QING SUBMARINE - Pakistan Navy

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The Submarines issue is a , item we just have not got to due to economical situation.
Submarines can be costly vessels

We do know that Pakistan is locally manufacturing Nuclear Submarines so we just have to wait to get pleasantly surprised when the day occurs

 

[Kompromat]

Isnt that 14 subs?

Thats because there are variables in OHP and T-54s. The number could be 12-14 or higher if the economy improves.

 

[Zeeshi]

.......?

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

It is relay good if Pakistan wants to have Nuke Submarine but as far as my opinion is we must not go for this we must build more Augusta B93 we are able to fire missile from underwater and from surface we have Babur Cruse Raad they can carry atomic warhead
so it is not a big issue I know India has made Nuke-sub but for a similar roll we use two type of sub I don't think it is good before Nuke-sud we must go for Scorpion-Sub.
What ever I say it is my opinion people start debate so I must clear that I don't know much about Submarine what I'm saying is on the bases of ex-Naval officer comment we gave this comment when India made Nuke-Sub.

 

[Jf Thunder]

It is relay good if Pakistan wants to have Nuke Submarine but as far as my opinion is we must not go for this we must build more Augusta B93 we are able to fire missile from underwater and from surface we have Babur Cruse Raad they can carry atomic warhead
so it is not a big issue I know India has made Nuke-sub but for a similar roll we use two type of sub I don't think it is good before Nuke-sud we must go for Scorpion-Sub.
What ever I say it is my opinion people start debate so I must clear that I don't know much about Submarine what I'm saying is on the bases of ex-Naval officer comment we gave this comment when India made Nuke-Sub.

the Nuke sub will also be able to do that ._.

 

[Alpha1]

It is relay good if Pakistan wants to have Nuke Submarine but as far as my opinion

IMO AIP subs are more suitable for pakistan because of lower operating cost and maintainence cost.
nuclear subs are also more noisy and are more suitable for open ocean.

Augusta B93

Agosta 90b

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

IMO AIP subs are more suitable for pakistan because of lower operating cost and maintainence cost.
nuclear subs are also more noisy and are more suitable for open ocean.


Agosta 90b

Good thank you so much Navy wants to induct J11b jets for navy is it really good for Navy actually I heard it is a multiroll Jet fighter I like that jet too a big killing machine.

 

[rockstar08]

when the first qing class sub will be inducted in PN ? i really cant wait to see in Pakistan Navy

 

[HAIDER]

Non Chinese sub is blue water tested. It will take years or someone sell the teach to Chinese...Russian may be.

 

[592257001]

Non Chinese sub is blue water tested. It will take years or someone sell the teach to Chinese...Russian may be.

If there is ANY component of the PLAN that is "blue water tested", it will be the SSNs and SSBNs. Having been in service since the 70s, PLAN's Nuclear Submarines constituted the very essence of the "second strike capability" against the US. Having just recently acquired JL-2 with enough range to strike US mainland from the safety of the deep South China Sea, the Chinese have long been accustomed to traverse the pacific in order to reach the necessary minimum firing distance of the JL-1 SLBM.

As for the conventional Sub force, especially the recent introduction of Sterling AIP systems to the type 041 SSK, its role has ALWAYS been to secure the various choke-points along the first island chain, perform recon along enemy harbor and to disrupt enemy commerce shipping lane during war time. I am sure some Indian members here will be able to produce news of sighting of PLAN conventional subs along the coast line of the Indian Ocean. There have also been a "state approved" (with some sensitive information removed) journal of 035G SSK seamen reporting on their journeys to the Indian Ocean through the narrow Singapore Strait while submerged. (中国潜艇老兵的真实日记：看来我们不知道的太多了！_大旗军事_大旗网)

To say there are "No Chinese sub is blue water tested" cannot be more wrong.

 

[Munir]

Don't get frustrated about opinions my friend. India is not a small country jet it is heavily depending on import of high technology for weapon usage. The have the problems with all the projects one can come up with. The issue is not that they are stupid or incapable but they do not have the manpower, technology level or the knowledge. China has shown that they can can come with products that are shocking others. We heard that they would produce mig21 copies (and they were seen as worser then the original!) till 2010. They would no way be able to produce something like block52 (J10b) or stealth fighter jets (J20, J31). Compare that with a nation that started a simple light weight delta (Tejas) some decades ago (when China was selling J6 copies)... Do you need more to feel better? I do not think so. Same goes for Pakistan. They are in the most worse situation one can be (USA forcing Russia out Afghanistan and now retreating itself from Afghanistan)... Yet they can keep their guard up. Whether it is India, Israel or USA... They can/will do a lot but we keep returning back.A few years ago the Indians felt so secure yet they did not see Babur/Ra'ad coming... Then their Cold Start was blocked by Nasr. Now we move from J6, A5 to F7Pg towards JF17 b1/2/3 and FC20... We have Block52. We will get stealth. We might be smaller then the Indians but we are good in what we really want to achieve. Even if we have to eat grass.

 

[livingdead]

@Loki .. is this the submarine you were talking about earlier in bd thread, or is it another one.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Loki .. is this the submarine you were talking about earlier in bd thread, or is it another one.

These are old subs... based of russian romeo class subs.. first built in the 60s by China..

 

[fatman17]

PN is interested in an upgraded Song or Yuan class with AIP. there are complications in finalizing the final PN requirements. also finances are an issue too.

 

[CrazyPaki]

PN is interested in an upgraded Song or Yuan class with AIP. there are complications in finalizing the final PN requirements. also finances are an issue too.

sadly the finance is the biggest obstacle.