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REARMING of JAPAN

Dude, trade is both side, anyone who study basic economic principle knows, A buyer needed a seller, and a seller needed a buyer. There are no party more important on this equation

Japan have a big share on your own market, a big giant pie. They have factory and they make everything in China. They also have a strong buyer culture in China.

If China wage a economic war to Japan, yes, you will paralyse the japanese market but you will also make a big dent on yours. The only problem is, Japan are on decline no matter what (You haven't start the war yet and still they are already in decline" and yours is a growing economic. You bound to suffer more than Japan as they literally got nothing to lose.

In China term, where are all those worker who work for Japanese company goes? Where are all the money from trading Japanese commondity goes? Well are all the capitals required to develope China come from? You need to know, when you turn off the tape, to Japan, Japan will turn off the tape to China, Economic war does not work on a one way street, it's a double edged sword.

This is why China have no real action against the Japanese, you can roll drum and say whatever the hack you want, but Chinese Government sees this, he degree of Japan dependence on Chinese market is more or less the same with China depeneding on Japanese's. Otherwise your country would have start the "Economic War" already. Economic war can only be fought with one side needed the most of the other, If you lose Japan as a big client, who you are going to replace with?? Iran? North Korea? or Pakistan??

One cannot expect to have everything and we are already waging economic wars with Japan - though it is not full scale.

Japan in the long run will have a lot more to lose. China, with a population of 1.3 billion and an ever growing middle class, makes Japanese companies knees wobble at the thought of losing their share of the market.

There is no one nation in the world with a middle class 'purchasing population' of China's scale. Japanese companies will stick around hoping for the best but expecting for the worse like they always do. They know countries elsewhere are in decline resulting in an imbalance of class ratios. Pockets tighten and people think twice and thrice before each purchase. They either go for the very best or the cheapest of cheap. This leads to overall poor sale for their products.

Our infrastructures and shipping ports that supports the manufacturing and distribution of their goods are not easily replaceble. This they also know.

Leave sale of goods aside. A cut back of Chinese tourists is disasterous for the Japanese economy alone.

Say what you want about American war involvement, we don't suffer anything as none of the war we fought is close to home, the only thing we suffer is human life, which almost in all cases the Russian and the Chinese suffer more than us in everywar we fought. Our country and infrastructure is almost completely untouch and every war we fought bring us cloesr to our goal. It's US in the Chinese backyard, not the otherway around, it's good to remember that.

Don't need to say much about American war involvements. They have the tools but not the money to fight against countries such as China and Russia. Needless to say, both are capable of unleashing retaliatory strikes against America - both off shore and inland. Hence wars between these nations are limited and restrictive - 'proxy wars'.
 
There is no one nation in the world with a middle class 'purchasing population' of China's scale.

Middle class for you is 500-800 dollars. Middle class for me is upward from 2500 euros.
See how nicely numbers can be made to say anything? In this particular case the statement "largest middle class".
 
That says some about the mentality of the Chinese. They are keen to look down and suppress the weak, but bow to the mighty. The Vietnam coast guard can learn a lot from Korean colleagues.
SK captures 700 Chinese fishermen every year, but China captures half of Korean's land and let thousand North Korean starve forever.

Do u want to capture 700 Chinese fishermen every year, but China will control half of VN let let half of VNese starve to death forever like how she controlling NK now ??
 
Do the Indonesian government and people think so? I though Indonesia remains neutral in most political matters.

Oh we do, because only a fool pick a side or start making a side. Think of this as my personal opinion, I support the rearming of Japan. While my country won't give a $hit about Japan.

Do u want to capture 700 Chinese fishermen every year, but China will control half of VN let let half of VNese starve to death forever like how she controlling NK now ?

Last time I check Fish isn't exactly a staple of Vietnamese diet (I should know, cause I work in a hospitality business for 6 month). Most likely China will partition much of the Spratly Islands with Vnam & Phil.
 
Japan flexes muscles
G V C Naidu

From a Chinese perspective, the disputes and fears of a rising China would enable Tokyo to shed its pacifist mask and rearm itself.

East Asia—otherwise known for its extraordinary economic dynamism, increasingly the world’s new center of gravity and the rise of new powers—has also begun to grab headlines due to intensifying feuds over unresolved maritime boundaries and disputed islands.

The attention is greater if China is involved. China is in the spotlight not merely because of its continued stellar economic performance and a formidable military that it is building, but equally because of its mounting assertiveness on what it claims are its territories but disputed by others. Expectedly that is sending ripple of anxiety across the region.

One of those issues is with respect to the Senkaku islets (China calls them Diaoyu) in the East China Sea south of Japanese Okinawa (where the United States has a large military base). These uninhabited islands are currently administered by Japan where some of them are privately owned and the others are with the government.

Whereas both China and Japan have resorted to history to bolster their claims, there is no dispute on the fact that Japan controlled the Senkaku archipelago since 1895 till its rout in the Second World War and subsequent occupation by the US. Under the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, the US ended its occupation but continued to administer the Ryukyu Islands under which came the Senkakus. Only at the time of their reversion by the US in 1971 to Japanese control did China raise its claims.

