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PLEASE NOTE : This article is from Air & Cosmos magazine which is a highly popular french magazine .Well as the pdf was in jpeg format i could nt translate it directly by copy pasting the article into google translate ,so i had to personally type all the french word in google translate & translate it ,so if by chance if there is any mistake in translation plz forgive me & also correct me.
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Air & Cosmos magazine

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Duels au dessus des sables

Saint Dizier 8 Novembre 2009
Une premiere vague de trois Rafale de l EC-1/7 "pr ovence" quitte la Haute -Marne pour des horizons bien plus desertiques.Direction les Emirats Arabes unis (EAU) et ; la base aerienne d Al Dhafia ,pour un exercise aucun no pilote de chasse au monde ne souhaiterait manquer: l;Advanced Tactical Leadership Course ,organise annuelle-ment par les EAU. Au total, six Rafale du 1/7 rejoignent deux vagues de trois avions la base emiratie en cet automne 2009.ls sont accompagnes par 15 pilotes, d'origines et d'experiences diverses .Tous ont saisi l'occasion de venir s'en-trainer sur un terrain de jeu hors du commun: trois fois plus grand que le "range" de Red Flag,l' Air Warfare Centre a ete cree en 2000 au profit des pays du Golfe et de leur s principaux allies que sont les Etats -Unis,la Grande-Bretagne et la france ainsi que d'autres nations invitees ponctuellement chaque annee. L' AWC emirati dispose egalement du dernier cri en matiere d' equipements de restitution permettant un de briefing tres precis a la fin de chaque mission
En 2009 , le Rafale participe pour la premiere fois a Advanced Tactical Leadership Course .Mais un autre invite exceptionnel partage l'affiche : le F22 raptor americain , dont l' US Air force a depeche six avions rattaches au 27 th Fighter Squadron ,base a Langle y Air Force Base . Concu au de but des annees quatr e-vingt- dix,le chasseur americain est l'avion de combat le plus moderne en service a ce jour .Il associe des performances aerodynamiques extraordinaires a une tres grande furtivite ,mais aussi a un

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Duels above the sand

Saint Dizier November 8,
A first wave of three Rafale of EC- 1/ 7th "provence" leaves the Haute-Marne for horizons much desertiques.Direction Arab Emirates (UAE) and; Air Base to Al Dhafia, no exercise for any fighter pilot in the world would miss the; advanced tactical leadership race, organized yearly by the UAE-ment. A total of six gust seventh join two waves of three aircraft based in Emirati 2009.ls this fall are accompanied by 15 pilots, of various backgrounds and experiences. All took the opportunity to come in trainer on a playground out of the ordinary: three times larger than the "range" of Red Flag, the Air Warfare Centre was created in 2000 in favor of the Gulf countries and their main allies that are s states U.S., Britain and France and other nations invitees punctually each year. The AWC has Emirati also the last word in matters of reproduction equipment allowing a very precise briefing at the end of each mission
In 2009, the Rafale is participating for the first time at Advanced Tactical Leadership Course. But another poster invites outstanding shares: the F22 raptor American, including the U.S. Air Force has six planes Depeche piecing the 27 th Fighter Squadron, based in Langle y Air Force Base. Designed for the purpose of year quatr e-nineties, the American fighter is the fighter most modern in service today. It combines extraordinary aerodynamic performance has a very high stealth, but also has
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systeme d'armes articule autour d'un puissant radar Actively Electronically scanned Radar et de capteurs passifs dont le fonctionnement est proche en principe de celui de SPECTRA . Taille sur mesure pour l' interception a haute altitude et le combat tournoyant: il dispose pour cela d'une poussee vectorielle qui permet d'orienter le flux d'air de ses deux reacteurs dans le plan vertical,offrant un surcroit de manoeuvrabilite dans toutes les phases de vol.
Sur le papier ,le F 22 Raptor et la Rafale n'ont donc pas grand- chose a voir. Alors que l'avion americain (le chasseur le plus cher au monde) a ete concu comme lavion ultime de defense aerienne, le bireacteur francais reste un avion polyvalent et "abordable".Les deux appareils ne sont meme pas concurrents sur le marche international: Washington refuse ainsi d' exporter son raptor ,qui doit rester la "botte secrete" durant un conflit aerien de forte intensite .
Le dition 2009 d advanced tactical leadership course va tout de meme etre pretexte au premier affrontement entre les deux avions

