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Hong Kong (CNN)US President Joe Biden's administration entered the White House this year aiming to unite allies in efforts to contain China's territorial claims across the Indo-Pacific.
On Friday, Biden takes his biggest step toward that goal so far, bringing together a virtual gathering for leaders of the Quad -- the loose alliance of the United States, Japan, India and Australia that Beijing has called emblematic of a "poisonous" Cold War mentality.
Washington said Covid-19, economic cooperation, and the climate crisis will be topics of discussion on Friday, while New Delhi said its Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, would be discussing a "free and open Indo-Pacific" with Biden, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

US President Joe Biden.
Absent from those statements was any mention of China. But it was the rise of the Asian economic and military superpower that led to the Quad's revival in 2017 -- and it's Beijing's power plays that keep the bloc's four leaders up at night heading into the summit.


The Quad, or Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, is an informal strategic forum, featuring semi-regular summits, information exchanges and military drills. While not a formal military alliance like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), it is seen by some as a potential counterweight to growing Chinese influence and alleged aggression in Asia-Pacific.
While members have emphasized the more benign aspects of the relationship, such as recent cooperation on the coronavirus pandemic, the potential for military encirclement by the Quad countries has not gone unnoticed by Beijing.
And it's no wonder.
US Navy Adm. Philip Davidson, the head of the US military's Indo-Pacific Command, on Tuesday called the Quad grouping a "diamond of democracies" in the Indo-Pacific.
Davidson said Tuesday he hoped the organization could "build into something bigger."
"Not in terms of security alone, but in terms of how we might approach ... the global economy, critical technologies like telecommunications and 5G, collaboration on the international order. Just much to be done diplomatically and economically," he said.



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Four keys for the Quad
Writing in Foreign Policy this week, four fellows at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University, including former US Defense Secretary James Mattis, said the Quad can play an important role in four key areas going forward: maritime security, supply chain security, technology and diplomacy.
In maritime security, the Quad members can bring substantial naval assets that can help the US Navy counter China's shipbuilding surge, which has given it the world's largest fleet. India, for example, has an aircraft carrier; Japan has a fleet of quality destroyers and submarines.
On supply security, the Hoover fellows argue that the industrial and manufacturing bases of the four large Quad economies can be leveraged to end advantages held by China in areas like medical supplies and pharmaceuticals that some allege have been problematic during the pandemic.
On technology, Quad members need to pool resources to provide information security and develop new systems that don't require Chinese hardware or software that might present security risks, they say.


And on diplomacy, the Hoover fellows say Japan, India and Australia maintain more influence and deeper relations with countries around the Indo-Pacific than the US now wields.
"Many countries in the region, especially Southeast Asia, will likely welcome the closer cooperation among the Quad members to balance against China's power," said Timothy Heath, senior analyst at the RAND Corp think tank.
There's no guarantees any of this will happen, however. Remember, the first incarnation of the Quad wilted and cracked under pressure from China in 2007. China portrayed the organization as an attempt to encircle it and the possibility that Beijing could retaliate economically had the three US partners backing away from any strong positions.
If the Quad tries to rein in China now, expect Beijing to retaliate, experts say.
"It will likely bring more tensions with China, including the possibility of economic retaliation against India, Australia, and Japan," Heath said.
That could prove difficult for all three. For each, China is the largest trading partner

Rare footage shows US patrol of South China Sea 02:56
Comfort for Beijing
But RAND analyst Heath points out that the Quad is far from a united front. Fissures between the members can be places of comfort for China, he said.
"It remains an informal gathering, with very little institutional backbone. In this sense, the Quad is most definitely not an 'Asian NATO,'" he said, referring to the formal Western alliance that stood fast against the Soviet Union in the Cold War.
"The Quad members may share concern about China and about the need to uphold a rules-based order, but they also lack consensus on what to do about China. The priorities differ among members, with India mostly focused on the Indian Ocean while Australia and Japan are more concerned about the South China Sea," Heath said.
And, to use a sports analogy, Beijing controls the tempo of the game right now, he added.
"If China steps up its military aggression against other countries, there is a possibility that the Quad could evolve into a more robust military alliance," said Heath.
But so long as China avoids confrontation, experts believe this potential will remain low -- a view shared by many in official Chinese circles, too.
Chinese state-owned newspaper the Global Times dismissed the grouping as an "empty talk club" in a report earlier this month. Citing experts, the report suggested that the framework of the group was flimsy and symbolic, and would ultimately come to nothing.
CNN's James Griffiths contributed to this report.
China's counter allies are something that the u.s. and its quad can only dream of...namely Pakistan, RUSSIA, North Korea, Turkey along with basically every single central asian nation. the biggest member of quad has already gotten its jaw broken and teeth busted so if I was the quad, I'd keep my mouth shut and remain as silent as a whimpering mouse!
 
