Questions abound as Bangladesh science teacher arrested for ‘hurting religious feelings’

[bluesky]

So what’s your point on compilation after 30 years? Is there any difference between present Quran or Ali’s Quran? Do you even know why Ali (R)’s Quran was not accepted? It’s because individually written Quran based on memorization can have error even if it’s a very minor one. So to eliminate that the thirty member committee complied the Quran and match that with Abu Bakr (R)’s Quran that he kept it with him after original compilation.

Another part of the committee is to upgrade language. As the Khaliphat expanded so it brought a rapid changes to the Arabic language where to many kuraish dialect of Arabic was difficult. If I am not mistaken they have included jer, jabr, pesh for the first time.

Regardless this compilation history is a complete different topic than what the teacher said. The teacher said Quran is a man made book which prophet Muhammad was clever enough to promote. It’s fake and students should not follow it.

Please live in your self-assumed Paradise. You are denying that there was a scriber called Ibn Ishaq, you are denying that the verses were almost all scattered, you are denying that Ibn Ishaq collected the verses and compiled the first intact Holy Book during the time of Abu Bakr, you are denying that Caliph Usman created a Committee headed by Ibn Ishaq and the Holy Book we read now is this version compiled by Ibn Ishaq.

Perhaps, you are too ignorant about the history and this is why you want to imply that the Holy Book was thrown down through the roof 1400 years ago. Read history instead of indulging in fundamentalism and falsehood that you think is religion.

About the Holy Book Ali wrote. You even don't even know that Ali being a cousin was a companion of Prophet almost 24 hours a day. He wrote the Book in chronological order. Meaning the verses till a certain day was immediately followed by the verse of next day. There was no other verses in between.

But, the present text is not that way written. It was not written in the chronological order, but was written/ compiled on the basis of topics. Each topic was separated irrespective of the fact that there were other verses in between any two same topic verses.

It was done by Ibn Ishaq and his Committee. This is one reason that Hazrat Usman was killed by the rebel purists when he was reading the Holy Book.

 

[Black_cats]

Please live in your self-assumed Paradise. You are denying that there was a scriber called Ibn Ishaq, you are denying that the verses were almost all scattered, you are denying that Ibn Ishaq collected the verses and compiled the first intact Holy Book during the time of Abu Bakr, you are denying that Caliph Usman created a Committee headed by Ibn Ishaq and the Holy Book we read now is this version compiled by Ibn Ishaq.

Perhaps, you are too ignorant about the history and this is why you want to imply that the Holy Book was thrown down through the roof 1400 years ago. Read history instead of indulging in fundamentalism and falsehood that you think is religion.

About the Holy Book Ali wrote. You even don't even know that Ali being a cousin was a companion of Prophet almost 24 hours a day. He wrote the Book in chronological order. Meaning the verses till a certain day was immediately followed by the verse of next day. There was no other verses in between.

But, the present text is not that way written. It was not written in the chronological order, but was written/ compiled on the basis of topics. Each topic was separated irrespective of the fact that there were other verses in between any two same topic verses.

It was done by Ibn Ishaq and his Committee. This is one reason that Hazrat Usman was killed by the rebel purists when he was reading the Holy Book.

Instead of whining go and read my previous post again. All answers are given there. These silly claims raised by orientalists and Christian fundamentalists and all answered and debated decades back.

 

[bluesky]

Instead of whining go and read my previous post again. All answers are given there. These silly claims raised by orientalists and Christian fundamentalists and all answered and debated decades back.

When human hands are applied to write things, there are certainly many possibilities of errors. Ali's one must be compared with the present one.

You are just another uneducated religionist carving for a Paradise. Do some good deeds instead of believing in Talibanic explanations not supported by the history. Afghan Taliban are exactly the other side of your ignorant coin.

 

[Black_cats]

When human hands are applied to write things, there are certainly many possibilities of errors. Ali's one must be compared with the present one.

You are just another uneducated religionist carving for a Paradise. Do some good deeds instead of believing in Talibanic explanations not supported by the history. Afghan Taliban are exactly the other side of your ignorant coin.

Do you even have any knowledge on Quran compilation history and what’s the reason behind compilation? It is after battle of yamamah when a large number of sahaba who memorized whole Quran died. That time Abu Bakr (R) took the initiative of compilation at the request of Uthman (R).

