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Refurbished, like New? India Is Getting SU-30MKI Fighter Jets with Second-Hand Engines

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You are thinking too much. HAL is a government entity and people working there would not know the difference between new and refurbished.
what ???? you are really a genius, no wonder HAL indigenous A/C is doing well.
 
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indian su30s use russian su30s second hand engine that is why their performance never matches with russian su30s.India is dustbin of world powers
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The aircraft was initially designed to cater to the the local needs i.e. Russian military establishment and mind you operate at -10 degree or even at -20 degree.
When you put such an aircraft to a country where tropic of cancer passes things are bound to take a different shape however when it comes to repair and maintenance IAF is second to none.
 
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It will always happen for couple of reasons as 1) poster do not bother to check whether discussion already exist and 2) poster amends or alter title, which is violation and do not intimate about duplication.
Understood
 
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Is this some kind of yet another series of excuse to serve many purposes at once? Not to mention as how much IAF top brass is involved in corruption and kickbacks. India should not divorce Russia like this at least.
 
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by Dario Leone



Noteworthy Cat 2 (category B) or secondhand engines were installed into brand new Sukhoi 30 MKIs by HAL facility at Nashik without the knowledge and approval of the defence ministry.

As reported by Deccan Chronicle, it has come to light that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has delivered at least 18 Su-30MKI fighters to the Indian Air Force that are fitted with second-hand engines.

“It was noticed while checking the records…that AL 31FP engines fitted in certain aircraft was in Cat B condition at the time of inspection / delivery to Indian Air Force (IAF),” according to a report that was seen by Deccan Chronicle.

Each IAF Su-30MKI is powered by a pair of AL-31FP turbofan engines.

Noteworthy Cat 2 (category B) or secondhand engines were installed into brand new Sukhoi 30 MKIs by HAL facility at Nashik without the knowledge and approval of the defence ministry.

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However according to the report, what is surprising is the acceptance of such aircraft by the IAF. “Certain aircraft with one new and one old engine were wrongly accepted by IAF and the Directorate General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance. As these arrangements were not in tune with contractual provisions, it should have been rejected by IAF and DGAQA…. In any case, IAF should have obtained approval from MoD for accepting aircraft with one second hand engine.”

Currently India has a fleet of about 230 fighters although just half of them are operational.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-30mki-fighter-jets-second-hand-engines-75456

I think this is 6 years old news, can u send the link?
 
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I think this is 6 years old news, can u send the link?
August 22, 2019 Topic: Technology Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: IndiaIndian Air ForceSu-30MKISu-30Russia
Refurbished, like New? India Is Getting SU-30MKI Fighter Jets with Second-Hand Engines

Let's find out.

by Dario Leone

Noteworthy Cat 2 (category B) or secondhand engines were installed into brand new Sukhoi 30 MKIs by HAL facility at Nashik without the knowledge and approval of the defence ministry.

As reported by Deccan Chronicle, it has come to light that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has delivered at least 18 Su-30MKI fighters to the Indian Air Force that are fitted with second-hand engines.

“It was noticed while checking the records…that AL 31FP engines fitted in certain aircraft was in Cat B condition at the time of inspection / delivery to Indian Air Force (IAF),” according to a report that was seen by Deccan Chronicle.

Each IAF Su-30MKI is powered by a pair of AL-31FP turbofan engines.

Noteworthy Cat 2 (category B) or secondhand engines were installed into brand new Sukhoi 30 MKIs by HAL facility at Nashik without the knowledge and approval of the defence ministry.

However according to the report, what is surprising is the acceptance of such aircraft by the IAF. “Certain aircraft with one new and one old engine were wrongly accepted by IAF and the Directorate General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance. As these arrangements were not in tune with contractual provisions, it should have been rejected by IAF and DGAQA…. In any case, IAF should have obtained approval from MoD for accepting aircraft with one second hand engine.”

Currently India has a fleet of about 230 fighters although just half of them are operational.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-30mki-fighter-jets-second-hand-engines-75456

Check link and complete Article posted with date etc.
 
