RA'AD

[Rashid Mahmood]

 

[HRK]

but remember from the platform from which Raad gone to be fired, is not stealth!

That 'platform' is not necessarily required to be a stealth platform because of the 'stand-off range' of the RA'AD

 

[Donatello]

Brother,
AWACS just passed information to nearby Air Base, about the incoming Planes.
secondly Raad not have a range of 1000 KM,s
Yes, if Raad once lunched, not traceable, but we all knew that till today only Mirage's are able to fire the Raad till now, so its quite easy for any AWACS to track any Mirage with in our territory.

The whole point of a 'Stand OFF' weapon like Ra'ad is that the launch aircraft can stay away from the enemy defenses. 350km is a lot even for Awacs. Meaning it can be launched from safety of Pakistani airspace and still hit a target 300km inside India. Plus we have got the 700km Babur, which will itself be difficult to track.

 

[Dalit]

Say even if the enemy AWACS picks up our aircraft, it can only relay position to it's fighter/interceptors, while enemy will be under monitor by our own platforms, at the end of the day, the most likely scenario would be their jets against ours.......may the best win.

BTW, Mirage is just a test platform.

Not only that, once the ALCM enters enemy territory, it'll greatly benefit from the stealth features to manoeuvre obstacles and hit the target with accuracy. Ra'ad will be used on many platforms including future stealth fighters.

 

[syedali73]

The whole point of a 'Stand OFF' weapon like Ra'ad is that the launch aircraft can stay away from the enemy defenses. 350km is a lot even for Awacs. Meaning it can be launched from safety of Pakistani airspace and still hit a target 300km inside India. Plus we have got the 700km Babur, which will itself be difficult to track.

In order to hit 300km inside India, the launching aircraft will be some 50 or less than that kilometer from the border. This may not be safe enough a distance, for the aircraft can be taken out by the S300 SAMs or Su30s or other fighters capable of firing medium range AAMs. As you have mentioned, Babur will be a better option. Raad, it appears to me, is better suited to attack shoreline or Indian Naval assets.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@Windjammer @syedali73 how we will deploy them because for mapping either you need a UAV capable of using SAR sensor or satellite for ground mapping...

 

[Dalit]

@Windjammer @syedali73 how we will deploy them because for mapping either you need a UAV capable of using SAR sensor or satellite for ground mapping...

You mean guidance system? INS, TERCOM, DSMAC, GPS, COMPASS.

 

[Sine Nomine]

You mean guidance system? INS, TERCOM, DSMAC, GPS, COMPASS.

yup....

 

[Gufi]

We have a defensive doctrine. To understand what that means at the time of war is very simple. India will always be the aggressor and will attack from many fronts which makes counter attacks and air supremacy very difficult to maintain in every direction for them.
First of all in war it is not so easy to defend every missile or plane that is entering Indian airspace nor is it easy to counter cruise missiles.
The issue with most comments here is they take the flight by our Raad equipped air plane to be a single flight by a single plane. But if there is a war there will be a constant fight for supremacy of the skies and a few planes moving back and forth or infiltrating borders is going to happen on both sides. You can be certain if it comes to nuclear war the Babar and Raad and every ballistic missile will be fired to assure mutual destruction and not the loss of Pakistan as we know it with no real damage to India.

 

[Zarvan]

We have a defensive doctrine. To understand what that means at the time of war is very simple. India will always be the aggressor and will attack from many fronts which makes counter attacks and air supremacy very difficult to maintain in every direction for them.
First of all in war it is not so easy to defend every missile or plane that is entering Indian airspace nor is it easy to counter cruise missiles.
The issue with most comments here is they take the flight by our Raad equipped air plane to be a single flight by a single plane. But if there is a war there will be a constant fight for supremacy of the skies and a few planes moving back and forth or infiltrating borders is going to happen on both sides. You can be certain if it comes to nuclear war the Babar and Raad and every ballistic missile will be fired to assure mutual destruction and not the loss of Pakistan as we know it with no real damage to India.

