Rebuilding Pakistan Navy Aviation.

[nomi007]

i think we need 20 attack helicopters,like Apache or z-10.also built more destroyers.induct A-10 thunderbolt,j-10c or f-35c.
but specially need more submarines like u-214 or Chinese class,but all these try to get with TOT.

 

[monitor]

i think we need 20 attack helicopters,like Apache or z-10.also built more destroyers.induct A-10 thunderbolt,j-10c or f-35c.
but specially need more submarines like u-214 or Chinese class,but all these try to get with TOT.

apche is not for naval attack sister but z-10 may be i am not quite sure.
building destroyer ? how
f-35c a rare possibility to get soon or even in 10 year.
and yes you should get some sub like u-214 and chinese class which is enexpensive comparing western one .

 

[Rank]

Improve JH7 with Westren Avo.... its good i think!

 

[Penguin]

jf 17 cannot carry heavy bombs to destroy ships it only harm a ship to 25 percent jh7 can carry powerfull paylods to destroy heavy destroyryers.

Let's see:

JF-17 can be armed with up to 3,629 kg (8,000 lb) of air-to-air and air-to-ground ordnance, as well as other equipment, mounted externally on the aircraft's seven hardpoints. One hardpoint is located under the fuselage between the main landing gear, two are underneath each wing and one at each wing-tip. All 7 hardpoints communicate via a MIL-STD-1760 data-bus architecture with the Stores Management System, which is stated to be capable of integration with weaponry of any origin. Internal armament comprises one 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon mounted under the port side air intake, which can be replaced with a 30 mm GSh-30-2 twin-barrel cannon.

A model of the JF-17, armed with six Chinese air-to-air missiles, on display at a defence exhibition. The larger missiles mounted inboard are medium range SD-10s, the four smaller ones being short range PL-5Es.The wing-tip hardpoints will normally be occupied by short range infra-red homing air-to-air missiles, while many combinations of various ordnance and equipment (including avionics such as targeting pods) can be carried on the under-wing and under-fuselage hardpoints. Under-wing hardpoints can be fitted with multiple ejector racks, allowing each hardpoint to carry two 500 lb (241 kg) unguided or laser-guided bombs (Mk.82 or GBU-12). It is currently unknown if multiple ejector racks can be used for other ordnance such as beyond visual range air-to-air missiles. The under-fuselage and inboard under-wing hardpoints are plumbed, enabling them to carry droptanks of various sizes for extra fuel (see propulsion and fuel system).

Active radar homing beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles can be deployed once integrated with the on-board radar and data-link for mid-course updates. The Chinese PL-12/SD-10 is expected to be the aircraft's primary BVR air-to-air weapon, although this may change if radars of other origin are fitted. Short range infra-red homing missiles currently integrated include the Chinese PL-5E and PL-9C, as well as the AIM-9L. The PAF is also seeking to arm the JF-17 with a modern fifth generation close-combat missile such as the IRIS-T or A-darter. These will be integrated with the helmet mounted sights/display (HMS/D) as well as the radar for targeting.

Unguided air-to-ground weaponry includes rocket pods, gravity bombs of various sizes and anti-runway munitions such as the Matra Durandal. Precision-guided munitions (PGM) such as laser-guided bombs and satellite-guided bombs, as well as other guided weapons such as anti-ship missiles and anti-radiation missiles can also be deployed.

JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So 4 underwing hardpoints and each hardpoint can carry two 500 lb (241 kg) unguided or laser-guided bombs (Mk.82 or GBU-12) or an equivalent single load of some 482kg+.
According http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm max weapon load is even 3,900kg

Consider also the following weights:
C-802 715 kg
Exocet 670 kg
AGM-84 Harpoon 519 kg
Mk.33 / GBU-16 Paveway II / GBU-32 JDAM 460 kg
AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground tactical missile 211–300 kg
Mk. 82 / GBU-12 Paveway II / GBU-38 JDAM 230 kg

The GBU-12 PAVEWAY II laser-guided bomb is an American aerial bomb, based on the Mk 82 500-pound (227 kg) general-purpose bomb, but with the addition of a nose-mounted laser seeker and fins for guidance. The GBU-16 Paveway II has the same guidance unit is fitted to a Mk 83 1014lb (460 kg) bomb. Actual bomb weight varies between 985 lb (447 kg) and 1,030 lb (468 kg), depending on fuze options, high-drag retardation devices, and fin configuration. The same bomb is at the core of the GPS-guided GBU-32 JDAM, for which Pakistan is an export customer (F16)

Maverick is effective against a wide range of tactical targets, including armor, air defenses, ships, ground transportation, and fuel storage facilities. AGM-65F (infrared targeting) used by the U.S. Navy has an infrared guidance system optimized for ship tracking and a larger penetrating warhead than the shaped charge warhead used by the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Air Force (300 pounds / 140 kilograms vs. 125 pounds / 57 kilograms). Pakistan is a Maverick operator (F16)

By comparison:

Mirage III: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of payload on five external hardpoints, including a variety of bombs, reconnaissance pods or Drop tanks; (Mirages managed to kill HMS Sheffield, HMS Coventry, Atlantic Conveyor and to damage USS Stark, all with the Exocet missile).

F-16C Block 30: 2× wing-tip Air-to-air missile launch rails, 6× under-wing & 3× under-fuselage pylon stations holding up to 17,000 lb (7,700 kg) of payload

JH-7 weapon loads increased by the addition of two more wing hardpoints and two hardpoints under the intake trunking for mission pods such as targetting pods in JH-7a.
Hardpoints: 9 in total (6× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 9,000 kg (19,842 lb) external fuel and ordnance.

 

[PakSher]

Pakistan needs a strong Navy with a strong submarine force and 8 fighter squadorns of fighter jets and supported by Z-10s, P3 Orion, E2C and Saab Awacs. Babur cruise missile batteries and 50 fast attack stealth missile crafts. Then we can guard the economic and martimine frontiers of Pakistan.

 

[Penguin]

Babur cruise missile batteries and 50 fast attack stealth missile crafts.

There really isn't a reason for the navy to have these. It would very much suffice to have a few SSKs with AIP that can fire nuclear tipped Babur, a part of a nuclear triad that serves as a national deterrent. The era of swarms of small craft is long over.

 

[pakistantiger]

no ned of 8 fighter squadrons just 4 squadrons for navy are becouse thier will be some squadrons of paf deployed in karachi to defende the city and the aerial frontiers and at least 20 to 30 attack heli copters and awacs i think rafale with j11b or rafale with jf-17 rafale for strike mission and other one is air superiorty mission or interceptor mission

 

[Mercenary]

Pakistan needs to acquire some lethal Anti-Ship Missiles. Such as the Sunburn Missile.

SS-N-22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think we need to create a Naval Aviation Wing of 48 AirCraft. Some of our Mirage Fighters can be converted to this role. If they are equipped with advanced anti-ship missiles they can pretty much hug the coast of Pakistan and be guarded by anti-aircraft missile batteries such as Spada 2000 and then unleash their deadly anti-ship missiles which can devastate the Indian Navy.

 

[Penguin]

Pakistan needs to acquire some lethal Anti-Ship Missiles. Such as the Sunburn Missile.

SS-N-22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think we need to create a Naval Aviation Wing of 48 AirCraft. Some of our Mirage Fighters can be converted to this role. If they are equipped with advanced anti-ship missiles they can pretty much hug the coast of Pakistan and be guarded by anti-aircraft missile batteries such as Spada 2000 and then unleash their deadly anti-ship missiles which can devastate the Indian Navy.

