Recognizing Israel, here is what we should do.

[Beny Karachun]

This was the sentiment back in the days but WE need to move forward with times.

WE can push for integration of Palestinian people in Israeli society. One-state solution in short.

This will never happen, this is even worse than a two-state solution.
Any one state solution will never include the integration of the Palestinians in Israeli society, we are totally incompatible.

 

[Iñigo]

Barbarism

Indeed, the dream of European fascism came true in "the land of Canaan" thanks to violent Ukrainian and Polish fanatics that founded "our colonial project":

"a people (of lords)" (HerrensVolk) and subjugated "people of the land" ("am ha'eretz")

You Zionists do not have a "State", because a State has citizens, you are a Viking horde with nuclear weapons.

 

[OverandOut]

There are two things; Israeli nation and Israeli nation state. Israeli nation is mentioned in the holy Quran and it is part of our faith. Israeli nation state has some issues and disputes.

We should go with what is already part of our faith i.e. recognize Israeli nation and not the latter.

We should have their ambassador in Pakistan and have imports from them. But we won't send our ambassador to Jerusalem. Neither shall we send our exports there but to any third country.

This arrangement continues uptil the said nation state has solved it's issues and disputes.

Little knowledge is dangerous.
This is what happens when you just read quran and don’t research the context.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan need to have its own independent foreign policy but with lotas in charge I saw a video yesterday where the same sex marriage is going to be passed as law in Pakistan. So who knows what will happen

Personally, LGBT is all bullshit.

As a Muslim I reject that nonsense.

 

[MH.Yang]

No one is reliable. US is our closest ally but because of the Democrats we can't rely on them militarily.
The very fact Biden is not attacking the Iranian nuclear program and wishes to return to the nuclear agreement, boost the Iranian economy and allow them to have a nuclear breakthrough capability of only a few weeks to a few months, while the Iranians continue with their terror, shows their unreliability.



Israel never relied on China, and Israel doesn't abide by China's wants/needs. US is closer and more important to us than China.


Not at all, I highly doubt it. Israeli-Indian operational cooperation is very limited, and India's power projection capabilities in our region are pretty much non-existent, just like China.


No, do you think India stopped its relations with the Palestinians for us? The world doesn't work that way, the enemy of my friend is not necessarily my enemy. Given the fact there is no active war between Pakistan and India, that sentence is even more solid. We will sell weapons to India in case of a war.
If anything Israel will be a mediator for the two countries if possible. Israel has no hatred toward Pakistan

On the issue of China, Israeli Jews did not fully follow the instructions of the USA.

Israel is heavily involved in China's B&R plan. It has agreed to China's acquisition of Tnuva, Haifa Port, Ashdod Port, Tel Aviv Metropolitan Light Rail, etc. In terms of China's most valued B&R global strategy, Jews are completely on the opposite side of the USA.

For the sake of interests, Jews can abandon their allies, even the USA. This is what we expected long ago. And for the same benefit, you will definitely choose India.

As we agreed before, the United States is not reliable for Israel, and Israel needs to choose an alternative for the future. India is the only viable option for Israel.

Yes. India does not have enough military projection capability now, but they may have it in the future. Yes. India has not stopped its relations with Palestine, but this is not important, and it can stop at any time. More importantly, India has great willingness to participate in the political struggle in the Middle East, and it is also the most powerful country in the Indian Ocean region. Israel also needs the veto power of the United Nations. India will be happy to coordinate the relationship between Israel and Russia and obtain the support of the veto power of Russia.

 

[nahtanbob]

On the issue of China, Israeli Jews did not fully follow the instructions of the USA.

Israel is heavily involved in China's B&R plan. It has agreed to China's acquisition of Tnuva, Haifa Port, Ashdod Port, Tel Aviv Metropolitan Light Rail, etc. In terms of China's most valued B&R global strategy, Jews are completely on the opposite side of the USA.

For the sake of interests, Jews can abandon their allies, even the USA. This is what we expected long ago. And for the same benefit, you will definitely choose India.

As we agreed before, the United States is not reliable for Israel, and Israel needs to choose an alternative for the future. India is the only viable option for Israel.

Yes. India does not have enough military projection capability now, but they may have it in the future. Yes. India has not stopped its relations with Palestine, but this is not important, and it can stop at any time. More importantly, India has great willingness to participate in the political struggle in the Middle East, and it is also the most powerful country in the Indian Ocean region. Israel also needs the veto power of the United Nations. India will be happy to coordinate the relationship between Israel and Russia and obtain the support of the veto power of Russia.

