Reality about Taliban origin by Brig. Asad Munir(former ISI member)

[seekers]

This was realised when, in November 1994, madrassa students, the Taliban as they came to be known, captured Kandahar and, within two years, took control of about 90 per cent of Afghanistan. Also, the distinction between the Pakistani Pashtun Taliban and the Afghan Taliban is not clear or well-defined. This is because, over the centuries, the Pashtun on either side of the Durand Line have never accepted the border. The British were, in fact, aware of this and granted what were called ‘easement rights’ to the tribals for cross-border movement.
Similarly, events in Afghanistan affect Fata and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KP). To correct the popular perception that the Taliban came to the fore in Pakistan after 9/11, in 1998 a Taliban force had appeared in the Mirali area of North Waziristan. By 1999, they were in control of Mirali and part of Orakzai Agency. Waves of Talibanisation spread to different parts of Fata and KP and, by mid-2000, the torching of video cassettes and TVs, considered as signs of obscenity, were a common sight in parts of KP. After 9/11, the Taliban kept a low profile but resurfaced around 2003.

The real agenda of the Pakistani Taliban – The Express Tribune

But Media and some ignorant people still insisting that they were part of mujahdein in jihad against Russia. Reality is that they were studying in saudi paid madresass in Pakistan during Russian presence in Afghanistan.

 

[Ababeel]

Many of them were part of Mujahideen fighting Soviet occupation. Although large part of the current Taliban is formed by Afghan students studying in Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam madrassas and not any independent Saudi madrassas. Although after their formatiom Saudi, UAE & Pakistan accepted them as ruler of Afghanistan after their capture of most of Afghan territory.

To tackel the problem of Taliban is that a good practicing Muslim govt should come in power, implement Sharia in all aspects of life and thus take out the route cause of TTP movement and the real mask of their movement i.e. are they really want Sharia and ISlamic law in this nation or are they working on somebody else direction to destroy Pakistan and image of Islam itself. So water will seperate from milk easily and the nation will be united to fight whole heartedly to them if they continue their fight against this Islamic state.

 

[seekers]

Many of them were part of Mujahideen fighting Soviet occupation. Although large part of the current Taliban is formed by Afghan students studying in Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam madrassas and not any independent Saudi madrassas. Although after their formatiom Saudi, UAE & Pakistan accepted them as ruler of Afghanistan after their capture of most of Afghan territory.

To tackel the problem of Taliban is that a good practicing Muslim govt should come in power, implement Sharia in all aspects of life and thus take out the route cause of TTP movement and the real mask of their movement i.e. are they really want Sharia and ISlamic law in this nation or are they working on somebody else direction to destroy Pakistan and image of Islam itself. So water will seperate from milk easily and the nation will be united to fight whole heartedly to them if they continue their fight against this Islamic state.

We already have waste lot of lives,time,money and heritage in separating their milk and water. In fact both milk and water are impure and have one agenda to capture on country and implement evil sharia of their sect.
Mind if you let me know any one commander of taliban who had fight in Jihad with Russia?? don't name mullah omer, he was studying in darulaloom haqaniaya of molvi sami during that time

 

[Mujeeb47]

In the past , Talibans were supported by Pakistan , Saudi Arabia and United States of America.

 

[53fd]

Theres no substantiated proof of the involvement of the Pakistani Army & the ISI in creating or supporting the Taliban in anyway. Pakistan's official position on the Afghan Taliban is apathy & indifference. They do have support for them from Pakistan's FATA areas though, where Pashtunwali runs, not Pakistani law. All high ranking Pakistani, international officials have never implied Pakistan aids terrorists, it always says Pakistan needs to do more. Just because the Pakistan Army has not 'done enough' (although its done more than the US & NATO forces in Afghanistan) against Taliban does NOT mean it aids the Taliban. FATA is not well integrated in mainstream Pakistan, & if the Army pushes itself too hard, it can cause ethnic separatist movements inside Pakistan. So the Pakistan Army has legitimate reasons to act cautiously against the Taliban, doesn't mean it supports it. There has been nothing official (no solid, definitive proof) of Pakistani state's involvement with the Taliban, besides the conjecture, speculation of conspiracy theorists in the West, the same people that claimed Iraq had WMDs.