Not only Alis but everyone’s version was correct but that could have some errors even minor ones which could lead to confusion in the future that’s why all individual written Quran copies were destroyed after the Zaid’s committee compiled and compared with the first compiled Quran which was with Hafsa (R) as both matches.

Details on Quran compilation:

Stick to the thread topic and don’t bring off topic discussion.

 

[bluesky]

Do you even have any knowledge on Quran compilation history and what’s the reason behind compilation? It is after battle of yamamah when a large number of sahaba who memorized whole Quran died. That time Abu Bakr (R) took the initiative of compilation at the request of Uthman (R).

Not only Alis but everyone’s version was correct but that could have some errors even minor ones which could lead to confusion in the future that’s why all individual written Quran copies were destroyed after the Zaid’s committee compiled and compared with the first compiled Quran which was with Hafsa (R) as both matches.

Details on Quran compilation:

Stick to the thread topic and don’t bring off topic discussion.

Like you, Mullahs now regularly change the history to save face. But, this is fraudulent behavior typical of the Muslims. Why you guys hide the truth if everything came from the Paradise.

Now, enjoy how your co-religionists are killing each other to prove how faithful they are with their brand of religion.

আফগানিস্তানে আবারো মসজিদে বোমা হামলা, এক ডজনেরও বেশি হতাহত

আবারো ভয়াবহ বোমা হামলা হয়েছে আফগানিস্তানের একটি মসজিদে। দেশটির নানগরহর প্রদেশের স্পিন ঘর এলাকায় শুক্রবারের নামাজ চলাকালীন ওই বিস্ফোরণটি ঘটানো হয়। এতে কমপক্ষে তিন জন নিহত হয়েছেন এবং আরও ১২ জন আহত হয়েছেন বলে জানিয়েছে তালেবান। বার্তা সংস্থা এএফপিকে এক তালেবান কর্মকর্তা জানান, নামাজ চলাকালীন মসজিদের...

mzamin.com

 

[Black_cats]

Like you, Mullahs now regularly change the history to save face. But, this is fraudulent behavior typical of the Muslims. Why you guys hide the truth if everything came from the Paradise.

Now, enjoy how your co-religionists are killing each other to prove how faithful they are with their brand of religion.

আফগানিস্তানে আবারো মসজিদে বোমা হামলা, এক ডজনেরও বেশি হতাহত

আবারো ভয়াবহ বোমা হামলা হয়েছে আফগানিস্তানের একটি মসজিদে। দেশটির নানগরহর প্রদেশের স্পিন ঘর এলাকায় শুক্রবারের নামাজ চলাকালীন ওই বিস্ফোরণটি ঘটানো হয়। এতে কমপক্ষে তিন জন নিহত হয়েছেন এবং আরও ১২ জন আহত হয়েছেন বলে জানিয়েছে তালেবান। বার্তা সংস্থা এএফপিকে এক তালেবান কর্মকর্তা জানান, নামাজ চলাকালীন মসজিদের...

mzamin.com

You are describing Islamic history from Hadith to say Islamic history is fake? Do you know how ridiculous is that? As I told you many Christian preacher and Orientalists had debate on this long back. This is settled matter now. You are too late in the party.

As I said you stick to the topic of the thread. If you prefer to discuss something else open a new thread.

 

[Bengal71]

When human hands are applied to write things, there are certainly many possibilities of errors. Ali's one must be compared with the present one.

You are just another uneducated religionist carving for a Paradise. Do some good deeds instead of believing in Talibanic explanations not supported by the history. Afghan Taliban are exactly the other side of your ignorant coin.

Is Ali's one available to read somewhere other than he Istanbul museum? Is there a difference between Ali's one and Uthman's one?

 

[Black_cats]

Is Ali's one available to read somewhere other than he Istanbul museum? Is there a difference between Ali's one and Uthman's one?

There are not much difference. Even the Quran that was found at Sana mosque had only some minor difference in few places.

Such minor differences are expected if you write from your memory.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Quran means oral recitation. The Quran that matters is the one orally read in Makkah and Medinah from the beginning, day after day, year after year, century after century.

