RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN is he that bad?

[TurAr]

Like I said whether you believe it or not, due to business I remain roughly 3 months a year in turkey.
So the matter of fact is, since I have two nation's to compare with each other , due to the fact that I live in both Turkey and the Netherlands, I can pretty much come to a conclusion that the Turkish human rights are still rubbish. But at least it is improving.

Oh, i completely agree on that. But it isn't improving, it is getting worse.

You will always get the same answer from the Turks in Turkey: You have no idea what you are talking about. I mean, there is a huge pressure on religious minorities by badems but you are worried about the oppressors rather than victims.

 

[olcayto]

All those Islamists in Turkey are as bad or even worse then the PKK they should get deported to saudi arabia or Qatar if they like sharia that much there they can have 3 wives and can pretend to be good muslims

I think you should not open your mouth on where a Turk should live. Like I said as long as people like you exist in turkey real human rights shall never prevail. Let everybody be whatever he wants to be. If he's an atheist let him be that, if he's an Islamist let him be that too.
Live and let live.

 

[TurAr]

I think you should not open your mouth on where a Turk should live. Like I said as long as people like you exist in turkey real human rights shall never prevail. Let everybody be whatever he wants to be. If he's an atheist let him be that, if he's an Islamist let him be that too.
Live and let live.

AKP is exactly doing the opposite. Although, you seem to have good intentions, but you are proving your ignorance by saying that while supporting AKP's actions at the same time.

 

[olcayto]

Oh, i completely agree on that. But it isn't improving, it is getting worse.

You will always get the same answer from the Turks in Turkey: You have no idea what you are talking about. I mean, there is a huge pressure on religious minorities by badems but you are worried about the oppressors rather than victims.

Let's consider that I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's say that I'm on the wrong end of this.

To inform the international community of human rights around the world, there are various internationally recognised instances that make a annual report of all countries. Now according to you we should declare those fake and your words true?

 

[TurAr]

Let's consider that I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's say that I'm on the wrong end of this.

To inform the international community of human rights around the world, there are various internationally recognised instances that make a annual report of all countries. Now according to you we should declare those fake and your words true?

Please share them here. I don't know what you mean by internationally recognized reports.

 

[Ahiska]

I think you should not open your mouth on where a Turk should live. Like I said as long as people like you exist in turkey real human rights shall never prevail. Let everybody be whatever he wants to be. If he's an atheist let him be that, if he's an Islamist let him be that too.
Live and let live.

I dont even live in Turkey i was only in Turkey 2 times in my live but even i see the danger those extremists are doing.
I dont want that Turkey becomes an islamic state.

 

[olcayto]

AKP is exactly doing the opposite. Although, you seem to have good intentions, but you are proving your ignorance by saying that while supporting AKP's actions at the same time.

My support to akp is purely based on the economics of turkey.
Because in the end nothing else will bring prosperity to our nation. Even all the achievement in military equipment we discuss in here are possible because of a good economy .

Please share them here. I don't know what you mean by internationally recognized reports.

I will the moment I can reach a PC.

 

[TurAr]

My support to akp is purely based on the economics of turkey.
Because in the end nothing else will bring prosperity to our nation. Even all the achievement in military equipment we discuss in here are possible because of a good economy .

Really? You are talking like as if it wasn't you who were praising AKP for improving human rights and freedoms in Turkey.

 

[olcayto]

I dont even live in Turkey i was only in Turkey 2 times in my live but even i see the danger those extremists are doing.
I dont want that Turkey becomes an islamic state.

Well I don't want an Islamic authoritarian country either.
But just for the sake that we don't want anything bad to happen to our country, does not give us permission to do whatever we want.

 

[LegionnairE]

Turn everything as much as you want. The fact is Turkey can't even give freedom of religion to it's majority of sunni muslims, let alone they can give it to alevis , christians and jews. It's a banana democracy in the end. To whitness real democracy i gladly invite you to live a couple of years in a western country like the Netherlands or germany.

Sure, do i need to bring up Diyanet's budget here? We have more imam hatips than most vocational high schools, we have mandatory religion lessons in schools, we have selective religion classes in military schools now sure you don't have the freedom of religion because government is paying for construction of new mosques everywhere, It's problematic for teachers to be appointed but not for imams government pays imams' salary but you're still the victims

Sure you don't have freedom of religion punk. Stop crying bichez, it's boring.

 

[olcayto]

Sure, do i need to bring up Diyanet's budget here? We have more imam hatips than most vocational high schools, we have mandatory religion lessons in schools, we have selective religion classes in military schools now sure you don't have the freedom of religion because government is paying for construction of new mosques everywhere, It's problematic for teachers to be appointed but not for imams government pays imams' salary but you're still the victims

Sure you don't have freedom of religion punk. Stop crying bichez, it's boring.

Do I need to repeat myself that happened under this government. Until then there was no such thing

 

[Ahiska]

The whole state is above the people if people need to get out or to be sacrificied for the country it needs to be done for this stands the country.

 

[LegionnairE]

Do I need to repeat myself that happened under this government. Until then there was no such thing

Most of what I mentioned was always true. Imam hatips' numbers were swelling even under Kenan Evren's presidency for fvck's sake. All this bvtthurt is about headscarf ban in Universities which I think was a well-justified decision. If you look at the events taking place in big universities in Turkey today you'll understand why.
İstanbul Üniversitesi'nde Hizbullahçılar saldırdı: 56 öğrenci gözaltına alındı!

 

[olcayto]

Most of what I mentioned was always true. Imam hatips' numbers were swelling even under Kenan Evren's presidency for fvck's sake. All this bvtthurt is about headscarf ban in Universities which I think was a well-justified decision. If you look at the events taking place in big universities in Turkey today you'll understand why.
İstanbul Üniversitesi'nde Hizbullahçılar saldırdı: 56 öğrenci gözaltına alındı!

Well the headscarf is allowed in the Netherlands why don't we have these problems?
Then explain to me. What are the causes of all the other problems in the university?
Communists , ultra nationals, pro Kurdish, leftist Kemalist. What are your excuses for these riots? Headscarf again?

 

[Oublious]

Most of what I mentioned was always true. Imam hatips' numbers were swelling even under Kenan Evren's presidency for fvck's sake. All this bvtthurt is about headscarf ban in Universities which I think was a well-justified decision. If you look at the events taking place in big universities in Turkey today you'll understand why.
İstanbul Üniversitesi'nde Hizbullahçılar saldırdı: 56 öğrenci gözaltına alındı!

Muhahaha sol haber. DHKPC and pkk lovers....