Rebuilding Pakistan Navy Aviation.

[Penguin]

Lol, you use worthless article as your answer? What I said were comments from Chinese pilots who flew both Su-30MKK and JH-7A.

Of course ;-)

it [jh-7] was rejected by PLAAF who is in favor of Su-30MKK and has become the first dedicated maritime attack aircraft for PLA Naval Aviation.
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Nonetheless, engineers at 603 Institute ... making various improvements on JH-7
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The result is the upgraded JH-7A ... , capable of delivering a variety of PGMs and stand-off missiles. Its export version is dubbed FBC-1 (Fighter/Bomber Export-1), which was unveiled at Zhuhai International Airshow in November 1998, but has yet to attract any foreign customers.
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The precision strike capability is believed to be a major requirement JH-7A has to meet in order to attract orders from PLAAF.

http://cnair.top81.cn/q-5_jh-7_h-6.htm

Based on J-11B, this tandem-seat trainer/strike version has been speculated to be in the same class of Su-30MKK
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Besides PL-8 and PL-12 AAMs, it could also carry the same precision guided weapons being carried by JH-7A
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Compared to JH-7A, J-11BS is expected to have a more powerful radar, a greater weapon load and a longer range. Once in production, the aircraft could eventually replace the earlier Su-30MKK.

http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

 

[Sanchez]

Of course ;-)


Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force


Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

lol, whatever.

 

[pakistantiger]

jh-a for maritime strike duties better dan mirage-5

 

[letsbefriends]

What is IN Avaiation?

Some recked BAE Harriers i think only half a dozen are operational since they crashed 16.

MIG-29K, come on.... Its not a Super Jet by any means!

r u kiddin me..we have atleast 8 of sea harriers n abt mig 29 k's they r the most potent naval aircraft around asia..the capabilities include..ZHUK ME radar which can trck 10 targets in air and lock 4 at the same time.
its armaments include air to surface missiles like
kh25ml/mp
kh29t
kh31b/31g
unguided rockets
laser guided bombs like KAB 500BR

KH31P is used as a passive radar seeker anti radiation missile
kh 35 and kh 31a r used as anti ship missile..
anti air missile includes
R 27,R 73AND R77

WE HAVE 45 OF THOSE ON ORDER AND INDIAN NAVY HAS ISSUED A RFP FOR 40 MORE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT WITH AN OPTION OF UPTO 20 MORE TO FOLLOWING
1)RAFALE
2)JSF
3)GRIPEN(CARRIER VERSION)
4)f 18..

these planes can be seen around 2020 in the indian navy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

r u kiddin me..we have atleast 8 of sea harriers n abt mig 29 k's they r the most potent naval aircraft around asia..the capabilities include..ZHUK ME radar which can trck 10 targets in air and lock 4 at the same time.
its armaments include air to surface missiles like
kh25ml/mp
kh29t
kh31b/31g
unguided rockets
laser guided bombs like KAB 500BR

KH31P is used as a passive radar seeker anti radiation missile
kh 35 and kh 31a r used as anti ship missile..
anti air missile includes
R 27,R 73AND R77

WE HAVE 45 OF THOSE ON ORDER AND INDIAN NAVY HAS ISSUED A RFP FOR 40 MORE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT WITH AN OPTION OF UPTO 20 MORE TO FOLLOWING
1)RAFALE
2)JSF
3)GRIPEN(CARRIER VERSION)
4)f 18..

these planes can be seen around 2020 in the indian navy

7 Mirage vs 90 Indian crafts and india is ordering more over kill nahi ?

 

[letsbefriends]

7 Mirage vs 90 Indian crafts and india is ordering more over kill nahi ?

buddy not against any country specifically...

 

[Aamir Hussain]

buddy not against any country specifically...