What a crock pot full of misinformation ?

United States not reliable for Israel ?? You should share some of the strong stuff you are smoking with rest of us

 

[ThunderCat]

didnt israel many years ago tried to attack paks nuclear installation and land in india?

That was then, not anymore. Israel has also worked with Pakistan during the Cold War, so we do have overlapping interests.

Currently the common threat to both countries is the nuclear program of the the Iranian regime, a close ally of India and a strong supporter of Shia extremism in Pakistan.

Iran currently remains the stronger threat than Saudi Arabia because of it's nuclear ambitions. They need to be stopped.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan need to have its own independent foreign policy but with lotas in charge I saw a video yesterday where the same sex marriage is going to be passed as law in Pakistan. So who knows what will happen

No way to LGBT and all that shit.

That shit can stay in the West.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Sorry but real recognize real.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Sorry but real recognize real.

Personally, if Saudi Arabia accepts, then Pakistan and Iran should follow because there is no point in standing up to an empire.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Israel is heavily involved in China's B&R plan. It has agreed to China's acquisition of Tnuva, Haifa Port, Ashdod Port, Tel Aviv Metropolitan Light Rail, etc. In terms of China's most valued B&R global strategy, Jews are completely on the opposite side of the USA.

We benefit from you economically, it has nothing to do with the military alliance we have with the US.
I'm sorry to tell you this but the relationship Israel has with China is incomparable to the alliance we have with the US.

For the sake of interests, Jews can abandon their allies, even the USA. This is what we expected long ago. And for the same benefit, you will definitely choose India.

As we agreed before, the United States is not reliable for Israel, and Israel needs to choose an alternative for the future. India is the only viable option for Israel.

Jews won't abandon the US, ever, we will not cut our ties with the US, Israelis love the US. I didn't fully agree, I said the we can't rely on the Democrats as much (Actually, no one can), but the US is still very much an ally of Israel and I don't believe this will ever change.

Israel doesn't need an alternative, it could very much survive without any military assistance, in fact I believe if Israel was alone and didn't need to care about anyone judging every step it makes, Israel's security status would have been much better.
Israel doesn't have just one singular ally, leave aside the fact Jews are in key positions all around the world, Israel is a major non-NATO ally, it has an excellent relationship with European countries, Azerbaijan, UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and from what I understood Saudi Arabia as well. The only threat Israel faces is Iran and if Israel would unleash its power Iran and its proxies are in deep trouble.

Yes. India does not have enough military projection capability now, but they may have it in the future. Yes. India has not stopped its relations with Palestine, but this is not important, and it can stop at any time. More importantly, India has great willingness to participate in the political struggle in the Middle East, and it is also the most powerful country in the Indian Ocean region. Israel also needs the veto power of the United Nations. India will be happy to coordinate the relationship between Israel and Russia and obtain the support of the veto power of Russia.

Why would we need Indian power projection in the Middle East though? No superpower is about to invade us, all we need is to face Iran, we have allies present already for that.

 

[Conqueror]

There are two things; Israeli nation and Israeli nation state. Israeli nation is mentioned in the holy Quran and it is part of our faith. Israeli nation state has some issues and disputes.

We should go with what is already part of our faith i.e. recognize Israeli nation and not the latter.

We should have their ambassador in Pakistan and have imports from them. But we won't send our ambassador to Jerusalem. Neither shall we send our exports there but to any third country.

This arrangement continues uptil the said nation state has solved it's issues and disputes.

Good try. We know Israel through Quran and and so we do Fireon and Hamaan. Are they also part of your fath?

Some members is Defence forces are dying to eat the forbidden fruit.

 

[nahtanbob]

Jews won't abandon the US, ever, we will not cut our ties with the US, Israelis love the US. I didn't fully agree, I said the we can't rely on the Democrats as much (Actually, no one can), but the US is still very much an ally of Israel and I don't believe this will ever change.

I am not a fan of Democratic Party. But majority of Democrats would back Israel. 25/27 Jews in the House and all 10 Jewish Senators are Democrats

 

[khansaheeb]

This will never happen, this is even worse than a two-state solution.
Any one state solution will never include the integration of the Palestinians in Israeli society, we are totally incompatible.

Isn't that what you told the Palestinians when they allowed you into their land, that you will live peacefully with them?

 

[Iñigo]

Yeshayahu

Yeshayahu expressed it in a way that I would not dare to repeat; but it is evident to anyone informed that "our colonial project" in "the land of Canaan" is the very definition of Barbarism.

Yeshayahu Leibowitz - Wikipedia

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