Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[Imran Khan]

bhikariyoon ki koi life nhi hoti yaar shamefully

 

[Safriz]

The americans are going crazy and giving such threats to Pakistan cuz .. this bastard is so guilty its not even funny... threats given in such a manner to such a degree is to get the job done meaning bring this bastard back home. Let them cut of the aid then they will see who will fight there war next door all to save there own killer shame on the US for doing so this is very low i hope this bastard hangs or goes to jail for life

ministry of foreign affairs should protest and issue statement

 

[deckingraj]

This was said by US Embassy, which means, it is confirmed he said that.
He also says that he feared his life, whereas they didnt even point at him!
You guys are labelling them as terrorists where they didnt even attempt to rob him?

Sorry but you don't wait for someone to first point their pistol at you or rob you before your self-defence mechanism kick in...

Just open Dawn news and see it live. He was having a 9mm, 5 magzines, a pair of binoculars, 5 ATM cards, hightec wireless and pictures of stratigic places in Pakistan.

He was a spy, so stop saving him

My feeling about this incident is that he should be tried as per Pakistan law(which he is being)...The only question is that in case he has diplomatic immunity than you will have to let him go....Since his diplomatic status is under question i am with Pak on the way they are handling this.


@ My personal opinion on this matter...
I believe Pakistan need to work on this issue with lot of care....You don't want a situation where any Tom, Dick or Harry can make fun of Law and System in your country but you also don't want to be in bad books of the sole superpwer of this world....atleast not in a situation where Pakistan is right now....No matter how satisfying it sounds but nukes are not answer to anything(the way few members are talking about it)....

All people who are advicing that let US cut aids, we don't need it - we survived and we can survive etc etc...need an economy 1-0-1 session...

This is a fact that pakistan economy is in bad shape and it's not the debt that i am talking about...Even US has debt...Debt is not an indicator of an economy in bad shape..The indicator is revenue....If you are in a situation where you have to take more debt just to pay installments of previous debt that you are in serious trouble....Now when you are in such a situation you need more loans....why?? - These loans are required to fix the real issue i.e. Revenue.... You want fundings to start projects which will help you in generating revenue and will eventually fix the economy. You also try to cut down the expenditures to save more money which again helps the cause....Now let's look at Pakistan

- Budget deficit is way off the targets. This is a clear indicator that things are not working...In short it will take even more time for economy to bounce back
- Recent moves to reduce deficit were taken back to weak political stability in pakistan(coalition partners threatened to bring govt down)
- All this will make more loans(which Pak needs) even more dear. In short Pak will have to pay more in interest due to high risk adjustments....

Now with all that even you take US out of equation there is going to be a big question mark over Pakistan's ability to return the payments back...which simply means loans with even more insane risk adjustments....also let's not forget that major chunk of WB is owned by US...so they can simply block these much needed loans....


The only thing that can work for Pakistan is the expatriates, Arab World and all-weather friend China...Its a gamble because if it did not work then consequences are grave....So saying that pakistan don't need US aid is more of an ego satisfaction...Having said that saying there is no way pak can survive without US is taking the argument too far....but always remember there is a military angle to bad economy....Last time you were under sanctions Parity b/w IAF and PAF grew big time....Now PAF has bounced back a little...Another sanctions Pak might end up at point of no return which cannot be allowed....So all this needs to be considered with grave seriousness before making up the mind.....and yes as said above Nukes are not answers to everything!!!!

 

[ares]

^^ Pakistan wont suffer..well the public wont..not sure about the politicians as they gobble up all the so called aid with and nothing trickles down to public..In effect the stoppage will be good for Pakistan,the politicians wont be as rich as they are now and wont be able to buy votes

On contrary ..it will be the people will suffer..Pakistani govt has habit of spending more(budget) more than it has.

Now this extra money spent use to be covered by various aid prog, loans etc..But when eternal budgetary aid stops..Pakistani govt will have to retrieve this money from people in form higher taxes and inflated prices.
So Common man will definitely suffer..or otherwise Pakistan will have to take extreme measure and cut out all non productive expenditures like Defence, Health , Education etc..similar to what happed in Post Soviet, Russia.

 

[ajtr]

Law must take its own course and justice must be served.No one is above law be it Pakistani or be it american.US govt must help pakistani govt in solving this case instead of resorting pressure tactics.if Raymond Davis is innocent(as usa govt claims) then he will be free.

 

[JonAsad]

Ok let me ask you a reverse question.

Suppose RD's diplomaic immunity is proved in a Pakistani court.

How will then Pakistan justify arresting a person who enjoys diplomatic immunity and keeping him under arrest for weeks?

Dont you think the justification will be obvious?
He was arrested because his diplomatic immunity was not proved--
He was arrested because he was carrying an illegal firearm with hollow point bullets--
He was arrested because he was using a false identity--

 

[ashok321]

Law must take its own course and justice must be served.No one is above law be it Pakistani or be it american.US govt must help pakistani govt in solving this case instead of resorting pressure tactics.if Raymond Davis is innocent(as usa govt claims) then he will be free.

On one side you have option to hang one non Pakistani - and on the other loose american goodwill and dollars.

What will you prefere without being naive?

 

[Awesome]

Weird theories about how American aid money has been invested is so off the mark.

