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you touching some realities,,,,,,,,
i am so hurt & for the first time i wish that one A bomb must blast on pakistan, when approximately 1 year before i give test of MOD AD, i see thousands of boys and girls come for this test on the same road on what PTI sitting, only 35 post and thousands of youngsters stand on road in raining... Such i Shock i found.
What is this Pakistan, Now i am also thinking to go abroad but when god like it will happens. i cant bear this educated unemployment....

i am soo hurt when i imagine that event in my life....:hitwall::hitwall:
 
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Azadi square today:-

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you touching some realities,,,,,,,,
i am so hurt & for the first time i wish that one A bomb must blast on pakistan, :hitwall::hitwall:

Bomb blast, why??.
 
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New converts to Imran

THERE are worse things than drift, impasse and bland uncertainty — see, much of the rest of the world is seemingly going to hell — but it is awfully tedious.

Imran said this, Qadri threatened that, Nawaz did nothing, somewhere something semi-relevant happened. It’s difficult to get excited or agitated by any of it any more.

Pakistan usually does its crises high-octane and this slow burn struggles to hold the interest. Everyone knows it’s not going to end anytime soon and, at this stage, mid-term elections are the worst-case scenario.

The new protester, who last year was a last-minute voter or didn’t get around to voting at all, is angry about May 2013.
If off-schedule elections are the worst thing on the table, that’s a buffet Pakistan will be able to digest without too much trouble. And even that seems like a distant prospect.

So we must make do with smaller matters. Like this business of why Imran’s agitation is resonating, perhaps not quite a groundswell as the PTI wants folk to believe, but definitely more than a trickle.

The most interesting protesters are the new ones. PTI activists you already know what they’ll say and do. PTI voters in 2013 you kinda have an idea what they’re about.

But what about the people who seem newly drawn to Imran, the ones who are willing him on and are ready to participate in his latest agitation, who neither hate Nawaz nor love Imran, but somehow have decided they care enough to pick sides in this fight?

It is possible to find them. Sometimes you see them chanting the slogan that has got under the skin of the PML-N. Sometimes they’re out on Constitution Avenue in the evenings. Many stay home, but will answer the call when Imran turns up in their cities.

Talk to them, listen to what they have to say and some themes emerge.

First, Model Town still rankles. Even though Qadri is there on Constitution Avenue, the protester newly drawn to Imran tends to start with Model Town.

How can you kill people in cold blood in Lahore? And then not let an FIR be registered? What kind of government does that?

Model Town was the original rupture, at least for the new protester. And Model Town is a powerful lightning rod because the crime was so manifest, the injustice so clear — no explanation is needed nor can responsibility be denied.

Second, it is the election. The new protester, the man or woman who last year was a last-minute voter or didn’t get around to voting at all, is angry about May 2013.

It’s not about specific rigging allegations or minutiae of ROs and stuffed ballot boxes; it’s a far more basic question that Imran has succeeded in making them wonder about: why should votes — any votes — cast legitimately not be counted?

What is this system which decides that since an overall result was expected anyway, why bother about some people being cheated out of their vote?

That grievance by the new protester is expressed in several ways and it has the power of simplicity, and principle, on its side.

Why do we have elections in the first place, where votes are counted and results tabulated, if it’s already known who’s going to win?

Or: if the PML-N wins a fresh election, so be it, but what’s this business about not being able to ensure that every vote is counted? What kind of democracy is this?

Why, in this day and age, are we to accept a process where some people’s vote gets counted and recorded accurately and others’ not?

And: what is the government afraid of? If they won, then why can’t they just satisfy Imran that they won fair and square?

What’s the harm in doing what Imran asks, the new protester is wondering, especially since everyone agrees that the process was flawed. What great principle is at stake which prevents votes from being recounted?

You can ask this new protester, the one drawn to Imran since the summer, all kinds of things. Was 2002 or 2008 fair? If 2013 was an improvement on 2008 and 2008 an improvement on 2002, then aren’t we at least moving in the right direction?

