Recognizing Israel, here is what we should do.

[LeGenD]

When you send your kids to beaconhouse and indoctrinate them with western ideologies, they grow up with identity crisis and create stupid threads like this.

Pakistan official name is; "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", the founder Quaid-e-Azam strongly opposed the forming of illegitimate state called Israel.

Recognizing Isreal would mean that we give up on our lifelong struggles with Kashmir and betray our Kashmiri brothers and ultimately Islam. Thousands of Pakistani civilians, troops, tribesmen have sacrificed their lives for it.

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So why WE recognize India? Why this double standard? Allah Almighty does not reward double standards. Just look at the sorry state of affairs in Pakistan.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Just put the question to vote if people of Pakistan want to work with Israel or not. Instead some of the nonsensical racist anti Semitic some of you are spewing here, that too in the name of your God! Do you seriously think a God would be racist against a whole people ? Knuckleheads.

Didn't you see an Israeli poster here continually write 'Palestinians' in quotation in a thread he opened. Not recognizing them as a people is hate too. And Palestinians are Semite. Classical area of Bilad al Sham [Land of Semites] include Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

Didn't you see an Israeli poster here continually write 'Palestinians' in quotation in a thread he opened. Not recognizing them as a people is hate too. And Palestinians are Semite. Classical area of Bilad al Sham [Land of Semites] include Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan.

Sure, the main point is just let your people decide instead of bringing religion God and even the agog mgog type nonsense to vent on the jews. One idiot actually wrote jews were saved from Hitler ! 6 million

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Sure, the main point is just let your people decide instead of bringing religion God and even the agog mgog type nonsense to vent on the jews. One idiot actually wrote jews were saved from Hitler ! 6 million

You made no sense. Who are my people and who are yours.

 

[CLUMSY]

Whether we recognize Israel or not doesnt matter much to Israel, but it would matter to us if we end up recognizing. A country which hasnt fixed its sewage problems in 70 years does not have much to offer to a small country holding most of the middle east hostage and building a anti missile laser lol. Whether you recognize israel or not because of your own set of morals cannot negate this in my opinion.

 

[Iñigo]

There are a handful of stories that are only tangentially related to this tangled web

(1) "Moses" and TutMoses III: The history of the tribes of freemen and bandits: the Arab-Hebrew goatherds and the Egyptian empire.

(2) An Aramean ruling class that arrived in the land of Canaan with books, money and Persian power and with the project to dominate the Arab-Hebrew population (Zionism 1.0)

(3) The history of a Religion, Judaism, which spread like wildfire among women and which was spread "throughout all the nations of the world" (Flavius Josephus), i.e. the Greek-Roman world plus the Persian world, which was the whole world at the time as seen from the Mediterranean.

(4) "the events that occurred among us" when Menachem raided the Masadah arms depot and cut the throat of the High Priest, and the sons of the Sadducee priestly aristocracy killed Menachem "after subjecting him to many torments".

"The events that have occurred between us" are three:

A) Civil war in Syria, "cities divided into two sides"

B) Civil war between the population, the people of Galilea, Perea and Idumea and "the people (of the lords)" of the city-Temple

C) War against the Romans culminating in the destruction of the Temple, fulfilling the prophecy of the Nazarene who was crucified in the time of Pontius Pilate.

(5) The history of rabbinical Judaism (200/400-): the traditionalist rabbis decided not to be a religion and after many years managed to control the synagogues and forged the Yiddish people in Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine.

In Late Antiquity and the High Middle Ages, the bulk of Judaism was in Persia and Hispania.

Of the three branches within rabbinic Judaism (mizrahim, sefardim, askenazim) he third one triumphed in Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine thanks to the following Totem-Pole:

A) Catholic ruling class
B) Yiddish people
C) Christian peasantry

Paradise for A and B, hell on earth for C, and paradise was destroyed by the Cossacks ...

Khmelnytsky Uprising - Wikipedia

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... and it was "the Deluge"

Deluge (history) - Wikipedia

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(6) The story of some very violent Ukrainian, Russian and Polish savages who as a Viking horde founded "our colonial project" (Jabotinsky)

Ze'ev Jabotinsky - Wikipedia

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[mudas777]

There are two things; Israeli nation and Israeli nation state. Israeli nation is mentioned in the holy Quran and it is part of our faith. Israeli nation state has some issues and disputes.

We should go with what is already part of our faith i.e. recognize Israeli nation and not the latter.

We should have their ambassador in Pakistan and have imports from them. But we won't send our ambassador to Jerusalem. Neither shall we send our exports there but to any third country.

This arrangement continues uptil the said nation state has solved it's issues and disputes.

Poor you that's the depth one has to sink to put medal of shame to put around our necks. Majority of Pakistanis against it our Quid have put statement decades ago and we are sticking to that statement. Israel must go back to the 1967 borders per UN resolutions and there are no but's and if's.
Tiny Israel is not a manufacturing state like China and have been raised and kept in the ICU alive by the US funding and have got nothing to offer us. They are supplying weapons to India do you really think they are going to sell weapons to us and loose that market. We produce our own citrus and drip technology one can learn from the Youtube as its so basic since they are making such a big deal about it, so enlighten me what Israel can offer us that we don't have or live without.
Infact we can sell weapons to Syria like Israeli's are doing to India and that will be a good response but considering broader game, issues and other factors we are holding it back as we are a banana state. Even one can hang a banana upside down but still answer will be a big NO.