Out to just what ... hit targets 200km, maybe 300km off-shore? A fat load of good that would do! Do you really thing IN is going to sit that close to shore and present itself as a floating bulls-eye? Remember that to block or strike at the Pakistani coast, they don't need to be very close to it at all. Consider:
* The Club-N family of missile adopted by IN on board its ships and subs includes the 3M-54E - anti-shipping variant with supersonic terminal speed and a range of 220 km, the subsoni 3M-54E1 anti-shipping variant with a range is of 300 km and the subsonic3M-14E inertial guidance land attack variantwith a range of 275-300 km. Further, it is believed by at least some analysts that an air launched variant will be developed to arm the long-range Tu-142s and Tu-22M3 bombers currently in service with the IN
* The Sea Harriers that IN currently opperates from its present carrier have a longer range. The SHAR FA2 variant has a combat radius of 540 nmi (620 mi, 1,000 km) and a ferry range of 1,740 nmi (2,000 mi, 3,600 km). The earlier FRS1 and Indian FRS51 are based on the GR.3, which like GR.1 and AV-8A have a combat radius of 418 km (260 mi) on strike mission without drop tanks (hi-lo-hi) and a ferry range of range 1900 km (1200 mi)
* In future, IN will fly Mig-29Ks from their new carriers. The combat radius of MiG-29K is 850 km (528 mi). Also consider that range can be increased to 3,000 kilometer (1,860 mi) with 3 underwing fuel drop tanks, that MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB are equipped with an in-flight refueling system, and that MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB can perform aerial refueling if they are furnished with UPAZ refueling unit. The MiG-29K, unlike the previous MiG-29, is designed so it can be equipped with an aerial refueling system (ARS) or "buddy store" for the refueling of other aircraft.
* The Brahmos missile, of which both anti-ship and land-attack versions are available, has a range of almost 300km, and can be submarine, ship/surface or air-launched. Aircraft such as the Mig-29K will be able to launch it.
* The Kh-35U variant of the Harpoon-like 130km 70nm Kh-35E Uran antiship missile (a.k.a. SS-N-25 'Switchblade') that IN operates from its ship can also be air-launched by e.g. Mig-29. A 250km land attack version is under development.

And, by the way, are the subsonic missiles Pakistan recently ordered for coastal defence suddenly useless?
C-602: Weight 1.24 ton, Length 6.1 meter, Diameter 0.54 meter,
Warhead 300 kg. Missile has a max range in excess of 400 kilometres (250 mi), though for the export version, this is reduced to 280 kilometres (170 mi) to meet the international arms trade regulation (which limit the max range to below 300 kilometres or 190 mi).

 

[Sanchez]

The latest JH-7A is believed to be better in A2G and A2S missions than Su-30MKK. It will be a boost for PAF and PAN if inducted.

China has also bought Sunburn and Yakhont missiles. The indigenous YJ-1X is supersonic and uses the same blister as YJ-62, but it has never been revealed to the public.

 

[Super Falcon]

i think recently navy announced they will buy 7 subs

 

[Rank]

like this

 

[Sanchez]

http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Type_jpg/27_5847_3902c06ec2a4e22.jpg

JH/7a may carry most of Chinese and Russian A2A, A2G and A2S weapons.

 

[Penguin]

The latest JH-7A is believed to be better in A2G and A2S missions than Su-30MKK. It will be a boost for PAF and PAN if inducted.

China has also bought Sunburn and Yakhont missiles. The indigenous YJ-1X is supersonic and uses the same blister as YJ-62, but it has never been revealed to the public.

See: International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > The Flanker Fleet -The PLA's 'Big Stick'

KnAAPO Su-30MKK/MK2 Flanker G

China's acquisition of the Flanker B/C triggered a series of 'tit for tat' buys of Flanker variants across Asia. The most important of these was a complex import and coproduction deal with India, for the IAPO/Irkut Su-30MKI Flanker H, a derivative of the IAPO SU-30 Flanker F, but incorporating the N-011M phased array radar, thrust vectoring AL-31FP engines, digital flight controls, aerial refuelling probe, canard foreplanes, glass cockpit, and numerous other developmental features used in the Russian Air Force Su-27M/Su-35 Flanker E and Russian Navy Su-27K/Su-33 Flanker D.