 

[seekers]

Mujeeb47@ Pakistan and US. are paying for their past deed and saudia is still supporting taliban

 

[Mujeeb47]

US supported Afghan Mujahids during soviet afghan war through large sum of money and weaponry for its interest. After war , US did not support Afghanistan any more. After 9/11 , US was itself in war.
Pakistan also supported mujahids for its interests. Pakistan was also involved in inner politics of Afghanistan after war. Taliban were supported by Gen. (R) Nasirullah Babar (ex-interior minister). Musharaf was also alleged for playing double game. After Kiyani , situation has changed.
During Soviet afghan war , large number of mujahids (including bin laden) came from Saudi Arabia , Arab states and Soviet states. They are still present in the region.

 

[apophenia]

An officer wrote an article on TTP without hinting RAW| MOSSAD nexus …bloody brilliant.

 

[muse]

Some more on the Pakistani Taliban
By Ejaz Haider
Published: March 13, 2011


The writer was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy Studies Programme

Interesting article by Brig Asad Munir (retd) titled “The real agenda of the Pakistani Taliban” (March 9), except that it ignores some important aspects: The subtle and not so subtle changes that have taken place in the tribal society and also the TTP phenomenon. Let’s consider them in this order.

Two of the three categories the brigadier has described, Pashtuns and Mian Mulla, were never very distinct — as, for instance, in a different way in Punjab — and began to merge into each other fairly early into the Soviet-Afghan war. Not without reason either. Leadership in Pashtun society is unlike the Baloch tribal structure where the sardar sits at the apex and where even inter-tribe relationships are hierarchically determined. The Pashtun leadership is a matter of who can negotiate effectively with the outside world for the solidarity group — tribe, sub-tribe, sub-sub-tribe and clans.

It is for this reason that with the war the traditional structures began to break down, giving way to new power centres. This did not happen so much on our side but it impacted the Afghan traditional elite directly. A similar phenomenon began in Fata in the early 1990s.

When I went to Hangu in 1998 to report on the sectarian riots which saw Orakzai lashkars descend into the Miranzai Valley, I realised that a major shift was happening. Sunni Orakzai tribesmen were linking up with Sunni Bangash to attack Shia Bangash. Never before was it possible for tribal affiliation (the qaum or solidarity group) to be undermined by some supra-tribal ideology.

Imagine my surprise when in Hangu city, on one of the northern hills, I saw emblazoned in white lime the name of a Punjabi — Azam Tariq, the since slain leader of Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan. Something was afoot and I reported it in The Friday Times along with the interview of Javed Piracha, the then PML-N MNA from Kohat and rabidly anti-Shia. For a Piracha to be able to influence the Pashtun and link up with the Orakzais was another telltale sign.

Fast forward to now. Sabir Mehsud, whose group captured Khalid Khawaja and Colonel Imam, kills Usman Punjabi, the man who was negotiating with the families and also the government. Within days Sabir, a Mehsud, is killed in Razmak by Hakimullah Mehsud’s men to avenge Punjabi’s killing. In the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa I spent my childhood in, that would have been unheard of.

There’s much more to this shift, but given space constraints let’s leave it at this and move on to the TTP. Brig Munir is right; much before 9/11 and the US attack on Afghanistan, the Taliban had begun to ingress into Fata. They not only came to Mirali but also went into Mohmand. A few times there was fire exchange between Frontier Corps troops and the Taliban because the latter considered the Durand Line as disputed as previous Afghan regimes.

But, and this is important, the TTP, for all its rhetoric, is not linked to the known Afghan groups operating in Afghanistan. If anything, in Bajaur we had Afghans fighting Pakistani forces. There is no known TTP operation inside Afghanistan, with the possible exception of the video that emerged of the Jordanian that attacked FOB Chapman in Khost in January 2010. If the TTP had deep linkages with the Afghan Taliban, frenetic efforts by their jirgas to save first Khawaja and later Imam would not have failed.

North Waziristan, Mohmand and now Kurram are areas where multiple groups operate and each offers a deterrent to other groups. Haji Gul Bahadur, who controlled most of the area in North Waziristan, is now under pressure from the TTP, whose elements have relocated to Mirali and Datta Khel and many are Punjabis. It is interesting to note that this is primarily Wazir area!

It is, therefore, important to analyse what the TTP agenda is. While it may want to control Fata, as a military officer Brig Munir knows that it does not have the capacity to capture territory elsewhere; or even retain it in Fata before a superior force. However, it has the capability to bleed the army and become a diabetic case for the state. Also, by forcing the army into a forward deployment mode in Fata, it extracts a price that can be costly both in tangible and intangible terms.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 14th, 2011.