It goes into the pockets of Zardari and gang.

If the US promise to stop the aid, I wish we arrest a few more Americans, just to make that happen.

 

[architect_cobb]

On contrary ..it will be the people will suffer..Pakistani govt has habit of spending more(budget) more than it has.

Now this extra money spent use to be covered by various aid prog, loans etc..But when eternal budgetary aid stops..Pakistani govt will have to retrieve this money from people in form higher taxes and inflated prices.
So Common man will definitely suffer..or otherwise Pakistan will have to take extreme measure and cut out all non productive expenditures like Defence, Health , Education etc..similar to what happed in Post Soviet, Russia.

nopes this doesn't reflect the current situation in Pak, since the govt now cannot risk hiking the prices much. there is mot much margin left, unless the want to risk a massive civilian unrest which is a real possibility in Pakistan even right now. So the govt would have to either cut down its expenses or leave. there arent any third options at this stage of the game anymore.

And not much is being spent on health and education anyways, less than 1% is not even spending on a certain sector where cost cuts would reap anything.

 

[Imran Khan]

ministry of foreign affairs should protest and issue statement

lo a gai statement

سارے کام چھوڑو، امداد مانگو :سفار تخا نوں کو ہدایت​

سلام آباد(مانیٹرنگ ڈیس&#1705وزیر خارجہ شاہ محمود قریشی نے پاکستانی سفارتخانوں اور دفتر خارجہ کے حکام کو ہدایت کی ہے کہ سیلاب کی تباہ کاریوں سے نمٹنے کیلئے زیادہ سے زیادہ امداد کی فراہمی یقینی بنا ئی جائے۔انہوں نے یہ ہدایت دفتر خارجہ میں ہونے والے اعلیٰ سطح اجلاس کی صدارت کرتے ہوئے جاری کیں۔ دفتر خارجہ میں قائم فلڈ ریلیف سیل نے اجلاس کو بتایا کہ بین الاقوامی اداروں اور دوست ممالک کی جانب سے بھجوائے گئے امدادی سامان کے علاوہ اب تک دوسو پچاس ملین ڈالر امداد کے دعوے بھی کئے گئے ہیں۔ وزیر خارجہ نے ہدایت کی کہ بیرون ملک پاکستانیوں کو بھی اپنے متاثرہ پاکستانی بھائیوں کی مدد کیلئے متحرک کیا جائے۔

 

[JonAsad]

What happened here? how did i missed couple of pages while replying?

 

[ajtr]

On one side you have option to hang one non Pakistani - and on the other loose american goodwill and dollars.

What will you prefere without being naive?

not even trillion dollars and american goodwill is worth defying the justice.Pakistan can do without usa goodwill which always bought it ruins nothing else.

 

[Safriz]

On contrary ..it will be the people will suffer..Pakistani govt has habit of spending more(budget) more than it has.

Now this extra money spent use to be covered by various aid prog, loans etc..But when eternal budgetary aid stops..Pakistani govt will have to retrieve this money from people in form higher taxes and inflated prices.
So Common man will definitely suffer..or otherwise Pakistan will have to take extreme measure and cut out all non productive expenditures like Defence, Health , Education etc..similar to what happed in Post Soviet, Russia.

prices are already higher than most Pakistanis can pay..Any further increase will only mean people will stop buying and start looting.which may be good as a revolution will begin
The thing is that you cant threaten death to a person suffering from aggressive cancer.He will only laugh at you.
same is the situation with Pakistani public,we have been facing so many problems for so long that any threat is no more a threat for us.We are now immune to any further threats and resultant problems if any.
USA and international community can do what they want,they cant add to general public's problems..Instead any such embargo may rid the country from the selfish rulers we have,and that will be the best change.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Dont you think the justification will be obvious?
He was arrested because his diplomatic immunity was not proved

Exactly! You can't make an arrest in that case until and unless you confirm it with your FO.

It cannot be done.

 

[Safriz]

lo a gai statement

سارے کام چھوڑو، امداد مانگو :سفار تخا نوں کو ہدایت​

سلام آباد(مانیٹرنگ ڈیس&#1705وزیر خارجہ شاہ محمود قریشی نے پاکستانی سفارتخانوں اور دفتر خارجہ کے حکام کو ہدایت کی ہے کہ سیلاب کی تباہ کاریوں سے نمٹنے کیلئے زیادہ سے زیادہ امداد کی فراہمی یقینی بنا ئی جائے۔انہوں نے یہ ہدایت دفتر خارجہ میں ہونے والے اعلیٰ سطح اجلاس کی صدارت کرتے ہوئے جاری کیں۔ دفتر خارجہ میں قائم فلڈ ریلیف سیل نے اجلاس کو بتایا کہ بین الاقوامی اداروں اور دوست ممالک کی جانب سے بھجوائے گئے امدادی سامان کے علاوہ اب تک دوسو پچاس ملین ڈالر امداد کے دعوے بھی کئے گئے ہیں۔ وزیر خارجہ نے ہدایت کی کہ بیرون ملک پاکستانیوں کو بھی اپنے متاثرہ پاکستانی بھائیوں کی مدد کیلئے متحرک کیا جائے۔

oh well,i forgot we are ruled by idiotic bums.