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Hi,
The aircraft was initially designed to cater to the the local needs i.e. Russian military establishment and mind you operate at -10 degree or even at -20 degree.
When you put such an aircraft to a country where tropic of cancer passes things are bound to take a different shape however when it comes to repair and maintenance IAF is second to none.
"when it comes to repair and maintenance IAF is second to none" lol, sure sure
 
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https://hal-india.co.in/Sukhoi Engine Division Koraput/M__140

Engine Division, Koraput was established in the year 2004 to manufacture AL31FP Engines engines for fitment in Su-30MKI Aircraft under Licence from Russia. In 2007-08 facilities were established for overhauling of AL31FP Engines under licence from Russia.

Over last five decades, Division has manufactured more than 350 engines and overhauled more than 300 Aero Engines with an aim to ensure maximum aircrafts flying.

AL31FP Manufacturing & Overhaul Project

Progress of manufacturing and overhaul works is reviewed through latest IT enabled systems ensures timely completion of assemblies and sub-assemblies of the engines. The stripped components are subject to stringent quality checks using modern technology like CMM, NDT and other non-contact measurements. Manufacturing, Repair and refurbishing of worn-out parts and sub-assemblies are undertaken by skilled workmen. Division is also manufacturing most of the components in-house, which are required during overhaul. Manufacturing, Repairs and Refurbishing Processes include machining, welding, hard alloy coatings, vibro-tumbling, micro-shot peening, ultrasonic strain hardening, nickel alloy powder coating and a large number of protective coatings. Assemblies, sub-assemblies and Engine accessories undergo rigorous functional tests on various Hydraulic, Fuel and Electrical Rigs. Quality control checks are carried out using various NDT methods, like X-ray, Magna-flux, Dye-penetrant check and ultrasonic inspection besides other conventional techniques. Overhaul of accessories is carried out in environmentally controlled rooms. Every manufactured / overhauled Engine undergoes rigorous tests on Engine test beds that simulate all flight conditions. The preliminary and final acceptance test, hot test, endurance test and gas dynamic stability tests are conducted through computerized controls. Electronically assisted throttle, digital and analog read-outs help get real-time simultaneous data and engine parameters during Engine testing.


TBO and TTL of AL31FP Engine is :

Project

TBO

TTL

AL31FP

1000 Hrs

2000 Hrs


Rotables
In addition to Engine IAF gives us additional task to overhaul Rotables. There are more than30 types of Rotables which are being overhauled in-house. All these Rotables undergo vigorous Quality checks and testing procedure before being released to bases for exploitation.

Supply of Spares and other major units
The Division manufactures and supplies the entire range of spares required for first and second-line servicing of engines at the IAF bases and base repair depots.

Site Repair
The Division undertakes site repair of Engines at the IAF bases by deputing site repair teams regularly.

Defect Investigation/Failure Analysis
The Engines / Aggregates which are received due to premature withdrawal from the units are studied and the causes for defects/failures are investigated. After proper analysis and deliberation, corrective action is taken to minimize the recurrence of defects in future.

Workshops
The Division conducts workshops regularly to the customers at Koraput in specialized areas for better understanding and utilization of the products.

Positioning of Service Engineers
The Division has posted Service Engineers at various IAF bases to closely liaise and assess the requirement of the customers. Based on the feed-back received from these Service Engineers, the Division renders adequate support for fully utilizing the products.
 
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It says initially published in 2017 but i remember i heard this news even before that
that is a comment under the article, until the person who posted that comment provides a link to authenticate his claim or someone search and find old Article, Published date is Aug 22, 2019.

If same new came out in 2017 or earlier, it means this is issue is on going and never fixed, which shows competency a professionalism of Indians/ HAL etc.
 
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Hi,
The aircraft was initially designed to cater to the the local needs i.e. Russian military establishment and mind you operate at -10 degree or even at -20 degree.
When you put such an aircraft to a country where tropic of cancer passes things are bound to take a different shape however when it comes to repair and maintenance IAF is second to none.

What your story has to do with the issues in hand???

However according to the report, what is surprising is the acceptance of such aircraft by the IAF. “Certain aircraft with one new and one old engine were wrongly accepted by IAF and the Directorate General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance. As these arrangements were not in tune with contractual provisions, it should have been rejected by IAF and DGAQA…. In any case, IAF should have obtained approval from MoD for accepting aircraft with one second hand engine.

HAl and IAF joined hands and no approval was taken or even informed MoD.....Second to none...
 
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