Une defaite pour cinq matchs nuls

L US airforce a toutefois pose de strictes conditions entourant cette confrontation: le Raptor ne participera a aucun exercice Beyond Visual Range avec des appareils etrangers .Les pilotes americains acceptent uniquement de se mesurer en combat tournoyant 1 contre 1 face aux equipages qui participent a le exercise. Les pilotes de 'l EC-1/7 saisissent leur chance ...et le bilan est plutot encourageant: sur six passes , seule une aur ait abouti,d'apres les aviateurs francais , a une victoire franche du F 22 Raptor .Les cinq autres se seraient terminees sur un "draw" , cest-a- dire une situation d egalite qui peut etre obtenue par divers parametres : duel qui s'eternise au -dela


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weapons system built around a powerful Actively Electronically scanned radar and passive sensors whose operation is similar in principle to that of SPECTRA. Size of able to intercept at high altitude and in the dogfight: he has for that a thrust vector that guides the exhaust of its two engine in the vertical plane, providing extra maneuverability in all phases of flight.
On paper, the F 22 Raptor and the Rafale have not much to see. While the aircraft was American (the most expensive fighter in the world) has been designed as a Plane ultimate air defense, the French jet aircraft remains a versatile and "affordable." The Both planes are not even competing on the international market: Washington and refuses to export its raptor, which is remain the "secret weapon" during a high intensity aerial conflict.
The 2009 edition of advanced tactical leadership race will be all the same pretext in the first clash between the two planes

A defeat for five draws

The U.S. airforce has, however, poses stringent conditions surrounding this confrontation: the Raptor has not participated in any Beyond Visual Range exercise with any foreign planes. American Pilots accept only to compete in a dogfight 1 against 1 against teams that participate in the exercise.The pilots' s EC 1/7 seize their chance ... and the results are rather encouraging:
On six times, only one would have resulted, after the pilots of French, has a clear victory over the F 22 Raptor. The other five would have ended on a "draw", that is to say a situation of equality that can be obtained by various parameters: duel drags on beyond

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d'une durèe prèdèfinie,enfoncement du "plan-cher" fixè pour l'exercice...

Deux paramétres principaux donnent l'avantage au Raptor en combat tournoyant : sa poussèe vectorielle et l' immense puissance que lui confèrent ses deux rèacteurs ,qui dèlivrent chacun prés de deux fois la poussèe du M88 ! Méme s'il est bien plus lourd que le Rafale ,le F-22 conserve une manoeuvrabilitè redoutable qui lui permet de se sortir de la plupart des situations dèlicates en BFM ;méme s'il dégrade beaucoup d'energie lors de manoeuvres à incidence trés élevée, celle-ci peut-ètre rapidement récupérée par ses moteurs. Mais les pilotes se gardent bien de qualifier le Raptor d'invulnérable:
"Face à un F-22, le Rafale peut se mettre en position de tir canon mais il doit le faire trés rapidement ,sous peine de voir les roles s'inverser si le duel s'éternise ",résume un aviateur français .En combat longue portée

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predefined time, depressing the "high-level" fixed for the year ...

Two main parameters give the advantage to the Raptor in dogfight: its thrust vector and the immense power conferred by its two engines, which each deliver near twice the thrust of the M88! Although it is much heavier than the Rafale, the F-22 retains a formidable maneuverability that allows him to leave the most delicate situations BFM; same degrades if a lot of energy during impact operations at very high, it may be rapidly recovered by the engines. But the pilots are careful to qualify the Raptor invulnerable:
"Faced with an F-22, Rafale can get in shooting position cannon but it must do so very quickly, lest the roles be reversed if the battle drags on," said one French aviator. In combat long-range


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les choses sont bien différentes. Les performances du radar APG 77 et la faible signature radar de l'avion , associées à la capacité d'évoluer en trés haute altitude (jusqu'à 65 000 ft) et à Mach 1.7 sans faire usage de la post combustion rendent l'oiseau pratiquement intouchable...

Les performances de Spectra épatent

Les aviateurs du "Provence" quittent Al Dhafra le 12 décembre ,aprés avoir accumulé 320 heures de vol au cours de 182 sorties .Un grand nombre d'engagements complexes ont permis une fois de plus de faire la démonstration de la polyvalence du chasseur français .Un exemple : lors d'une mission de bombar dement ,le numéro deux d'une patrouille de quatre Rafale largue six AASM à guidage GPS sur six objectifs différents,tout en tirant trois Mica
sur des pistes hostiles...le tout en à peine plus d'une minute.


Le debriefing montrera que les six objectifs, distants de prés de 50 km, ont tous été détruits,tandis que deux appareils ennemis ont été a battus par les missiles francais.Comme pendent Red Flag, les Français louent aussi les performances de Spectra dans la localisation des menaces sol-air: les Rafale déployès pour advanced tactical leadership race auraient ainsi pu remplir parfaitement la mission de destruction des défenses aériennes ennemies (SEAD) aux cotès des F-16 CJ amèricains,dont c'est la mission principale . Une capacitè multirole désormais éprouvée qui permettra au Rafale de faire enfin la différence face à ses compétiteurs

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things are very different. The APG 77 radar performance and low radar signature of the aircraft, together with the ability to evolve in very high altitude (up to 65,000 ft) and Mach 1.7 without using the afterburner make the bird virtually untouchable ...