Is it not obvious that the army has, thanks to the endless protests, reoccupied much of the political space that ought to belong to the civilians? If elections are to be redone just because someone isn’t happy with the result, what kind of precedent would that set?

But the questions are easily deflected. If rigging happened in the past that doesn’t mean it should be ignored today. Demanding fair elections does not mean inviting the army into politics, rather the opposite.

And the kicker, the weapon that the new protester can use to shoot down most questions: Imran is the only one saying this stuff — and that’s why he deserves our support.

Here’s why that’s so potent: it’s true.

Imran may be saying a lot of loopy things, he may come up with kooky ideas galore and he may not have much of a grasp on how to fix things, but in his basic, essential point he is right: the election was not free and fair nor was it completely transparent.

And Imran is the only one who is saying that is unacceptable.

You can explain why a credible and acceptable May 2013 was progress, why democratic disruption may help anti-democratic forces, why Imran didn’t come close to winning, but to those who have heard Imran and absorbed his basic point, how do you explain that tainted is OK, that they should get over it and move on, vote counted or not?

You can’t. Which is why Imran is resonating and there’s more than a trickle of new converts every week.


New converts to Imran - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
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Bomb&nbsp;blast,&nbsp;why??.
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A Bomb mean, Atomic...& why you batter analysis,

if not than hints

1) Poor public
2) No Justice
3) No Peace
4) No future
5) No Life
6) No Security
7) No facilities
8) No Wise government

so bro how you see country, sorry if you have all facilities than look out side. If you are true thinker than in all above categories Japan is very perfect country affected by WW2 but later develop so kindly.
If some one hide these realities than he too cheating with country even him self......

Yahan Har Rooz Log Mar Jatey Han Kasi Na Kasi Tarha,,
Koi Goli Kha Kar,
Koi ill treatment say,
Koi Barozgari Say,
Koi terrorism say,
Our kai our tarha sey,
To kya app ya sub dakna pasand kartay han to sub chalney do,,,
Agar nehai to mulik ma nazam laio, warna daktey raho our tension na loo, kyon kai ap ney atomic bomb to bana lya ha magar ap Population & social development maay kasi 3rd category country ka muqabla nehai kar saktay.....

Ap to peney ka saff paney puray mulik ma nehai provide kar sakay to ap kis cheez ka muqabla kar rahay ho...
jab ka bohot say international countries projects pay ap kay sath kam kar rehay han to ap kis line pay ja rehay ho...

ZARA CHOCHYEEE......
 
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Ap kay mulik key serhad pay dosra mulik attack kar data ha, magar army order key mohtaj rehtey ha,, bhai inside country our border key situation differents hoten han,,14 , 15 banday maray jatey han our minister of defense key janab sey statments nakaltey han kai pakistan dafa key taqat rakta ha,, yai bat to bachay bachay ko pata ha,, kyon ap india kay nachay lagg gaee ho,, wo ak bakra hua country ha,,
Apney payarey pakistan key hafazat karo jis kay dum see hum sub han,,,,,,,.
 
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New converts to Imran

THERE are worse things than drift, impasse and bland uncertainty — see, much of the rest of the world is seemingly going to hell — but it is awfully tedious.

Imran said this, Qadri threatened that, Nawaz did nothing, somewhere something semi-relevant happened. It’s difficult to get excited or agitated by any of it any more.

Pakistan usually does its crises high-octane and this slow burn struggles to hold the interest. Everyone knows it’s not going to end anytime soon and, at this stage, mid-term elections are the worst-case scenario.

The new protester, who last year was a last-minute voter or didn’t get around to voting at all, is angry about May 2013.
If off-schedule elections are the worst thing on the table, that’s a buffet Pakistan will be able to digest without too much trouble. And even that seems like a distant prospect.

So we must make do with smaller matters. Like this business of why Imran’s agitation is resonating, perhaps not quite a groundswell as the PTI wants folk to believe, but definitely more than a trickle.