 

[DV RULES]

This was realised when, in November 1994, madrassa students, the Taliban as they came to be known, captured Kandahar and, within two years, took control of about 90 per cent of Afghanistan. Also, the distinction between the Pakistani Pashtun Taliban and the Afghan Taliban is not clear or well-defined. This is because, over the centuries, the Pashtun on either side of the Durand Line have never accepted the border. The British were, in fact, aware of this and granted what were called ‘easement rights’ to the tribals for cross-border movement.
Similarly, events in Afghanistan affect Fata and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KP). To correct the popular perception that the Taliban came to the fore in Pakistan after 9/11, in 1998 a Taliban force had appeared in the Mirali area of North Waziristan. By 1999, they were in control of Mirali and part of Orakzai Agency. Waves of Talibanisation spread to different parts of Fata and KP and, by mid-2000, the torching of video cassettes and TVs, considered as signs of obscenity, were a common sight in parts of KP. After 9/11, the Taliban kept a low profile but resurfaced around 2003.

The real agenda of the Pakistani Taliban – The Express Tribune

But Media and some ignorant people still insisting that they were part of mujahdein in jihad against Russia. Reality is that they were studying in saudi paid madresass in Pakistan during Russian presence in Afghanistan.

Now there is need to cut roots of TTP which are connected with some countries, moreover It should be start from Afghanistan. Pakistan must realize fact that their images in eyes of Afghans are critical and there need to pick up.

Very politely minimize Saudi interference in our religious institutions(Madrissa) while this is also reality that no force can rise without any stable support.

 

[mikkix]

I believed that there are certain tribal groups which USA often called them Talibans are supported by the PA.
Like in N.Waziristan, and i agrees what PA on that, b/c it will be necessary for us to need certain groups as they helped alot before 911 to support our army to protect the western border. these groups are patriotic to Pakistan and we need to differentiate them with terrorists.
Cheers.

 

[53fd]

Some Pashtuns in FATA gave Afghan Taliban refuge in the Tribal Agencies after 2001 as a part of Pashtunwali. After that, many got inspired by them ideologically/religiously, & after drone attack attacks in the FATA regions from 2004/5 onwards, went to Islamabad to get rid of the puppet government, & install Shariat. They trained & indoctrinated children, & people of all ages there to stand up to the govt. Then the Lal Masjid event happened in May 2007, & the TTP was formed in December 2007 with Baitullah Mehsud as commander. It was these Pashtuns in FATA that gave refuge to Afghan Taliban under Pashtunwali after 9/11, that later formed the TTP in December 2007 as a result of the Lal Masjid Operations. And Pashtunwali is the reason why the Afghan Taliban still has safe havens in FATA (as well as ideological affiliations they have being inspired by the Afghan Taliban), Pakistani Law does not apply there. No Pakistani authority had stepped foot inside FATA even once before 2001.

It is extremely foolish to blame the Pakistani authorities of creating or supporting the Afghan Taliban without any solid evidence to back it up. And the reason why the Pakistani authorities never rooted out safe havens of the Taliban before was because at the time, these Afghan Taliban & their Pashtun hosts in FATA were sitting peacefully (in the sense that they were concentrating on Afghanistan, not Pakistan) there, & not causing any harm to the Pakistani nation, so Pakistan saw no reason to go after the Afghan Taliban & stir another hornet's nest in FATA. The Afghan Taliban had their safe havens inside Pakistan's FATA regions, & were launching attacks inside Afghanistan, but not doing anything inside Pakistan. It was only after drone attacks inside the FATA regions that the hornet's nest was stirred, & the TTP was formed as a result of that. And even after the TTP was formed, the Afghan Taliban asked them to concentrate in Afghanistan, not Pakistan. So Pakistan saw no reason to go after the Afghan Taliban & their safe havens, as they weren't harming Pakistan. But that does not mean that Pakistan created the Afghan Taliban, or supported it in any way. That's baloney, & the conjecture & speculation used by Western conspiracy theorists that want to malign Pakistan.

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

watching the following video i was very amazed/astoniashed shocked about the level of sophistication of taliban,, after some 3 minutes they are having some very deadly snipers,, and the video shows their kills recorded on slow motion quite strange.. what guns are these their origin of manafacture and how they got it?

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