gehenna - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

'During the late First Temple period, it was the site of the Tophet, where some of the kings of Judah had sacrificed their children by fire (Jeremiah 7:31).[4] Thereafter, it was cursed by the biblical prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 19:2–6).[5] In later Jewish rabbinic literature, Gehinnom became associated with divine punishment in Jewish Apocalypticism as the destination of the wicked.[6] It is different from the more neutral term Sheol, the abode of the dead. The King James Version of the Bible translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word hell.'

Gehennam [Jehennam] is the main word for Hell in the Quran.

 

[renhai]

Of course!

They can never do anything on their own unless others show them the way first. That's been shown over and over.

Yankees do everything alone?? You Yankees invade North Korea alone? Or invade Vietnam alone? Haiti? Panama? Cuba? Stop making international jokes. Even the invasion of Afghanistan. The Yankees also had to beg for help from their allies.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Quran 3-67 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.

Quran 4-125 And who is better in religion than one who submits himself to Allah while being a doer of good and follows the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth? And Allah took Abraham as an intimate friend.

Jews submitted to Allah, Jews were not Muslim

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Jews submitted to Allah, Jews were not Muslim

Not all Jews submit to Allah. Many Jews are atheists. Ancient Kings of Judah sacrificed children by fire, that is definitely not submission to Allah. The literal meaning of Muslim is one who submits to God in righteousness based on faith in God, else one becomes a hypocrite [pretending to be Muslim]. One could also be a non-believer [on fitrah] or a disbeliever. So, Islam is Abrahamic, Adamic, Noahic, Solomonic, Davidic, it includes all the Prophets of God, known and unknown. Quran is about faith, defining what is acceptable/unacceptable to God.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Not all Jews submit to Allah. Many Jews are atheists. Ancient Kings of Judah sacrificed children by fire, that is definitely not submission to Allah. The literal meaning of Muslim is one who submits to God in righteousness based on faith in God, else one becomes a hypocrite [pretending to be Muslim]. One could also be a non-believer [on fitrah] or a disbeliever. So, Islam is Abrahamic, Adamic, Noahic, Solomonic, Davidic, it includes all the Prophets of God, known and unknown. Quran is about faith, defining what is acceptable/unacceptable to God.

By that logic, many Muslims are atheists as well.

Jews that submitted to Allah, were not Muslims, they were Jews. You just try to change the definition of "submitting to Allah" to benefit Islam. Jesus was a Jew, not a Muslim. Jacob, Isaac, David, Shlomo, Solomon etc, all of those were Jews. Not Muslims.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

By that logic, many Muslims are atheists as well.

Jews that submitted to Allah, were not Muslims, they were Jews. You just try to change the definition of "submitting to Allah" to benefit Islam. Jesus was a Jew, not a Muslim. Jacob, Isaac, David, Shlomo, Solomon etc, all of those were Jews. Not Muslims.

Jew/Israeli definition is based on land/ancestry. Muslim definition is based purely on faith. Thus, an atheist by definition is not Muslim.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Jew/Israeli definition is based on land/ancestry. Muslim definition is based purely on faith. Thus, an atheist by definition is not Muslim.

I didn't say self declared atheists are Muslim, I meant many believing Muslims have done stuff that are considered a crime in Islam. So what, they're suddenly not Muslim now?

That's what allows you to say murderers, terrorists, rapists are not Muslims, even if they were huge believers all of their lives, and that's how Islam remains "innocent and pure"

 

[Iñigo]

Zionims

Zionism is

(1) it is the doctrine that says that "La Mancha" by a sentimental attachment belongs to the Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian Club of enthusiastic readers of "Don Quixote de la Mancha".

And

(2) is the Mental Software of an Aramaic ruling class of Persian times that draws a brutal distinction between a dominant people (a "HerrenVolk" in German) and what the literature of the rabbinic tradition called "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz" in Hebrew) and what John's text of the Nazarene tradition quoting the Sadducean priestly aristocracy calls "those damned people".

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

I didn't say self declared atheists are Muslim, I meant many believing Muslims have done stuff that are considered a crime in Islam. So what, they're suddenly not Muslim now?

That's what allows you to say murderers, terrorists, rapists are not Muslims, even if they were huge believers all of their lives, and that's how Islam remains "innocent and pure"

Many Jews call themselves Jews, yet can say they are atheist. This is simply not possible with the word Muslim because its literal meaning is based on faith in God. Individual Muslims commit mistakes, sins, and crimes for which they are accountable to society and ultimately to God. There maybe 'Muslims' pretending to be believers because of the culture of the society they live in. They are not Muslim by faith, and should come out of the closet if they are atheist. Such people also tend to use Islam most for politics or political nationalism.

 

[Iñigo]

In Roman times

In Roman times was very large the fracture between the (dominant) people and the (subjugated) population

In fact "the people of the land", i.e. the people of Galilee, Perea and Idumea and "an army of slaves and bandits" cut the throats of the dominant "people".

 

[Iñigo]

-70

It was the Palestinians, the Arab-Hebrew population, who fought against the Romans and their allies, the Sadducee priestly aristocracy.

 

[Englishman]

I didn't say self declared atheists are Muslim, I meant many believing Muslims have done stuff that are considered a crime in Islam. So what, they're suddenly not Muslim now?

That's what allows you to say murderers, terrorists, rapists are not Muslims, even if they were huge believers all of their lives, and that's how Islam remains "innocent and pure"

I think those who worship an estate agent shouldn't discuss God.

You are out of the creed of God now. Goodbye.

 

[BHAN85]

If you believe in God, then it is a logical consequence of multiple serious violations of God's Covenant.
Quran 2-83
And [recall] when We took the covenant from the Children of Israel, [enjoining upon them], "Do not worship except Allah; and to parents do good and to relatives, orphans, and the needy. And speak to people good [words] and establish prayer and give zakah [purifying alms]. Then you turned away, except a few of you, and you were refusing.

Example of violation:

Gehenna - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

'During the late First Temple period, it was the site of the Tophet, where some of the kings of Judah had sacrificed their children by fire (Jeremiah 7:31).[4] Thereafter, it was cursed by the biblical prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 19:2–6).[5] In later Jewish rabbinic literature, Gehinnom became associated with divine punishment in Jewish Apocalypticism as the destination of the wicked.[6] It is different from the more neutral term Sheol, the abode of the dead. The King James Version of the Bible translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word hell.'

Gehennam [Jehennam] is the main word for Hell in the Quran.

That's is theology, but I say, without Jewish people, Islam wouldn't be the same, that's a fact, and maybe even without Jewish people, Islam wouldn't exist at all.

 

[Beny Karachun]

maybe even without Jewish people, Islam wouldn't exist at all.

There's no maybe

 

[Iñigo]

Hebrew

Hebrew is the name that tributary palaces of the Egyptian empire give to some Arab tribes.

The archaeological sources and literary tradition are very clear.

The Polish and Ukrainian Zionists who founded "our colonial project" (Jabotinsky) would have preferred the land of Canaan to be an island off the coast of Norway; but no: the north of the land of Canaan was Phoenician (the Phoenicians called themselves "Canaanites") and the south was Arab.

"Yahweh" is an Arab divinity, and the one who built the Temple, an Arab, a typical and prototypical Arab-Hebrew: Herod.

The rabbis and priests of the Church of Rome are storytellers, creators of fables and tales for children. And the Zionists are a bunch of cruel and brutal cynics.