The most interesting protesters are the new ones. PTI activists you already know what they’ll say and do. PTI voters in 2013 you kinda have an idea what they’re about.

But what about the people who seem newly drawn to Imran, the ones who are willing him on and are ready to participate in his latest agitation, who neither hate Nawaz nor love Imran, but somehow have decided they care enough to pick sides in this fight?

It is possible to find them. Sometimes you see them chanting the slogan that has got under the skin of the PML-N. Sometimes they’re out on Constitution Avenue in the evenings. Many stay home, but will answer the call when Imran turns up in their cities.

Talk to them, listen to what they have to say and some themes emerge.

First, Model Town still rankles. Even though Qadri is there on Constitution Avenue, the protester newly drawn to Imran tends to start with Model Town.

How can you kill people in cold blood in Lahore? And then not let an FIR be registered? What kind of government does that?

Model Town was the original rupture, at least for the new protester. And Model Town is a powerful lightning rod because the crime was so manifest, the injustice so clear — no explanation is needed nor can responsibility be denied.

Second, it is the election. The new protester, the man or woman who last year was a last-minute voter or didn’t get around to voting at all, is angry about May 2013.

It’s not about specific rigging allegations or minutiae of ROs and stuffed ballot boxes; it’s a far more basic question that Imran has succeeded in making them wonder about: why should votes — any votes — cast legitimately not be counted?

What is this system which decides that since an overall result was expected anyway, why bother about some people being cheated out of their vote?

That grievance by the new protester is expressed in several ways and it has the power of simplicity, and principle, on its side.

Why do we have elections in the first place, where votes are counted and results tabulated, if it’s already known who’s going to win?

Or: if the PML-N wins a fresh election, so be it, but what’s this business about not being able to ensure that every vote is counted? What kind of democracy is this?

Why, in this day and age, are we to accept a process where some people’s vote gets counted and recorded accurately and others’ not?

And: what is the government afraid of? If they won, then why can’t they just satisfy Imran that they won fair and square?

What’s the harm in doing what Imran asks, the new protester is wondering, especially since everyone agrees that the process was flawed. What great principle is at stake which prevents votes from being recounted?

You can ask this new protester, the one drawn to Imran since the summer, all kinds of things. Was 2002 or 2008 fair? If 2013 was an improvement on 2008 and 2008 an improvement on 2002, then aren’t we at least moving in the right direction?

Is it not obvious that the army has, thanks to the endless protests, reoccupied much of the political space that ought to belong to the civilians? If elections are to be redone just because someone isn’t happy with the result, what kind of precedent would that set?

But the questions are easily deflected. If rigging happened in the past that doesn’t mean it should be ignored today. Demanding fair elections does not mean inviting the army into politics, rather the opposite.

And the kicker, the weapon that the new protester can use to shoot down most questions: Imran is the only one saying this stuff — and that’s why he deserves our support.

Here’s why that’s so potent: it’s true.

Imran may be saying a lot of loopy things, he may come up with kooky ideas galore and he may not have much of a grasp on how to fix things, but in his basic, essential point he is right: the election was not free and fair nor was it completely transparent.

And Imran is the only one who is saying that is unacceptable.

You can explain why a credible and acceptable May 2013 was progress, why democratic disruption may help anti-democratic forces, why Imran didn’t come close to winning, but to those who have heard Imran and absorbed his basic point, how do you explain that tainted is OK, that they should get over it and move on, vote counted or not?

You can’t. Which is why Imran is resonating and there’s more than a trickle of new converts every week.


New converts to Imran - Pakistan - DAWN.COM




Conversion to a cult.

obviously!


But Dharnas were just waste of time and money.

Hope the new converts will realized that in 2018
 
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India ak asa country ha jasay kay orat ko beauty polour ma lay ja kar, koob bano sanghar kya jatah ha ,, pahr wo chahra assal chahray say allag hota ha, ab yai bataien app indian moives our dramas ko india key assal pic mat tasaqar karen wo ak bohot collapses country ha,,,
Social Media ak power ha jis ko istemal ma la kar koi bhai kam laya ja sakta ha...So india lay raha ha app sey....
 
