Rape, torture by landlords forces Karnataka villagers to flee

[toppys]

We have dalit muslims in India. You really dont have any idea about how things are in India. There is also dalit christians fyi.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4414283

 

[Trisonics]

So you agree that Caste system is part of Hinduism. So I have known for all along.

I have called caste systme a sub human monkey level practice because the substance it carry. Dalit class consider monkey. Now do you disagree with me that Bharat need to rewrite hindu religion to upgrade it millions of dalits to human standard.

Agreed your comprehension levels dive when you cannot refute wht you claimed and you choose to ignore any arguments or is that because you dont like what you hear? You may have been fed wrong information about a certain religion and hence you cannot comprehend anything that is said which confuses you on what you believe?

Please, I can give a million names for million other practices followed in this world..If you can refute what I said lets continue else lets talk of the sub human monkey in detail please..I think there may be another candidate for this new term

 

[humanfirst]

Some Bharati would tell us that Hinduism is a God send religion but I disagree because God can not discriminate over his creature.

cast system is not condoned by hindu religious texts.Cast based discrimination is a social evil just like honour killings in pakistan.Since you brought hinduism and asserted that god sent religion cannot discriminate between peoples,may i ask about discrimination to other religions in islam?According to islam a non muslims testimony in court is of half value of muslim,a female's testimony is of half value of a male.Muslims should fight for their right to spread islam but anyone who leaves islam should be killed,islam condoned the social system of slavery which made some people slaves of others and could be traded in market(There are hadiths that prophet muhammed went to slave market,sold his and bought two new ones, at another time even accepted a white slave girl as a gift from a christian king).quran generalises jews as evil in more than one occasion,no wonder you happily use racist and generalising remarks about jews and hindus.To sum up,some texts of quran and hadiths clearly discriminates against non muslims in society even in criminal laws.So let us agree on one thing,true god does not discriminate between his people,every discriminating laws made in hinduism(cast system,sati etc) and islam(the ones i mentioned and more)are made by some selfish interests and should be removed from our societies,even if it means removing of that parts from religious texts.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

First of all you should have condemned the rape and torture of women and poor community by powerful community.

If condemning in your idea is to use foul language on the perpetrator or suggest to punish the perpetrator with violent torture methods,then it gets us nowhere,Anyone paying attention to this threads obviously condemns it ,like i said its understood.We should go to the next step to discuss the cause and solution to it.

There is very well division of rights in Hinduism viz a viz the low casts and high casts hindus.


No marriages into low casts, no touching, even no entry to low casts in temples.

There are not one but several incidents which could be quoted here

There is no maligning. Its a fact which you know as well.

There is no shying away from the facts mentioned above.But its more of social stigma of a rural or conservative society.

 

[Spring Onion]

Exact reaction that I anticipated. Hinduism defines caste system as any entity with groups of people is defined today, that is "Division of Labor" and not "Division of equal rights".

Its the people who decided they would act otherwise. If you can refute what I said above, please do so with proper proof. Otherwise stop bashing Hinduism on the premise that "I don't care..we are talking Hinduism so let me let me take this opportunity to Malign!"

First of all you should have condemned the rape and torture of women and poor community by powerful community.

secondly

Division of the labour and UnToucability are two different things.


There is very well division of rights in Hinduism viz a viz the low casts and high casts hindus.


No marriages into low casts, no touching, even no entry to low casts in temples.

There are not one but several incidents which could be quoted here

There is no maligning. Its a fact which you know as well.

 

[Al-zakir]

The only monkey around anywhere is the guy who is not understanding what other people are trying to say. Maybe you can imitate other things .. Again..

CASTE SYSTEM IS MAN MADE IF YOU HAVE READ ANY HINDU SCRIPTURE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE CASE THEN COME BACK AND FLAY YOUR ARMS AROUND.

I thought I was neandrathal??? It was a brave race.

 

[diva]

So you agree that Caste system is part of Hinduism. So I have known for all along.

I have called caste systme a sub human monkey level practice because the substance it carry. Dalit class consider monkey. Now do you agree with me that Bharat need to rewrite hindu religion to upgrade it millions of dalits to human standard.

Caste system was never a part of hinduism in the current form but in fact was division of society on the basis of the work one is supposed to do. there was no discrimination as such or one caste being superior to another. All castes were equal and had their desisgnated tasks.

 

[forcetrip]

I thought I was neandrathal??? It was a brave race.

You keep on getting demoted as you continue your nonsense.

 

[Al-zakir]

There is very well division of rights in Hinduism viz a viz the low casts and high casts hindus.


No marriages into low casts, no touching, even no entry to low casts in temples.

There are not one but several incidents which could be quoted here

Intermarriges between high and low caste is far fetch and too luxury in Hinduism. If a dalit die then bhramin rather let it eat by dogs than touch it. Talking about higher class.

 

[Trisonics]

First of all you should have condemned the rape and torture of women and poor community by powerful community.

Rape and torture is not defined in Hinduism. Its your false understanding. As far as the communities are defined in Hinduism, let me re type what I did, but you choose to ignore, it purely for better working of an entity!