Let us try to figure out who is out to get India:

1. Pakistan -- already bulk of ground forces stationed against Pakistan and same is the case with the air force
2. China -- Bulk of the air force is not on the Chinese border! Similarly armored formations are not engaged there as the border is not tank able country.
3. Nepal -- !!!!!!!
4. Bhutan -- !!!!
5. Bangladesh -- Light Infantry formations and very little air force elements are committed to any kind of defense on the those borders.
6. Burma -- !!!!!
7. Siri Lanka -- Yeah the naval buildup is for ultimate endgame battle with Siri Lanka.

Let us stop kidding ourselves -- Indian State has hegemonic designs in the area and all else is BS/window dressing.

With neighbors like the above five -- you do not need SU's or anything close to that. Since today, India and for that matter Russia or US do not have a hope to get away with a limited military victory against China in any conflict -- I do not think India is also under no illusion to think otherwise. Therefore, the equation balances out to the logical conclusion -- draw Pakistan into an arms race by leveraging ones own economic strength (This was done by the Reagan Admin against the Soviets -- Star Wars etc.) and finish off the country by an economic implosion.

That is why all the "Over kill" in all areas of defense buildup.

The trick for us would be not to get sucked in to this race and remain in the minimum credible defense posture. Therefore, no Aircraft Carriers, no Grippens or Raphael's or Leapord II's but more affordable, sustainable, effective, localized (progressively manufactured in Pakistan) hardware with smaller mobile structuring on all deployed manpower and hardware.

My two cents!!!

 

[Penguin]

lol, whatever.

versus unsubstatiated hearsay (my third cousin's sister's boyfriend who is in the airforce)

 

[Aamir Hussain]

It would not be wise to keep on inducting different platforms for various roles (JH-7 for Naval Attack etc). Remember, India suffered from this problem all its operational life -- Soviet, French, British a/c and at one point had over 10 +different platforms from transport to fighter a/c -- it was an operational nightmare for the air force -- not counting helos.

Pakistan on the other hand in 1965 used just five platforms including transport, trainer a/c. In 71' there were the Sabers, Mirages ( just coming into operational units), and the Mig 19.

It would be advisable for the Air Force to keep the number of platforms down to bare minimum for ease of crew training, maintenance, depot support, spare inventory etc.

A better alternative would be a souped up JF-17 or using the F-16 as the naval strike element.

The force should be structured around F-16, JF-17, J-10 and various other a/c on their way out by 2013.

 

[letsbefriends]

Let us try to figure out who is out to get India:

1. Pakistan -- already bulk of ground forces stationed against Pakistan and same is the case with the air force
2. China -- Bulk of the air force is not on the Chinese border! Similarly armored formations are not engaged there as the border is not tank able country.
3. Nepal -- !!!!!!!
4. Bhutan -- !!!!
5. Bangladesh -- Light Infantry formations and very little air force elements are committed to any kind of defense on the those borders.
6. Burma -- !!!!!
7. Siri Lanka -- Yeah the naval buildup is for ultimate endgame battle with Siri Lanka.

Let us stop kidding ourselves -- Indian State has hegemonic designs in the area and all else is BS/window dressing.

With neighbors like the above five -- you do not need SU's or anything close to that. Since today, India and for that matter Russia or US do not have a hope to get away with a limited military victory against China in any conflict -- I do not think India is also under no illusion to think otherwise. Therefore, the equation balances out to the logical conclusion -- draw Pakistan into an arms race by leveraging ones own economic strength (This was done by the Reagan Admin against the Soviets -- Star Wars etc.) and finish off the country by an economic implosion.

That is why all the "Over kill" in all areas of defense buildup.

The trick for us would be not to get sucked in to this race and remain in the minimum credible defense posture. Therefore, no Aircraft Carriers, no Grippens or Raphael's or Leapord II's but more affordable, sustainable, effective, localized (progressively manufactured in Pakistan) hardware with smaller mobile structuring on all deployed manpower and hardware.