Yet, the dispute had remained largely dormant till recently notwithstanding sporadic incidents of China upping the tempo and some nationalist elements trying to land on the islands mostly unsuccessfully. The potentially large reserves of oil and gas in the vicinity of the Senkakus and their geostrategic location escalated the contest. A series of other incidents contributed to further hardening of positions with strong political overtones.

Contrary to the belief, in the case Northeast Asia strong economic bonds and rapidly rising interdependence have failed to shrug off the historical baggage partly because of its political utility: quite often both China and the two Koreas have used Japanese past military aggression for domestic political purposes. On the other, Japan has been ill at ease with the rise of a behemoth next door even while failing to arrest its own decline. It is making its discomfort obvious about the China’s rapid military buildup and a lack of transparency. It is further compounded by Chinese provocative activities in Japanese neighbourhood including repeated incursions by its nuclear submarines.

Three developments, among others, probably contributed to the present stepped up tensions. One, the US has been expressing strong views on China’s attitude in the South China Sea, promptly echoed by Japan, which have set the alarm bells ringing in Beijing about possible American attempts to contain China with Japan and others playing their part under US leadership. From a Chinese perspective, the disputes in the region in general and fears of a rising China would enable Tokyo to shed its pacifist mask and rearm itself.

Economic leverages

Two, a Chinese fishing trawler that entered the waters near Senkakus illegally in September 2010 and rammed two Japanese coastguard ships when they tried to shoo it away. The captain of the trawler was arrested and charged but let off after China’s strong protests. Besides unofficially cancelling certain scheduled high-level bilateral meetings with Japan, China also stopped exporting rare earth metals in retaliation (although it was illegal under the WTO rules). That was the first time Beijing was using its economic leverages to press Japan. The incident drew strong anti-Japanese protests virtually across major cities of China. Three, China probably must have been emboldened by visits in quick succession by prime minister Dmitry Medvedev to the Kurile Islands in July followed by a totally unexpected South Korean president Lee Myung-bak to the Takeshima Islands (Koreans call them as Dokdo) in early August. Japan has strong claims on both of them and expectedly led to a major outcry and condemnation.

Meanwhile, the rightwing Tokyo governor, Shintaro Ishihara, a known China-baiter, announced plans to purchase three of the five Senkaku islands from their private owners by collecting donations. That compelled the Japanese government to acquire them itself.
Amidst these developments, a fresh round of tensions was set off with the successful landing of some 14 Chinese nationalists on August 15 on one of the Senkaku Islands. Their subsequent arrest and deportation has elicited strong reactions from Beijing. A few days later, a large group of rightist Japanese also landed and planted Japanese flags triggering a fresh wave of anti-Japanese protests in China.

Surely, these incidents may not result in an imminent political or military showdown but will have considerable impact on both countries and since they are the two largest economies the rest of the region cannot escape from bearing the brunt. In a way Japan, despite its economic woes, will be forced to take certain key steps to review its security policies. It may even amend the contentious Article 9 of the constitution that prohibits Japan from acquiring offensive military capability. Unlike the past neutral stance, the US is now categorical that the Senkakus are covered by the US-Japan Security Treaty.

On the other hand, it is China that would be in a cleft stick at a time when top level leadership changes this fall. Beijing neither can allow tensions to heighten since they may prove to be counter-productive, nor can it risk losing its credibility by letting the current standoff to fizzle out. In any case, the cumulative effect of hardening of positions concerning maritime disputes will have considerable impact on the politico-security shape of East Asia in the coming years in which one may see a new Japan emerging.

(The writer teaches at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi)

I think the day Japan is rearming itself is getting closer.

But China captures millions of North Korean and let them starve to death day by day.10K fishermen is just a drop in the ocean compared with millions of starving Korean in the North

Blame Kim Jong Un administration for starving NK people not China
 
Middle class for you is 500-800 dollars. Middle class for me is upward from 2500 euros.
See how nicely numbers can be made to say anything? In this particular case the statement "largest middle class".

Indeed anyone can play the number game. Fact is majority of first world nations are in decline, have high taxes and inflations. People have to make do with what they have. Little are willing to spend. On the other side of the horizon, in China. We pay with 'cash', not 'plastics'. Being a developing nation, more and more are moving out of the lower class and is striving to live a better life and are purchasing more. Multiply our middle class with 500-800 and up, will still trample any one western nation in terms of purchasing power. Hence we are now the second largest economy with the highest stockpiled foreign trade reserve.
 
Does Korea demand money as like the Chinese from Vietnam 70,000 yuan (US$11,000) for every vessel?
I think the Chinese make a pirate business here.
Korea slaps $200K fine on every Chinese fishing boat seized. If the boat owner can't pay, then the boat is seized and the captain is forced to pay the difference by working at a labor camp.

This is why the Chinese resistance is so violent, because the boat owner is essentially bankrupt when detained by the Korean authorities. Korean authorities in turn are hungry for Chinese fishing boats, as each detained one is worth $200K.
 