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I think this Quad has to convince Beijing that if it wants to be a global leader, it will have to follow specific rules. None of the Quad members have enough weight to impose costs and convince China on their own. Let's see how Quad work as a unit, working in collaboration with the Europeans on some specific issues, Southeast Asians in other matters and create enough weight to convince Beijing that if it wants to play the global role it envisions for itself, then it will have to moderate its behaviour for the west.
I think it is time for China and Russia to teach India a lesson and stop his oil supply from all over the world and put a leash on this west dog in the region, a very noisy and lousy-mouth nation.
 
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Hence, the Quad......
Non-aligned India is more problematic for China to brush off. If the US makes aligned India then Europe doesn't like India and where is NATO and russia standing in Indo-pacific new NATO. So , quad is ....
 
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Non-aligned India is more problematic for China to brush off. If the US makes aligned India then Europe doesn't like India and where is NATO and russia standing in Indo-pacific new NATO. So , quad is ....
Quad will never be a full-fledged military alliance. India wants some level of independence.
It will always want to maintain friendly relations with Russia & Iran which are traditional US foes.

Quad will work on common interests, avoiding disagreements. These interests are freedom of navigation in South China Sea and Indian Ocean, alleviating supply chain dependency on China, protecting countries and companies from IP theft and hacking, fight against money laundering and terrorism, counter diplomatic force for developing and under-developed economies which today fall into China's lap.
 
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The real quad is obviously China - Russia- Iran- Pakistan

US quad will fall apart as soon as the hispanics/blacks take over. They love China and see Chinese people as being oppressed by evil white men. China will have great relations when America becomes an afro-hispanic nation! :)
 
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No the US is too weak. US military just has 750 military bases outside the mainland. They want to increase to 1,000 bases to counter China’s might.
*Tsk, tsk*, you know I don't want to pick on you, my guy. It's not an honourable thing to do to humiliate the victims of horrendous US war crimes like Agent Orange.

And yes, even with 750 or 1000 military bases, the US still can't handle China - that's why it's hiding behind its allies. All those bases are just Rocket Force targets. At least Trump with his "America First" understood that if you want an empire, you have to win it for yourself. Biden is slimy enough to think other people are going to fight and die for America's empire.

But who knows, maybe he's right. Maybe some people really are that stupid.
 
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The ‘Quad’ Aims to Increase Vaccine Production to 1 Billion Doses for Southeast Asia

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WHITE HOUSE - U.S. President Joe Biden and the prime ministers of Japan, India, and Australia met virtually Friday for a summit of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, where they discussed strategies to counter China’s rising influence in the Indo-Pacific region, including an offer to match Beijing’s ambitious vaccine diplomacy.

“We all have to focus on generating domestic demand and driving sustainable global growth,” Biden said during the summit. “And with launching an ambitious new joint partnership that is going to boost vaccine manufacturing for the global benefit and strengthen vaccinations, to benefit the entire Indo-Pacific."

The administration said the Quad has launched a financing mechanism to massively ramp up vaccine production in the region.

“The Quad committed to delivering up to one billion doses to ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations), the Indo-Pacific and beyond by the end of 2022,” National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Friday.

The group has put together “complex financing vehicles” to dramatically increase vaccine production capacity, a Biden administration official said in a briefing call to reporters Thursday. Another official said the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation is working with companies in India and the governments of Japan and Australia to increase production of vaccines already authorized by the World Health Organization.

Quad partners will ensure expanded manufacturing will be exported for global benefit, to be procured through key multilateral initiatives, such as COVAX, the White House said in a statement.

COVAX is the global mechanism to distribute 2 billion doses of vaccines to 94 lower- and middle-income countries by the end of the year, partly by using AstraZeneca/Oxford University-developed vaccines manufactured by the Serum Institute of India.

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Biden has been under pressure to respond to Beijing’s vaccine diplomacy as he seeks to vaccinate all Americans first by ensuring that the U.S. vaccine stockpile is “over supplied,” to prepare to vaccinate against new variants, and to vaccinate children. There is currently not enough data to determine which of the three vaccines authorized for emergency use in the U.S. is safe and effective for children.

Chinese President Xi Jinping proclaimed in May that Chinese-made vaccines would become a “global public good”. Since then, Beijing has pledged roughly half a billion doses of its vaccine to more than 45 countries, according to a country-by-country Associated Press tally. After China's initial failures in handling the outbreak, some see Beijing’s vaccine diplomacy as a face-saving tactic and a means to expand its influence.