 

[Indos]

Quran means oral recitation. The Quran that matters is the one orally read in Makkah and Medinah from the beginning, day after day, year after year, century after century.

What is matter is not the oral recitation, but the meaning inside it

 

[Indos]

But, the present text is not that way written. It was not written in the chronological order, but was written/ compiled on the basis of topics. Each topic was separated irrespective of the fact that there were other verses in between any two same topic verses.

It was done by Ibn Ishaq and his Committee. This is one reason that Hazrat Usman was killed by the rebel purists when he was reading the Holy Book.

There is no issue with writing based on topic since every verse has the history and we call it as asbabun nuzul ( the story behind any verse in Quran ), all of the background of each verse have been compiled as well and this is why there is Quran Tafsir beside Quran itself.

Many of the Surah that needs to be in chronological order in order to avoid miss interpretation is compiled in chronological order.

As person who has read whole Quran verses meaning entirely more than once, I am very sure there is no weakness in current Quran. Any verses that should be written in chronological like verse about war is written in chronological way so we understand the context of each verse like for instant the verse talking about the killing of Kafir is written during the war situation,

Quran, Al-Baqarah

Verse 190

Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors.

Verse 191

Kill them wherever you come upon them1 and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution2 is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.

Verse 192

But if they cease, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Verse 193

Fight against them ˹if they persecute you˺ until there is no more persecution, and ˹your˺ devotion will be to Allah ˹alone˺. If they stop ˹persecuting you˺, let there be no hostility except against the aggressors.


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If ISIS only tell you verse 191 without you understanding the verse 190, 192 and 193 then you can be a terrorist

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

What is matter is not the oral recitation, but the meaning inside it

Of course. And there are world class Muslim academics who study and ponder over it, but the common people's knowledge is very limited, usually not beyond what they are told in khutbah which is typically mostly hadith narrations, many of which are dubious.

 

[Tom-tom]

Oh but "bangladeshi sab kattwe he", "Hindus being oppressed in BD" & "BD Govs fails to protect minorities" all that and yet this individual, supposedly a Hindu, judging from the name, told a class full of muslim teenagers, who mind you could've given him a severe beatdown, that their religion and beliefs are false, only to get away with it.

And not just that, the school authorities tried to brush it aside too.


If anything this proves that minorities can do or say anything in bangladesh and get away with it, while muslims in India are systematically being erased, eliminated and vanquished.




Malda dadas ought to think things through before starting threads that only expose their deep desire to flame bait and malign people of other faiths.



Very pathetic behavior from a supposedly grown man.

What did this teacher say exactly, what were his precise words. I skimmed it but could not find it. Is this backward Islamic ts or people trying to stir kettle?

I would like to know this man's precise words.

 

[Black_cats]

What did this teacher say exactly, what were his precise words. I skimmed it but could not find it. Is this backward Islamic ts or people trying to stir kettle?

I would like to know this man's precise words.

On March 20, Hridoy was conducting a maths class of the tenth grade at the school when he allegedly said that the Prophet (PBUH) was a prudent person and he wrote the holy book himself and promoted it. The teacher said that Islam derived from science.

He also told the students that they should shun the path of such a religion and follow their own will.
Students at the class became enraged and recorded the speech on mobile phones.

Questions abound as Bangladesh science teacher arrested for ‘hurting religious feelings’

Hanafis at it again ------. Halal sectarianism @Mujahid Memon

defence.pk

 

[bluesky]

Is Ali's one available to read somewhere other than he Istanbul museum? Is there a difference between Ali's one and Uthman's one?

No, Hazrat Ali's version is not available anywhere other than which is kept in the Istanbul museum. No copy is available. It was decided by the Muslim clergymen and the Caliphs not to open it again because it would cause rifts among the Muslims.

Even, Shia people don't have access to this version. But, its history says, it was written in the chronological order. The present version was finalized at the time of Caliph Uthman. However, this version is based not on the chronological order.

The verses were collected and re-arranged on the basis of individual topics. But, in the process some verses circulated among people were discarded by the Committee.

The verses were collected and were first compiled in the form of a book at the time of Caliph Abu Bakr. But, confusion remained about the authenticity and hence the 2nd/ final version at the time of Caliph Uthman.

Only this version is available throughout the world.