Performance Spectra amaze

The airmen of "Provence" leaving Al Dhafra December 12, after having accumulated 320 hours flying over 182 attractions. Many complex commitments have once again to demonstrate the versatility of the French fighter. an example: on a mission of bombarding Dement, the number two of a patrol of four Rafale dropped GPS-guided AASM six on six different objectives, while taking three Mica on hostile tracks ... all in just over a minute. The debriefing will show that the six objectives, apart near 50 km, were all destroyed, while two enemy aircraft were beaten by a missile hanging francais.Comme Red Flag, the French also praise the performance of Spectra in the location of ground-air threats: the Rafale made to advanced tactical leadership race would have been able to perfectly fulfill the mission of destroying defenses enemy air (SEAD) alongside the F-16 CJ U.S., which is the main mission. Now proven multirole capability that will allow the Rafale to finally make the difference against its competitors.





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Well it's amazing despite being a 4.5 gen fighter rafale did manage to get a win out of 6 engagements & 5 were drawn in the aerial exercise between rafale & F22 in (ATLC) in 2009.Yes the aerial wargame was fought in within visual range ,if that fight have been fought in beyond visual range the result couldnt have been the same .But 1 thing was indeed worth mentioning that rafale performed impressively well despite being fielded a generation ahead plane like that F 22 raptor.
 
Thank you for the work you put in. Interesting read.
 
great work buddy.

undoubtedly rafy will be the meanest bird in this region.
 
Yup interesting read and good work doctor no. 999

Now weve got rafa but in this region nobody has roger . lol So sad !!:lol:
 
well ofcourse this aerial exercise proves that Rafale in within visual range warfare can challenge any fighter whether it is 4th or 5th
gen fighter
 
Thank you India for buying our Raffy, hope you guys enjoy your new toy, this baby will put the IAF ahead of many of the Asian nations as well. Friend is in the French Airforce and pilots these birds says its one awesome jet.

We are looking for strong relationship with France…believe it is going strong day by day.
 
Interesting. Rafale's EO pods, EW and surv systems are excellent. The main advantage of F-22 is stealth and APG-77.
 
Thank you India for buying our Raffy, hope you guys enjoy your new toy, this baby will put the IAF ahead of many of the Asian nations as well. Friend is in the French Airforce and pilots these birds says its one awesome jet.
Infact mate we are honoured to have such a great jet like RAFALE in our airforce .& we wish rafale's worth would be admired not only by India & france but by many other countries like Brazil ,UAE & Malaysia .


Just cant wait to see this sight :D
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Sommy.. You remember my words saying half a squadron of Raffy is enough for a full squadron of that black "invincible" one we were talking about.

Hope we both agree on that one.! ;)
Well that black invinsible is invisible only in forum :whistle:when in real combat u would see how
avionics & ECM & high quality BVR & short range AAM of rafale toasts it's A$$ :lol:

well not only both but oneday everyone would see with their own eyes .:agree:

Interesting. Rafale's EO pods, EW and surv systems are excellent. The main advantage of F-22 is stealth and APG-77.
bro ,french decided to invest more on avionics & ECM to counter stealth rather than developing stealth jet .Of course they have decided to develop Neuron UCAV which would one day be also controlled by RAFALE .Yes it is not fiction it would happen one day

4)RAFALE'S FUTURE UPGRADES
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The Dassault Rafale
5)AVIONICS SUITE UPDATE DIRCM TO BE INCLUDED:
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Rafale Upgrade Ready in 2012
 
Excellent stuff as usual from Somnath! :tup:

I was particularly interested in this:

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Now what's remarkable is that the Rafale features an advanced avionics suite which includes several passive sensor systems. The front-sector electro-optical system or Optronique Secteur Frontal TV (OSF-TV), developed by Thales, is completely integrated within the aircraft and can operate both in the visible and infrared wavelengths.

Is that why the F-22s stealth characteristics are defeated to a large extent as can be seen in the pics above?
 
What is to note is that the F-22 carried its Luneberg lens in these scenario's.. and allowed the Rafale and EF to see it.
and when it did not.. it was able to take BVR shots with impunity..
The Rafale did however, give the F-22 a challenge within WVR since its optronic suite was able to lock on to the F-22..
and shots with the MICA-IR were taken.. assuming that the missle did lock on and hit its target.

Similar results were seen with the EF and ASRAAM.
 
So Rafale can compete with F-22 in close air to air combat. But in real life scenario, I wonder how many here believe that Rafale has any chance against F-22.
 

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