In response to the Indian buy, the PLA-AF ordered the unique Su-30MKK Flanker G variant, acquiring 38 aircraft in 2001 and another 38 in 2003. Chinese sources claim three operational regiments are now equipped, assigned to the PLA-AF 3rd Division at Wuhu, Anhui, the 18th Division at Datuopu, Changsha, Hunan and the 29th Division at Quzhou, Zhejiang.

The Flanker G is an analogue to the F-15E Strike Eagle, and is a derivative of the Su-30PU series of dual seat interceptors, adapted to the strike role. The aircraft is structurally strengthened, has heavier undercarriage, an aerial refuelling probe, a color glass cockpit, and a radar and weapon system intended to deliver guided munitions, while retaining the full air to air capabilities of the Flanker B/C. Chinese sources claim some of these aircraft are plumbed for external fuel tanks and rated for a maximum takeoff weight of 85,000 lb.

Other than structural changes, the principal distinction in the Su-30MKK is the weapon system. The newer N-001V series radar has extensive air to ground modes, and the digital fire control system has interfaces to support a range of guided weapons. These include the Kh-59M/AS-18 Kazoo series, analogous to the US AGM-142 Have Nap, the Kh-31P/AS-17 Krypton ramjet anti-radiation missile, the KAB-500L and KAB-1500L laser guided bombs, analogous to the US Paveway series, the KAB-500Kr and KAB-1500Kr TV guided bombs, analogous to the US GBU-8 HOBOS, and the KAB-1500TK, analogous to the US GBU-15 electro-optical weapon. The Russians are currently testing the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E with satellite aided inertial guidance, analogous to the US JDAM series. The PLA-AF fleet is expected to be equipped with the Russian Sapsan-E FLIR/laser targeting pod, analogous to the AAQ-13 LANTIRN targeting pod used initially on the F-15E.

The PLA-N Air Arm was evidently not satisfied with the domestically built JH-7 Flying Leopard strike fighter, and opted to expand its fleet by acquiring the Su-30MK2, a derivative of the Su-30MKK, with a rated maximum takeoff weight of 85,000 lb. The Su-30MK2 has an enhanced weapon system optimized for maritime strike, built around the N-001VEP radar. The radar will target the supersonic Kh-31A variant, equipped with an active radar seeker for anti-shipping strike. A radar guided derivative of the Kh-59M, the Kh-59Mk, was also developed for the PLA-N Flanker G. Chinese sources claim that 36 Su-30MK2 aircraft were ordered, with deployment as yet undisclosed.

The Russians were reported to be developing a third PLA variant of the Su-30, the Su-30MK3. This subtype was to incorporate the 'Panda' upgrade package for the N-001 radar, including a signal processor upgrade based on COTS software and a Ts-100 processor, and the new Pero phased array. The Pero, developed by NIIP and Ryazan GRPZ, is a reflective passive phased array antenna, replacing the legacy cassegrain design. It is lighter than the legacy design, but offers similar beamsteering agility to the latest Western AESAs. There have been no disclosed orders to date, and some reports suggest this program is no longer funded.

 

[Sanchez]

See: International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > The Flanker Fleet -The PLA's 'Big Stick'

Lol, you use worthless article as your answer? What I said were comments from Chinese pilots who flew both Su-30MKK and JH-7A. JH-7A is the first platform to have full digital systems on flight as well as fire control in PLAAF. JH-7a can fly autopilot mode under 100 meters in land and on sea. Which Su-30 can do it? JH-7A is inferior in aerodynamics, payload and dog fight to Su-30MKK.

Original plan was to have 48 Su-30MKK2 and then large numbers of Su-30MKK3. But now you see that we only bought 24 MKK2. There're no more Chinese interests in complete Russian systems (only in sub systems).