Kim's family can't exist without China's support.

Kim's family exist because they have Nukes. China only keep them around to keep Korea divided & weak. This policy toward keeping Korea weak has already existed since the times of the Tang Dynasty.
 
One cannot expect to have everything and we are already waging economic wars with Japan - though it is not full scale.

Japan in the long run will have a lot more to lose. China, with a population of 1.3 billion and an ever growing middle class, makes Japanese companies knees wobble at the thought of losing their share of the market.

There is no one nation in the world with a middle class 'purchasing population' of China's scale. Japanese companies will stick around hoping for the best but expecting for the worse like they always do. They know countries elsewhere are in decline resulting in an imbalance of class ratios. Pockets tighten and people think twice and thrice before each purchase. They either go for the very best or the cheapest of cheap. This leads to overall poor sale for their products.

Our infrastructures and shipping ports that supports the manufacturing and distribution of their goods are not easily replaceble. This they also know.

Leave sale of goods aside. A cut back of Chinese tourists is disasterous for the Japanese economy alone.

Don't need to say much about American war involvements. They have the tools but not the money to fight against countries such as China and Russia. Needless to say, both are capable of unleashing retaliatory strikes against America - both off shore and inland. Hence wars between these nations are limited and restrictive - 'proxy wars'.

You are wrong. Japan have its decline since 1990 and extended to 2000s. The problem is not China, the problem is and always is their aging population.

China very much still depend on Japan as a part of Micro-Electonic product. Infact, most Chinese Brand computer equipment and electronic equipment have certain amount of Japan Electronic in it (Like IC, transistor, Resistor, Capacitor and Stuff like that).Basically, if Japan say tomorrow there will not be any shipment of Micro-electronic to China, China will be in deep trouble. Think of anything Chinese made do not have a single IC, Transistor, Resister and Capacitor??

About Tourism, maybe you guys think Chinese have a big role in japanese tourism industry, the fact is no. in the year of 2010, Chinese Tourist made up of just 16.4% of Total Tourist in Japan, Where the spending power index of Chinese Tourist is about 6000 USD per average (Figure from US Department of Commerce) It's not that much of a lost to the Japanese, South Korea alone have twice as much tourist to Japan in 2010.

http://www.jnto.go.jp/jpn/downloads/2010_total.pdf

Again, as i said, if China were to fight a economic war now, China will come out losing more than Japan, Japan, is already in recession, so they have been dealing with the negative growth for years, literally for 20 years. China, on the other hand, are growing and did not lose the momentum for 10 years, if they were to impact like this, it will damage more to the Chinese as than the Japanese. And in the end, Japan can go back to depending on uncle sam, while CHina need to get back on its own.

Still, it's not possible to even for Chinese to get close to American circle. But we have several divison lying on Chinese backyard. If war break out between China and US, it will be US bombing Infrastructure in China, not the other way around. In the end, we will still lose, but we would have done damages to your infrastructure and make sure your country will go back down economically before we leave. And America will be the same, maybe we will lose some aircraft, but none of our infrastructure would be damage and we can always replace aircraft and ship immediately.

Middle class for you is 500-800 dollars. Middle class for me is upward from 2500 euros.
See how nicely numbers can be made to say anything? In this particular case the statement "largest middle class".

lol that's because if they were to catch up on the real term, they have to have 4 times as much GDP than ours as they have 4 times earning power (4 times the population). Their Middle class will earn about 4 times less than us. Or they are going to lose about 900 million people than if they keep the same GDP, they are inline with the US.

They always claim they are 2nd (Instead it should be 3rd as EU > US > China) in GDP as a whole, which is true, but if you see their GDP per capita, They were about 93 or 94 oin the world, which they never show you this facts.

Again, if they can keep the GDP and lose the extra 900 million people, Then they are the same line with EU and US.
 
Indeed anyone can play the number game. Fact is majority of first world nations are in decline, have high taxes and inflations. People have to make do with what they have. Little are willing to spend. On the other side of the horizon, in China. We pay with 'cash', not 'plastics'. Being a developing nation, more and more are moving out of the lower class and is striving to live a better life and are purchasing more. Multiply our middle class with 500-800 and up, will still trample any one western nation in terms of purchasing power. Hence we are now the second largest economy with the highest stockpiled foreign trade reserve.

dude, 500-800 dollars middle class cannot afford any major purchases without bank credit. That's a simple, real life fact. Good luck supporting growth with that kind of engine.
 
@Audio seems like you are having a good time. Found a target. :D
 
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Korea slaps $200K fine on every Chinese fishing boat seized. If the boat owner can't pay, then the boat is seized and the captain is forced to pay the difference by working at a labor camp.

This is why the Chinese resistance is so violent, because the boat owner is essentially bankrupt when detained by the Korean authorities. Korean authorities in turn are hungry for Chinese fishing boats, as each detained one is worth $200K.

China is richer than Vietnam, so they must pay more?
You are top!

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