Yes!! I condemn this act but I also condemn your stance of maligning Hinduism with your half baked knowledge

secondly

Division of the labour and UnToucability are two different things.


There is very well division of rights in Hinduism viz a viz the low casts and high casts hindus.


No marriages into low casts, no touching, even no entry to low casts in temples.

There are not one but several incidents which could be quoted here

There is no maligning. Its a fact which you know as well.

Where in any Hindu sect is it explained that high caste has to rape and torture people who are poor??? Please re-read you are missing this point for a long time!!!!

Where does it say in Hinduism people from one caste cannot marry from another caste???

The only fact known is about man skewing religion to use it for its own belief!!! The other fact?? You are ill-informed!

 

[Mogambo]

Rape, torture by landlords forces Karnataka villagers to flee
Senthalir S, TNN, Aug 26, 2010, 03.42am IST



BUDIHALLI (KARNATAKA): It's the untold tale of a village in the grip of the feudal system, and a quiet revolt brewing. Budihalli village of Karnataka's Chitradurga district is a glaring example of caste discrimination and bondage, with a yawning gap between communities.

Here, landlords hold sway. They allegedly rape and torture women of lower castes while the men work as bonded labourers, paying off debts accumulated over generations.

Breaking the stranglehold, 25 families of Madiga (scheduled caste) community left the village to look for self-respect and a new life. They reached Venkateshwaranagar in Chellakere taluk, 30 km from Budihalli, and set up tent.

The exodus took place a fortnight ago. Women, men, children and the elderly took their possessions and began walking until they reached a settlement abandoned by nomads. For now, they are living in thatched huts.

For them, this migration is symbolic: a breaking away from sexual harassment, rape and torture by the Gollas and Nayaks. The penniless families had no money to even buy bus tickets to their destination.

Sitting cramped in the huts — two families in each — they recounted the horrors of their life in Budihalli. "We didn't know where to go. We left our village without taking our belongings. We don't have jobs or money to send our children to school. We are struggling for two meals a day. The government has not helped us in any way. We have lost hope, and have no place to go," cries Kollamma T, a Madiga woman.

Savithramma (name changed), fighting back her tears, said, "Every day, drunk landlords would barge into our houses. They harassed and raped us. All these years, we were scared to talk because of social stigma."

"They abused us. Our men went to work in the fields of the landlords as bonded labourers to repay the loans taken by our grandparents. We were unable to bear the harassment, and wanted to work independently. So we began to sell firewood and cultivate government land," she said. When the Madigas began earning independently, the Golla and Nayak landlords socially boycotted them.

H N Shivamurthy, state organizing convener of the Human Rights Forum for Dalit Liberation in Karnataka, said, "The families of the dalit community had protested several times. One woman, Palakka Durgappa, lost her life while protesting. She sat in the rain for three days, protesting. But it hasn't helped them."

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How it is relevant to pakistan defense forum?? is it for its strong resemblance for Sindh etc. or u have license to spam?

 

[Al-zakir]

You keep on getting demoted as you continue your nonsense.

Caste system affect millions of human. We are to talk about this sub human practice in our next door and create awarness. Now I do not wish to call you a monkey but then again if you support caste system then......

 

[forcetrip]

Caste system affect millions of human. We are to talk about this sub human practice in our next door and create awarness. Now I do not wish to call you a monkey but then again if you support caste system then......

Yes that is what I have been saying along since the very beginning.. When you have taken your medicine please come back and read everything again .. Maybe just learning to write english and having the ability to understand and comprehend what is written are two very different things. Maybe your species will have better luck in the future .. if it was upto me I would not let your species procreate but then that would be too harsh and would make me no better than you.

 

[Spring Onion]

If condemning in your idea is to use foul language on the perpetrator or suggest to punish the perpetrator with violent torture methods,then it gets us nowhere,Anyone paying attention to this threads obviously condemns it ,like i said its understood.We should go to the next step to discuss the cause and solution to it.

Please go through the thread and check how many Indians have condemned this incident in simple words. NO one is asking for any harsh way for the criminals but i am questioning lack of simple condemnation from educated lot here from India. If you cant do that you cant go for solution

There is no shying away from the facts mentioned above.But its more of social stigma of a rural or conservative society.

I would disagree with this notion of everything blaming on ruler society when the same is practiced in cities and among educated people.

 

[RobbieS]

Not centuries. Cast System is in Hinduism since its inception. The system has become a monster and despite laws you can not change the mindset of people now.

Media and specially Indian Cinema can play a big role in changing the mindset in India about cast system.


2. NO its not an isolated incident. Rather not often reported just all other developing countries of this region including ours

The bolded part is incorrect, Jana. The Vedas, which are the earliest known texts of the Aryans in the subcontinent and the Hindus do not mention anything about the Caste system. Rig Veda has a text which goes - "I was a poet because my father was a farmer and he was a farmer because his father was a soldier." Now these are three different castes we are talking about. We know that caste system is rigid and shifting between castes wasnt allowed. But this system does prove that the caste system didnt exist initially but was developed much later.

But regardless of this, the incident is despicable. Its indeed true that landlords that are high castes in most cases tend to exploit their servants who are lower castes. It is shameful and their should be the harshest punishment for it.