The Biden administration aims to counter Beijing’s narrative as it seeks to address the needs for vaccinations at home and around the world, said Sheila Smith, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“They want a coalition approach to bring all those pieces of the COVID response together to make sure that we're not just thinking about ourselves, the rich countries of the region, but we're also thinking about countries that don't have the resources and providing an alternative to the Chinese approach,” Smith said.

Countering China

The Quad is not a formal military alliance but often seen as a counterweight to growing Chinese military and economic influence in Asia. The 90-minute Friday meeting would be the first leaders’ summit since the Quad’s first meeting in 2004 following the tsunami in Aceh, Indonesia.

“The four leaders did discuss the challenge posed by China, and they made clear that none of them have any illusions about China, but today was not fundamentally about China,” Sullivan said.

Analysts say there is wide expectation that the summit will elevate the Biden administration's agenda in the Indo-Pacific.

“This is a pretty big signal that this is a high priority for the new administration,” said Smith.


Following the Quad summit, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin will travel together to Japan and South Korea, followed by a solo trip by Austin to India.

Without providing details on the timing, the administration also announced that Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga will be the first leader to visit Biden at the White House in person.

The U.S. wants to return to strong U.S. alliances in the region to project strength to China, according to Bonnie Glaser, director of China Power Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“The Biden administration has crafted this arrangement to signal that it is engaging from a position of strength," she said.

State Department spokesperson Ned Price acknowledged Thursday that over the course of recent years these alliances “in some cases have atrophied, in some cases, they have frayed."

In November 2017, former President Donald Trump in Vietnam outlined the U.S. vision for a “free and open Indo-Pacific.”

While the Trump administration’s strategy in the region focused largely on maritime security and trade, the Biden administration is seeking a more comprehensive approach, including cooperation to defeat COVID-19, combat climate change, ensure a resilient supply chain and post-pandemic economic recovery.

“It’s a whole – how does the region look going forward, and how do we maintain the prosperity that has long been part of the Indo-Pacific?” Smith said.

After the series of meetings with regional allies, Blinken and national security adviser Jake Sullivan will meet their Chinese counterparts in Anchorage, Alaska, on March 18.

 
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Hong Kong (CNN)US President Joe Biden's administration entered the White House this year aiming to unite allies in efforts to contain China's territorial claims across the Indo-Pacific.
On Friday, Biden takes his biggest step toward that goal so far, bringing together a virtual gathering for leaders of the Quad -- the loose alliance of the United States, Japan, India and Australia that Beijing has called emblematic of a "poisonous" Cold War mentality.
Washington said Covid-19, economic cooperation, and the climate crisis will be topics of discussion on Friday, while New Delhi said its Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, would be discussing a "free and open Indo-Pacific" with Biden, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

US President Joe Biden.
Absent from those statements was any mention of China. But it was the rise of the Asian economic and military superpower that led to the Quad's revival in 2017 -- and it's Beijing's power plays that keep the bloc's four leaders up at night heading into the summit.


The Quad, or Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, is an informal strategic forum, featuring semi-regular summits, information exchanges and military drills. While not a formal military alliance like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), it is seen by some as a potential counterweight to growing Chinese influence and alleged aggression in Asia-Pacific.
While members have emphasized the more benign aspects of the relationship, such as recent cooperation on the coronavirus pandemic, the potential for military encirclement by the Quad countries has not gone unnoticed by Beijing.
And it's no wonder.
US Navy Adm. Philip Davidson, the head of the US military's Indo-Pacific Command, on Tuesday called the Quad grouping a "diamond of democracies" in the Indo-Pacific.
Davidson said Tuesday he hoped the organization could "build into something bigger."
"Not in terms of security alone, but in terms of how we might approach ... the global economy, critical technologies like telecommunications and 5G, collaboration on the international order. Just much to be done diplomatically and economically," he said.



See massive US-Japan military exercise kick off 01:14
Four keys for the Quad
Writing in Foreign Policy this week, four fellows at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University, including former US Defense Secretary James Mattis, said the Quad can play an important role in four key areas going forward: maritime security, supply chain security, technology and diplomacy.
In maritime security, the Quad members can bring substantial naval assets that can help the US Navy counter China's shipbuilding surge, which has given it the world's largest fleet. India, for example, has an aircraft carrier; Japan has a fleet of quality destroyers and submarines.
On supply security, the Hoover fellows argue that the industrial and manufacturing bases of the four large Quad economies can be leveraged to end advantages held by China in areas like medical supplies and pharmaceuticals that some allege have been problematic during the pandemic.
On technology, Quad members need to pool resources to provide information security and develop new systems that don't require Chinese hardware or software that might present security risks, they say.


