Real story of Kargil war

[SP!TF!R3]

Our beef has been mainly with TTP and Pakistan military has made good progress in fight against TTP. Pakistan also has played important role in nabbing of many terrorists hiding in Pakistan.

buddy..its your military who is providing shelter...how many link you want to support this???none will be Indian...tell me,how Osama was hiding in Pakistan,and how the building was just beside army base but your army never got a whiff???but USA did???

 

[LeGenD]

which glimpse buddy???readily agreeing to send Pasha (isi chief) to india???

This incident:

PAF Falcons Forums • View topic - Indian fighter jets violate Pakistan Air Space

And this incident:

The Hindu : News / National : Indian Army copter forced to land in Pakistan, released

buddy..its your military who is providing shelter...how many link you want to support this???none will be Indian...tell me,how Osama was hiding in Pakistan,and how the building was just beside army base but your army never got a whiff???but USA did???

You are speculating on the basis of foolish media propaganda from WEST.

Here are some facts:

Pakistan has been a key ally of the United States in war on terror and its security forces have captured more than 500 al Qaeda and Taliban fugitives since the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Source: http://ipripak.org/factfiles/ff54.shtml

The U.S.-Pakistan relationship changed significantly once Pakistan agreed to support the U.S. campaign to eliminate the Taliban in Afghanistan and to join the United States in the Global War on Terror. Since September 2001, Pakistan has provided extensive assistance in the war on terror by capturing more than 600 al-Qaida members and their allies.

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/forel-usa.htm

 

[Capt.Popeye]

How can I be serious when you actually believe that stuff? PN & PAF were never supposed to be a part of the Kargil conflict because it was always planned to be a limited scale conflict to force India to the table by highlighting the potential threat of a war b/w Nuclear Armed neighbors to the rest of the world.

Else PN/PAF and PA would have given India an even worse run for the money then they gave in 1965.

That statement is simply born out of ignorance. Otherwise I'd just LMAO.
Read the blogs written by a very distinguished retired PAF Air Cdre. Kaiser Tufail under the name of Aeronaut, the asli one. He will be able to enlighten you on the state of the PAF at that time.
About the PN, read back a few pages on this thread; you will understand the real state of men and material in the PN vis-a-vis the IN at that time. That might enlighten you too.

About GHQ's plan for Kargil, I'm sorry to say again that it was simply:
An idiotic misadventure born out of a half-baked plan, drawn up by a cabal, led by a fame hungry "commando"!
Sadly it was'nt even the first misadventure for the PA.

 

[Sharath]

Not just the nukes. All departments of defense are better prepared now then they ever had been in decades.
Yes, economy is an issue. But this is another topic.

Yes..seen in US raid on Bin ladan..how effective Pak air defences are...

 

[acetophenol]

How can I be serious when you actually believe that stuff? PN & PAF were never supposed to be a part of the Kargil conflict because it was always planned to be a limited scale conflict to force India to the table by highlighting the potential threat of a war b/w Nuclear Armed neighbors to the rest of the world.

Else PN/PAF and PA would have given India an even worse run for the money then they gave in 1965.

I never told that PN was involved in the war. IN has prepared itself against 'potential' PN strikes and also blocked sea routes to pakistan.

BTW, pls explain the bold statement.

 

[LeGenD]

Not just USA with the blockade, but you may see that OBL, Dr. Afridi, and now HS are not exactly accolades that work in Pakistan's favor with most countries of the world.

US decision to go unilateral in this case was a bad decision. Blame Obama for his idiotic move.

The military is much more than just Gen Kayani. That has not changed.

Kayani is the chief representative of Pakistan military. His actions will shape the image of military.

All departments continue to have recognized vulnerabilities that can be easily exploited by an adversary.

Level of preparedness is good enough for India.

Another topic perhaps, but an overriding issue that trumps most defense issues nonetheless.

Military has budget.

Yes..seen in US raid on Bin ladan..how effective Pak air defences are...

US intruders were actually detected. The rest was left to politics.

 

[ashokdeiva]

For Gods sake INDIANS please back off from this topic, a person who has not achieved any feets in his real life only will bost about how brave he was, these internet Pakitani Warriors are nothing but people with massive infiriority complex. Debating with them will only reduce our status as far as this topic is considered.

@Brave Pakistani Internet Warriors, you guys have won all the wars that you persued with us in the past, does that statment make you happy, now go to bed or move to some other topic or roll here and INDIANS kindly stop posting in this thread. We know the news of all the wars as it happened and as it was, but the other side of the border we all know how their media is writing their article.