 

[Iñigo]

Papal States (750-1870)

Papal States - Wikipedia

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A fanatical group of Catholics from Argentina unleash Terror on the Italians, expel them, and lock them up in guethos under military domination.

A Viking horde is not a "State": there is a "State" when the power recognizes the population of the controlled territory as Citizens.

Enough of justifying the Barbarism of "our colonial project".

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[kingQamaR]

Pakistans principle stance is that of the father of the nation Mr Mohammed Ali Jinnah decreed until the Palestinians get a just and amicable settlement their an be no acceptance of Israel. Pakistan cannot deviate from this stance due to the support of Pakistan for the plebiscite of the people of Indian occupied Kashmir for the right of self determination pending in the United Nations for over 70 years

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You have quoted the Surah out of context and timeline. A visible and clear blunder made by those who do NOT study the Noble Qur'an.

Go back and try again!!!

Also, United Nations Security Council is NOT Al-Akbar, Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah is Al-Akbar.

Get your priorities straightened out.

you converted us successfully

go preach Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, UAE Qatar quickly.

 

[nahtanbob]

Welcome Israel PDF members to verify the authenticity of my following statements:


I once talked with an Israeli Jew, and I think his opinion can represent the idea of most Israeli Jews.

1. The United States is not reliable. Not only is the United States declining, but the United States may elect presidents like Rashida tlaib and Marjorie Taylor Greene. What is worse is that the American system has no ability to reunite the increasingly polarized people, who are easily manipulated by targeted propaganda.

2. China is also unreliable. Unlike the United States and the European Union, Israel has no ability to change the measures taken by the Chinese government. China also lacks the will to participate in the Middle East political conflict, and is more willing to enter the business field. China is also an important supporter of Iran. For Israel, taking a tough attitude toward China will not gain much short-term benefits. On the contrary, it will bring too much uncertainty to the future. Since Israel's most important relationship is with the United States, Israel's approach is to keep a distance from China, but it is closer than the United States hopes. At the same time, in the negotiations with the United States, China was used as a bargaining chip.

3. India will be the most important ally of Israel in the future. India is willing to expand its influence over Israel and the Middle East. As India's demand for energy grows, its will will become stronger. India is developing its ability to project military power, and India is usually willing to provide military assistance to other countries. Israel can also indirectly obtain Russia's veto support in the UN Security Council through India.

4. Although Russia is willing to intervene in the political struggle in the Middle East, Russians prefer to play a balanced role. Moreover, Russia's economic and industrial capacity is limited and it is unable to provide adequate support. The European Union does not have a united and unified foreign policy, and its internal anti Semitic voice is more than that of the United States.





So I don't think Israel is willing to reconcile with Pakistan, but not for Arabs and Palestinians, but for India.

USA will not abandon Israel. Most Republicans and Democrats support Israel. Support for Israel is not strong among Asian and Hispanic immigrants. But they are small portion of the overall electorate.

China is not anti-Israel. But as you point out Israel cannot influence China's behavior towards Israel's enemies

 

[MH.Yang]

USA will not abandon Israel. Most Republicans and Democrats support Israel. Support for Israel is not strong among Asian and Hispanic immigrants. But they are small portion of the overall electorate.

China is not anti-Israel. But as you point out Israel cannot influence China's behavior towards Israel's enemies

Don't you understand? Israeli Jews have indeed seen the anti Semitic statements of several potential American presidential candidates, as well as the widespread anti Semitic propaganda in the United States. But this is not what they are most worried about. As you said, Israel is an important part of the US strategic layout. What they are most worried about is that the American society is increasingly divided, and the divided population is most easily guided by targeted propaganda. No one can guarantee that Jews will never be the victims of these propaganda.

 

[Trango Towers]

Obviously, the opening poster is a false flag.

but if Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel, I think Pakistan should do the same.

Pakistan need to have its own independent foreign policy but with lotas in charge I saw a video yesterday where the same sex marriage is going to be passed as law in Pakistan. So who knows what will happen

 

[Iñigo]

"anti Semitic statements of several potential American presidential candidates"

Wooow

could you give an example

You mean Joe "I am a Zionist" Biden

or

You mean Donald Trump who was brought to the white house by Breitbart:

In this picture you can see the son of BenZion, a Pole, a trusted man of Jabotinsky, a Ukrainian.

Ukrainians and Poles founded "Our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky)

Ze'ev Jabotinsky - Wikipedia

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So the only way to make sense of your words is that any American president, whether the candidate of the Pharisee oligarchy or the candidate of the Sadducee oligarchy, despises "the (Semitic) people of the land of Canaan", that is: the Palestinians.

 

[LakeHawk180]

Obviously, the opening poster is a false flag.

but if Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel, I think Pakistan should do the same.

So will all pakistani passports be reissued? I mean it explicitly states that’s it’s valid in all countries except Israel.

I can already imagine the public outrage.