My two cents!!!

but u can also see that the modernisation drive has started recently..indian army didnt purchased any artillery guns since the bofors scam in 1988 also india only purchased the t-90 when pakistan purchased t-80..apart from sukhoi's all our aircraft needs immediate upradation,so we r doing it and also looking at the threat perception we have the mighty china on our NE who has bigger air force,army and navy then us,so we r buildig ourselves up to the minimum credible defence level..if we sit down idle and hope dat US or russia will come to our aid it will be nothing less than suicidal...so we have to take the initiative now.slowly and steadily our babus r getting aware of the situation and doing a bit to change it

 

[Aamir Hussain]

but u can also see that the modernisation drive has started recently..indian army didnt purchased any artillery guns since the bofors scam in 1988 also india only purchased the t-90 when pakistan purchased t-80..apart from sukhoi's all our aircraft needs immediate upradation,so we r doing it and also looking at the threat perception we have the mighty china on our NE who has bigger air force,army and navy then us,so we r buildig ourselves up to the minimum credible defence level..if we sit down idle and hope dat US or russia will come to our aid it will be nothing less than suicidal...so we have to take the initiative now.slowly and steadily our babus r getting aware of the situation and doing a bit to change it

We bought the T-80UD's since you had T-72 against our T-59's! See how silly it sounds?

Do you really think that China would want to take over 400 million people who live below the poverty line? They have their own problems to solve.

Do you think that any Indian or Chinese leader how imbecile they might become (for arguments sake) would want to go to war when both countries have nuclear weapons?

Who are you kidding!!! The sheer number of your armed forces, with all their obsolete hardware, is enough for five of your neighbors.

India today is going into an overkill mode in its weapons acquisition -- arming itself to teeth to eventually fight someone else's war! Spending India's hard earned money to buy western hardware to fight future natural allies is crass stupidity. But when one is on a crest of a rising wave -- stupidity just happens!

 

[nakodo]

arming itself to teeth to eventually fight someone else's war

Is the current war in the west that Pakistan is engaged in considered to be Pakistan's war? '65,'71.'99 were all Pakistan's wars in the sense that Pakistan initiated them.

 

[letsbefriends]

We bought the T-80UD's since you had T-72 against our T-59's! See how silly it sounds?

Do you really think that China would want to take over 400 million people who live below the poverty line? They have their own problems to solve.

Do you think that any Indian or Chinese leader how imbecile they might become (for arguments sake) would want to go to war when both countries have nuclear weapons?

Who are you kidding!!! The sheer number of your armed forces, with all their obsolete hardware, is enough for five of your neighbors.

India today is going into an overkill mode in its weapons acquisition -- arming itself to teeth to eventually fight someone else's war! Spending India's hard earned money to buy western hardware to fight future natural allies is crass stupidity. But when one is on a crest of a rising wave -- stupidity just happens!

r u kiddin me..we had nuclear weapons when kargil happened..so jst havin nuclear weapons u cannot say u wont have to fight a war,ya the obsolete hardware needs to be modernised,do u have a problem with dat???fighting someone's else war is not into consideration,we r not a proxy state,may be u look at ur words carefully.its pakistan who is fighting someone else's war

 

[niaz]

Why do all discussions end up being India versus Pakistan? India is no doubt our main threat but our most recent war; war on terror, is not against India. To have a meaning discussion on the requirements of Pakistan Navy; let us start with the question "What is PN required to do?"

Answer to this is pretty straight forward: Main task of Pakistan Navy is to keep sea lanes open during hostilities so that essential supplies to the country can get thru

Second question:

What is the threat perception? India is the obvious answer. But what about USA, Iran or suicide bombers getting thru and escaping via sea route after performing their dastardly deeds? Possible money and material aid to Baluch insurgents and to TTP via sea route cannot be ruled out either.

Third question:

What is our wish list to counter any possible threat from the sea borne hostile forces?

Final question:

What can we really afford given our meager financial resources?

Once we thrash these points out, we would be able to reach meaningful conclusions regarding the future build up of Pakistan Navy including Naval Aviation.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

More frigates, more subs, more FACs and missile boats. For the Air wing...a squadron of J 11 and an dedicated AWACS and some grabbing of mirages from the AF equipped with AShM. C'mon your navy is poverty stricken..infuse some funds and it will be an awesome navy.

Paul Van Riper is awesome...