 

[Pukhtoon]

Well as per indians they won and Pakistan lost the war and they are rite coz Kargil is with them. BUT

i) Can any one explain why western (BBC CNN) and Pakistani News Channels were banned that time ?

ii) After the war there was a scam of corruption in buying steel casket from a western country for those army men which i saw on a indian news channel that time.The defence minster of that time i guess was Mr George Fernandos. So that was true or false and what were the number of casulties of indian army.

oh here is the link.

A cover-up game

iii) Did indians know that Nawaz Shreef went to USA at that time and when he came back our army leaves kargil ?

iv) Did indians saw Musharaf pic in a kargil post with that indian army pistol ?

Oh And what about that water treaty how that came to reality what was the reason for SINDTAS agreement

 

[illusion8]

You need to do more digging then.


No, military has maintained its funds for war with India. These funds will remain untouched.

Underestimating Pakistan now will be serious blunder. Indian military has got a minor glimpse during attempted air raid in to Pakistan in 2008. And later with helicopter incident.

U cannot withstand a full fledged conventional all forces attack by India for more than a few days. period.

 

[RazPaK]

For Gods sake INDIANS please back off from this topic, a person who has not achieved any feets in his real life only will bost about how brave he was, these internet Pakitani Warriors are nothing but people with massive infiriority complex. Debating with them will only reduce our status as far as this topic is considered.

Not achieved anything? Stop flaming before I destroy your illusions of SHINY INCREDIBLE India SUPAPOWA TIGER status.

 

[LeGenD]

U cannot withstand a full fledged conventional all forces attack by India for more than a few days. period.

This is an illusion.

Pakistan has considerably changed since Kargil.

This is for India:

Military Exercise 'Azm-e-Nau 3'

And Pakistan missile delivery systems are in excellent shape and state of prepardness.

You will not just face Pakistani military regulars but also a large militia force.

 

[MM_Haider]

Because they managed to save Lahore...little do they know that they started the war and we reached till Lahore...and we lost the war...this is hilarious!

you reached till lahore?? i think this is what you are taught in school.. the truth is that india couldn't manage to cross even BRB canal and Pakistan captured hundreds of square miles ...

Men of Steel (6 Armoured Div) with one of the captured Centurions in the battlefield - 1965 War.

War trophy: Centurion tank of Lt. Col. Tarapore, CO 17 (Poona) Horse, bearing the title 'Fakhar-e-Hind' (Pride of India) captured by 25 Cavalry, on display in the unit.

Pakistani gunners are giving an expert look-over to captured Indian field guns. The Indians left enough pieces in Chamb area alone to equip two Field Regiments. (1965 War)

An operational tank squadron of the Pakistan army equipped with the Indian tanks (French-built AMXs) captured in the Chamb battle, out on manoeuvres. (1965 War)

A captured Indian AMX tank in the hands of Pakistani tanks men. (1965 War)

Infantry soldiers taking positions on the bank of a water obstacle. (1965 War)

 

[SQ8]

Has anything substantive changed in that description since then?

Well.. at first the idea was to leave Pakistan alone..
Now the idea seems to be to sort the mess out once and for all to benefit the powers that be..whether Pakistan survives or millions in it die is irrelevant.

 

[SP!TF!R3]

And Pakistan missile delivery systems are in excellent shape and state of prepardness.

You will not just face Pakistani military regulars but also a large militia force.

so????you are just amature buddy..india did this kind of war exercise in dozens every year...

and by the way...india always faced this kind of threats from Pakistan..we are comfortable in both full fledge war and proxy war..

you reached till lahore?? i think this is what you are taught in school.. the truth is that india couldn't manage to cross even BRB canal and Pakistan captured hundreds of square miles ...

Men of Steel (6 Armoured Div) with one of the captured Centurions in the battlefield - 1965 War.



War trophy: Centurion tank of Lt. Col. Tarapore, CO 17 (Poona) Horse, bearing the title 'Fakhar-e-Hind' (Pride of India) captured by 25 Cavalry, on display in the unit.

Pakistani gunners are giving an expert look-over to captured Indian field guns. The Indians left enough pieces in Chamb area alone to equip two Field Regiments. (1965 War)

i'm going to post only single link...

Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

read and draw the conclusion....

by the way..this thread is on 1999 Kargil war..not 1965 war..

 

[K-Xeroid]

so????you are just amature buddy..india did this kind of war exercise in dozens every year...

and by the way...india always faced this kind of threats from Pakistan..we are comfortable in both full fledge war and proxy war..

If That so then I hope you won't consider Kargil as a war, where our NLI and Mujhideen of Indian side scored really well, Even at then india needs clintin to interfere. But things are change and more importantly under controlled today. Well ! If you read current indian status in the region then almost all major nieghbouring nations consider you as a threat.. Whether it is China, Pakistan, Srilanka or Bangladesh.. So it proves that Its not others who create problems . its you who creates problem.