As far as I know when General Raheel was Lt General he developed offensive defence doctrine according to which when we know India is planning to attack us and moving towards us we would mobilize and enter enemy area first and attack enemy in its area

 

[Gufi]

In order to hit 300km inside India, the launching aircraft will be some 50 or less than that kilometer from the border. This may not be safe enough a distance, for the aircraft can be taken out by the S300 SAMs or Su30s or other fighters capable of firing medium range AAMs. As you have mentioned, Babur will be a better option. Raad, it appears to me, is better suited to attack shoreline or Indian Naval assets.

sir India will be entering Pakistani airspace and have to deal with our air defences which I am sure are not a walk in the park. Followed by our air planes to repel and fight for air supremacy.
In war time there is no way India can establish any control over all its airspace and there will always be weak links which will be exploited. Getting planes through the defensive parameters will not be difficult at all. Raad and our airforce's ability to deliver that missile should not only be limited to shorelines or naval assets but a threat to the whole of Indian Command. For example Shorkot to Delhi is around 533 kms which is a large air force base of Pakistan. When you get to studying the map carefully the main Indian cities are not that far away from main air force bases.

As far as I know when General Raheel was Lt General he developed offensive defence doctrine according to which when we know India is planning to attack us and moving towards us we would mobilize and enter enemy area first and attack enemy in its area

there are many different doctrines which are applicable in the time of war. What is important is to understand that it would be a defensive war with defensive lines. Remember the invading force is always the one which has to fight against established defensive lines which leads to more casualties. Counter attacks and strategic pushes into higher grounds or better defensive positions is always a given.

 

[Zarvan]

sir India will be entering Pakistani airspace and have to deal with our air defences which I am sure are not a walk in the park. Followed by our air planes to repel and fight for air supremacy.
In war time there is no way India can establish any control over all its airspace and there will always be weak links which will be exploited. Getting planes through the defensive parameters will not be difficult at all. Raad and our airforce's ability to deliver that missile should not only be limited to shorelines or naval assets but a threat to the whole of Indian Command. For example Shorkot to Delhi is around 533 kms which is a large air force base of Pakistan. When you get to studying the map carefully the main Indian cities are not that far away from main air force bases.


there are many different doctrines which are applicable in the time of war. What is important is to understand that it would be a defensive war with defensive lines. Remember the invading force is always the one which has to fight against established defensive lines which leads to more casualties. Counter attacks and strategic pushes into higher grounds or better defensive positions is always a given.

We need to increase Air Force size and also add more Air Defence systems and need larger Navy

 

[Gufi]

We need to increase Air Force size and also add more Air Defence systems and need larger Navy

we need dams so we do not die of thirst. Campaign for that and trust our army will take care of the rest.

 

[Donatello]

In order to hit 300km inside India, the launching aircraft will be some 50 or less than that kilometer from the border. This may not be safe enough a distance, for the aircraft can be taken out by the S300 SAMs or Su30s or other fighters capable of firing medium range AAMs. As you have mentioned, Babur will be a better option. Raad, it appears to me, is better suited to attack shoreline or Indian Naval assets.

Hi, it is not as simple as that, not for Ra'ad or the S-300. We don't know what parameters their range is valid. For example a Ra'ad launched for 10,000 ft will have different range than the one from 30,000ft. Same thing with S-300, the quoted range is perhaps 200km but it will vary depending on speed of the target it is going at. If Su30 can see us, we can see it too, thanks to the massive RCS of itself and the weapons it is carrying. It will have to be a targeted attack and not the old ones where you had to fly over the target and drop bombs.

 

[Bornubus]

Hi, it is not as simple as that, not for Ra'ad or the S-300. We don't know what parameters their range is valid. For example a Ra'ad launched for 10,000 ft will have different range than the one from 30,000ft. Same thing with S-300, the quoted range is perhaps 200km but it will vary depending on speed of the target it is going at. If Su30 can see us, we can see it too, thanks to the massive RCS of itself and the weapons it is carrying. It will have to be a targeted attack and not the old ones where you had to fly over the target and drop bombs.

What are the possible...targets of your cruise missiles in India....during the eventuality of war....both civilians and Military??