And on diplomacy, the Hoover fellows say Japan, India and Australia maintain more influence and deeper relations with countries around the Indo-Pacific than the US now wields.
"Many countries in the region, especially Southeast Asia, will likely welcome the closer cooperation among the Quad members to balance against China's power," said Timothy Heath, senior analyst at the RAND Corp think tank.
There's no guarantees any of this will happen, however. Remember, the first incarnation of the Quad wilted and cracked under pressure from China in 2007. China portrayed the organization as an attempt to encircle it and the possibility that Beijing could retaliate economically had the three US partners backing away from any strong positions.
If the Quad tries to rein in China now, expect Beijing to retaliate, experts say.
"It will likely bring more tensions with China, including the possibility of economic retaliation against India, Australia, and Japan," Heath said.
That could prove difficult for all three. For each, China is the largest trading partner

Rare footage shows US patrol of South China Sea 02:56
Comfort for Beijing
But RAND analyst Heath points out that the Quad is far from a united front. Fissures between the members can be places of comfort for China, he said.
"It remains an informal gathering, with very little institutional backbone. In this sense, the Quad is most definitely not an 'Asian NATO,'" he said, referring to the formal Western alliance that stood fast against the Soviet Union in the Cold War.
"The Quad members may share concern about China and about the need to uphold a rules-based order, but they also lack consensus on what to do about China. The priorities differ among members, with India mostly focused on the Indian Ocean while Australia and Japan are more concerned about the South China Sea," Heath said.
And, to use a sports analogy, Beijing controls the tempo of the game right now, he added.
"If China steps up its military aggression against other countries, there is a possibility that the Quad could evolve into a more robust military alliance," said Heath.
But so long as China avoids confrontation, experts believe this potential will remain low -- a view shared by many in official Chinese circles, too.
Chinese state-owned newspaper the Global Times dismissed the grouping as an "empty talk club" in a report earlier this month. Citing experts, the report suggested that the framework of the group was flimsy and symbolic, and would ultimately come to nothing.
CNN's James Griffiths contributed to this report.

China has no one to back it militarily....even Russia isn't foolish enough to back China. It has no presence in the South China Sea where most of the battles will take place...

China is all alone while facing not only the US but also most, if not all, of its neighbors...
China, Russia, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Serbia, Syria, Iran, Belarus, called the Ten Nations Alliance

There is no such alliance Lmao

None of the above back China militarily. Most don't even have basic economic pacts with China. Who you kidding??

China is all alone. No one will help it.
The real quad is obviously China - Russia- Iran- Pakistan

US quad will fall apart as soon as the hispanics/blacks take over. They love China and see Chinese people as being oppressed by evil white men. China will have great relations when America becomes an afro-hispanic nation! :)

Lmao both Iran and Pakistan have a barely functioning Navy. Their navies aren't even blue water navies...

Russia isn't present in South China Sea. It's Pacific Fleet is a joke. So much for "the real Quad". :lol:
 
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Russia isn't present in South China Sea. It's Pacific Fleet is a joke. So much for "the real Quad". :lol:

The new Russian warships are no joke. Easily better than any American and Japanese warships. As long as Japan has beef with Russia regarding the southern Kurils, Russia will back China against Japan.


US cannot even say that Taiwan is a separate country.

Taiwan claims all of mainland China and Mongolia are ROC territory. Why would US recognize Taiwan as a separate country? It make no sense.
 
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The new Russian warships are no joke. Easily better than any American and Japanese warships. As long as Japan has beef with Russia regarding the southern Kurils, Russia will back China against Japan.



Taiwan claims all of mainland China and Mongolia are ROC territory. Why would US recognize Taiwan as a separate country? It make no sense.

Russian frigs and corvettes aren't a threat to USN destroyers and cruisers. :rofl:
 
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Russian frigs and corvettes aren't a threat to USN destroyers and cruisers. :rofl:

Sure they are. Big ships are big targets. Russians warships have AESA. Arleigh Burke and Tico don't have AESA. Not to mention Zircon hypersonic anti ship missiles are scary as hell.
 
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We have been seeing these members acting as a world geopolitics chess players shouting for China's doom since TPP era, when you thought they are Yankees but they are actually from a few AESAN countries, what an irony.
 
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Lately the usual idiots here have been constantly talking about Quad Quad Quad. To me it's just QUACK QUACK QUACK noise. All the members are nothing but lame ducks. Putting all the lame ducks together you still end up with lame ducks. China's firepower will turn them into Beijing ducks.
 
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