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Ap kahtey ho pakistan ma terrorism kyon han , Kabhai Waziristan kay logg ka hall jana ,, Nehai to ap kabi fair result nehai nakal saktey,,,
Pakistan ma 100% nehai to 95 % terrorism katam kya ja sakta ha,,,as key layay ap ko sirf ak kam karna ho go wo ha ,, Human Rights,, jab ap yai provide karo gey logg terrorism ko kudh nakal panken gee,, magar yai mojay qareeb qareeb nazar nehai aia raha...
Terroism operation kay bad bhai jari rehay ga...kyon kay weak points mojod han,,,, Army har maslay ka hal nehai..
Ap apney mulik kay different cities ka jaiza loo app ko asal chahra nazar aiey ga...
Ya such ha,, jo terrorist pakray gey wo islamic mind they,, magar un ko terrorist kis ney banaya,,, Yai jo liberal terrorist han an ko kon pakray ga joo Billion $ key corruption kartey han,,,
Yai asal point ha jo koi nehai pakrta,, our jo bolta ha ours ko chupp karwa dya jata ha,, kyon kai ak sareef admai kabhi an sey nehai lar sakta..

Hazrat UMAR ( R A ) says

“Sit with those who love Allah, for that enlightens the mind.”
 
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"We should only take the good things from West, our Iman, Cultural values and family system is stronger than them, but their social system is far superiour. Do not follow the west blindly, rather build what has allowed them to become a developed nation." --Imran Khan
I don't know how well this guy can lead a nation, but I do know this, from the way he speaks, his thought process is something that me and the people I know can identify with. I can say that this guy genuinely wants good for his nation and people and will try his best to remove injustice and corruption from the society. Its not an easy task to manage the Pakistani society, its like going through hell because there are so many people (educated and uneducated) who refuse to follow law, make their own rules, etc but this guy have heart and I believe he will do what he can to improve the society.
 
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For living under the umbrella of justice, peace and for other means, it does not need education, education is good but you need one system with out virus of society.. look at china where illiterate peoples struggle as other do and try to achieve education but they never derail coz they follow their norms, so you got money and drinking alcohol or take good thing is only in your hand not in society, so the family is first institute define by sociology, as family as you socialize, now it is only this thing matter how you behave to development or give hand to destruction the social system. Rapid education does not achieve with out year of work & various program establish by UNO like EFA & other programs also failed in reports, so for achieving the development direction you do not need education but good minds. Here one thing is clarifying the strong families provide good generation as one quotation say
" Give me good mother and i will give you good generation".

He only try to adopt the system from west which by principal follow Kulfa Rashda ...
 
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For living under the umbrella of justice, peace and for other means, it does not need education, education is good but you need one system with out virus of society.. look at china where illiterate peoples struggle as other do and try to achieve education but they never derail coz they follow their norms, so you got money and drinking alcohol or take good thing is only in your hand not in society, so the family is first institute define by sociology, as family as you socialize, now it is only this thing matter how you behave to development or give hand to destruction the social system. here one thing is clarifying the strong families provide good generation as one quotation say
" Give me good mother and i will give you good generation".
He only try to adopt the system from west which by principal follow Kulfa Rashda ...

I got lost after "so you got money......" but I think I got what you are trying to say and I agree with that. When I say education, I does not just mean learning science, medical, literature, business,etc. Learning what is right and wrong, how to behave with others, how to talk to others, is also a form of education.
 
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i don't under stand your first line...
i got lost after " So you got money"

I mean I didn't understand " so you got money and drinking alcohol or take good thing is only in your hand not in society " part of your previous post
 
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I mean I didn't understand " so you got money and drinking alcohol or take good thing is only in your hand not in society " part of your previous post


Please take your mutual discussion into personal matters as PM.

This thread is dedicated to rona dhona dharna marna of IK.

Thank you
 
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