RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

[DARKY]

Firstly apart from PDF, which other platform do you have the privilege to debate from the opposite side.

Actually 7 of them and I don't see any reason disclosing my identity in either of them here...........BTW I have been observing from 2007/08.

Its only in PDF that you guys come up with stuff like our pilots are better drives and those fast and furious dialoge, What you don't realise that guys across the border are notching 250hrs/annum on flankers.................when you are struglling to get spares to keep your F-16 in flying conditions...................what do you people think those pilots are dumb or what even after 1000+ hrs of flying experience on flanker your new bies would humble them do you people learn flying before birth or what............lol.

Look carefully do you see PAF/IAF there.

since you are beating about the bush, care to elaborate, what battle experience your super dopers both men and machine have under their belt.

Does that in anyway lessen their capability if yes than stop burning blood and precious data space on internet and enjoy life.

 

[Windjammer]

Hi,

It don't work that way----all six of them will be taken out---because they are less capable aircraft----. You don't buy weapons of war to see how much each costs in loss---you see what it can do against the best of the enemy aircraft and defences.

6 JF 17 against two su 30's wil result in the loss of 6 jf17's---it will be the other way around with2 rafales aganist 2 su30's.

My focus was more on attacking a ground target rather than air to air combat. Even in the air war scenario, there have been major up sets like the USAF F-15s outgunned by RAF Jaguars in a NATO exercise, albeit not battle proven, the SU-30 may be a very capable platform but let me assure you, no PAF pilot is carrying strong head ache tablets.

 

[Windjammer]

stop burning blood and precious data space on internet and enjoy life.

You have said it, best to practice what you preach. !!

 

[DARKY]

You have said it, best to practice what you preach. !!

self delete

 

[DARKY]

My focus was more on attacking a ground target rather than air to air combat. Even in the air war scenario, there have been major up sets like the USAF F-15s outgunned by RAF Jaguars in a NATO exercise,

Err a Mig 21bison did gun down F-15E during cope India 2004 and Mig 23 did beat Mig 29 in air exercises and a F-16 did kill a F-22 in an air exercise and..........................................david did beat the goliath some day.

Wake up buddy some days some upsets come just Sometimes
and they don't win you wars.

 

[araz]

Admire your posts Santro. The current ACM knows where he will get the most support from. He is honest and straight forward. He is grossly under estimated ,but very competent.This is all that I have to say.
Araz

 

[Bossman]

Proof is in the pie.

During Kargil IAF lost 4 aircrafts. 1 Mig 21, 1 Mig 27, 1 Canberra, 1 Mil 8.

Did not have the balls to do anything after the Parliment or the Mumbai attack. So every thing is on paper. A lot of hot air not much else.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Proof is in the pie.

During Kargil IAF lost 4 aircrafts. 1 Mig 21, 1 Mig 27, 1 Canberra, 1 Mil 8.

Did not have the balls to do anything after the Parliment or the Mumbai attack. So every thing is on paper. A lot of hot air not much else.

u need to understand the difference between the political will and the strength of military....

dont PAF was crying loud that they can take down drones but they do not have GOP permission ?

do underestimate IAF at ur own peril.. IA never said that they didn't want to face any particular adversary.. don't forget about 1971..

 

[MastanKhan]

My focus was more on attacking a ground target rather than air to air combat. Even in the air war scenario, there have been major up sets like the USAF F-15s outgunned by RAF Jaguars in a NATO exercise, albeit not battle proven, the SU-30 may be a very capable platform but let me assure you, no PAF pilot is carrying strong head ache tablets.

Hi,

Windjammer---I understand that part about the ground strike----the thing about the nato excercises is---it is to be taken with a grain of salt----americans will work you to get the best out of you to show them what you have----it is like a cat and mouse game that they play in these excercises---.

They want to know all your tricks----making you win is a feel good factor for the lesser capable---it gives the americans the chance to see what your maximum capabilities are----you see---the jags will have to perform at their 110% to take out the F15's----now would the F15's be operating at 110% of their capabilities----that is the hidden secret----.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sirs,

India went on a counter attack after the mumbai attacks----it was not your conventional millitary strike---that is why you don't see the millitary in action----the cold start was dealt with a master stroke of genius, a blade of cold steel with a surgeon's precision.

After kargil---india took out the 40 million dollar atlantique with 39 officers each worth their weight in gold---. Each officer worth minimum one million to 10 million dollars worth in training and experience----possible a loss of 150 million dollars from one plane downed----.

You want to put down india----then you have to come up with better results----. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the shortcomings---because until and unless they are accepted---you never know where to begin and correct the issues you have.

 

[DARKY]

Sirs,

India went on a counter attack after the mumbai attacks----it was not your conventional millitary strike---that is why you don't see the millitary in action----the cold start was dealt with a master stroke of genius, a blade of cold steel with a surgeon's precision.

After kargil---india took out the 40 million dollar atlantique with 39 officers each worth their weight in gold---. Each officer worth minimum one million to 10 million dollars worth in training and experience----possible a loss of 150 million dollars from one plane downed----.

You want to put down india----then you have to come up with better results----. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the shortcomings---because until and unless they are accepted---you never know where to begin and correct the issues you have.

I think that incident had more to do with poor radar and navigation officer at Karanchi who at 1st allowed it to go near the border and 2nd didn't send any escort to save it................IAF just got something to save their nose lol.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think that incident had more to do with poor radar and navigation officer at Karanchi who at 1st allowed it to go near the border and 2nd didn't send any escort to save it................IAF just got something to save their nose lol.

Sir,

That was a result of poor training, a poor mindset, a disrespect for the adversary, not following orders, not following directives, a lack of take charge mindset of the controller, I care less attitude of the pilot and cockpit staff, I give a damn attitude by the paf base commander, I care less attitude about the navbal base commander, a lack of situational awareness----a total I don't give a sh-it attitude from all the parties and leadership involved.

Nobody stood up and took charge---neither of the officers on duty or the base commanders---.

 

[IndiaIsrael]

why all Pakistani members feel so proud of this outdated bird and start it comparing with best fighters in the world,
F 16 vs Su 30mki, EFT, Rafale,

 

[ramu]

why all Pakistani members feel so proud of this outdated bird and start it comparing with best fighters in the world,
F 16 vs Su 30mki, EFT, Rafale,

Unless there is a war where the best PAF fighters don't participate with F16s this vs thread will keep getting bigger. If India was in line to get F-35s we would have seen F16 vs F35s too.

 

[raavan]

I think Rafales' avionics will give it a edge over F-16 block 52s.Rafale is more comparable to the super viper. there was a reason why America offered block 60s in the mmrca tender and not block 52s.