PTI's Azadi March 14th August 2014 l Updates and debate.

[Dubious]

bhai why ask someone else i ask you. you are the trolling one i am asking you to provide proof.

but clearly you have none because you are a true PTI troll.

Thank you for showing me you have no answer even for the IDP crying you did....which I tagged you yesterday and again today about! WITH PROOF so we know who the troll is

It is important to keep in mind that, like you said, this rotting away of industry and roads and civil society in Pakistan, has happened gradually over the last several decades. All of it cannot be blamed on the current government, and all of it will not be sorted out by any one government either, no matter how miraculous the claims. We have dug a deep hole for ourselves over time, and we can climb out of it only slowly. But, first, we have to stop digging in even deeper.

Look we have worked on many projects and we have deadlines...many govt have 5 yr deadlines but SS has passed a good 7 yr deadline...how can anyone cover up his ***...Lets not even go to NS!

Lets stick to 7yr old SS...

roads :under him = poor material, no research done on soil, no drainage improvement....

I believe in 7 yrs you should at least have delivered even 1 good sturdy road like that of the motorway which was built with help from the foreigners....While roads built after that was all materials, civil engineers, research budget (if any), drainage provision (if any) all was supposed to go through CM...

The higher up the ladder you are the more responsibility and more you have to answer for...hence getting rid off him should be no. 1 plan! No one builds 1 road for 5 out of 7 yrs in term only for it to be washed away in 3mths! Thats a waste of resources AND money!

 

[VCheng]

Lets stick to 7yr old SS...
roads :under him = poor material, no research done on soil, no drainage improvement....
I believe in 7 yrs you should at least have delivered even 1 good sturdy road like that of the motorway which was built with help from the foreigners....While roads built after that was all materials, civil engineers, research budget (if any), drainage provision (if any) all was supposed to go through CM...
The higher up the ladder you are the more responsibility and more you have to answer for...hence getting rid off him should be no. 1 plan! No one builds 1 road for 5 out of 7 yrs in term only for it to be washed away in 3mths! Thats a waste of resources AND money!

You are choosing to blame only one period in a long and sorry tale of misgovernance due to a selective bias. Things did not get this bad during this period only, and will not get better during any other government in a hurry either.

 

[ice_man]

Thank you for showing me you have no answer even for the IDP crying you did....which I tagged you yesterday and again today about! WITH PROOF so we know who the troll is

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what proof bhai. i asked you where in south punjab are you from. You avoided, secondly i asked you which road in south punjab is broken for 5 years as you claim. that to no answer.

As for IDPs its simple what you posted states that Nawaz said we will not take foreign assistance good. Let Pakistanis handle IDPs.

but then why is Imran concerned about flood victims of Punjab but not concerned about IDPs. bhai please read what you write. before you jump and troll.

 

[Dubious]

You are choosing to blame only one period in a long and sorry tale of misgovernance due to a selective bias. Things did not get this bad during this period only, and will not get better during any other government in a hurry either.

I am not talking about roads which were built before PMLN rule , why coz many though with portholes are still sanding while NS roads have formed blackholes in 3mths!!!!!

Why should I blame 3mths to a whole decade?

what proof bhai. i asked you where in south punjab are you from. You avoided, secondly i asked you which road in south punjab is broken for 5 years as you claim. that to no answer.

I am soo sorry for your lack of understanding ...I even hinted it ...

Jo kameena 5 yrs mein 1 kaam nai kerkay giyea uskay liyea 70 dishes? WOW! only you can cry for such politics!

 

[VCheng]

I am not talking about roads which were built before PMLN rule , why coz many though with portholes are still sanding while NS roads have formed blackholes in 3mths!!!!!

Why should I blame 3mths to a whole decade?

While you are correct that roadbuilding is generally of a poor quality, road breakdown is due to local usage and conditions too. It is not correct to generalize like you seem to be doing here.

 

[Dubious]

As for IDPs its simple what you posted states that Nawaz said we will not take foreign assistance good. Let Pakistanis handle IDPs.

Haan tou handle kero naa...why blame IK for it ...FATA is under NS!

but then why is Imran concerned about flood victims of Punjab but not concerned about IDPs. bhai please read what you write. before you jump and troll.

He already opened an account for IDP when NS was blushing to receive aid for them...even when it was not IK's job...

So next he is helping Punjab...you got a problem with that?

Ask NS apna kaam ker ...sahi ker kaam choroun ki terhan naa ker!

 

[VCheng]

Haan tou handle kero naa...why blame IK for it ...FATA is under NS!

FATA is under direct Army control.

 

[Dubious]

While you are correct that roadbuilding is generally of a poor quality, road breakdown is due to local usage and conditions too. It is not correct to generalize like you seem to be doing here.

Well, I wasnt born 60 yrs ago...so I dont know how soon their roads made a blackhole...
I dont know how fast their railway went bankrupt
I did however see the funeral for PIA

FATA is under direct Army control.

Uncle even Wiki says you are lying:

The Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA; Pashto: وسطي قبایلي سیمې، منځنۍ پښتونخوا‎; Urdu: قبائلی علاقہ جات‎) is a semi-autonomous tribal region in northwesternPakistan, bordering Pakistan's provinces of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan to the east and south, and Afghanistan's provinces of Kunar, Nangarhar, Paktia, Khostand Paktika to the west and north. The Federally Administered Tribal Areas comprise seven tribal agencies (districts) and six frontier regions, and are directly governed by Pakistan's federal government through a special set of laws called the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR).


The region is controlled by the Federal government of Pakistan and on behalf of the President, the Governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly NWFP) exercises the federal authority in the context of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

 

[VCheng]

Well, I wasnt born 60 yrs ago...so I dont know how soon their roads made a blackhole...
I dont know how fast their railway went bankrupt
I did however see the funeral for PIA


Uncle even Wiki says you are lying:

The Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA; Pashto: وسطي قبایلي سیمې، منځنۍ پښتونخوا‎; Urdu: قبائلی علاقہ جات‎) is a semi-autonomous tribal region in northwesternPakistan, bordering Pakistan's provinces of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan to the east and south, and Afghanistan's provinces of Kunar, Nangarhar, Paktia, Khostand Paktika to the west and north. The Federally Administered Tribal Areas comprise seven tribal agencies (districts) and six frontier regions, and are directly governed by Pakistan's federal government through a special set of laws called the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR).

The region is controlled by the Federal government of Pakistan and on behalf of the President, the Governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly NWFP) exercises the federal authority in the context of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

My opinions are based in a much longer experience of how things work (or don't) in Pakistan. And that includes FATA: Right now, it is under total Army control. The federal or Provincial governments having nothing to do with it except in the notional sense that is mentioned on Wikipedia. There is a total news and media blackout too, for this reason, except for approved and planted coverage.

 

[Dubious]

what proof bhai. i asked you where in south punjab are you from. You avoided, secondly i asked you which road in south punjab is broken for 5 years as you claim. that to no answer.

As for IDPs its simple what you posted states that Nawaz said we will not take foreign assistance good. Let Pakistanis handle IDPs.

but then why is Imran concerned about flood victims of Punjab but not concerned about IDPs. bhai please read what you write. before you jump and troll.

our ex- MNAs 3 from PPP 3 from PMLN....so cake shared equally in corruption?

Current 1 from 5 is from PTI...

My opinions are based in a much longer experience of how things work (or don't) in Pakistan. And that includes FATA: Right now, it is under total Army control. The federal or Provincial governments having nothing to do with it except in the notional sense that is mentioned on Wikipedia. There is a total news and media blackout too, for this reason, except for approved and planted coverage.

So when was the last time you visited FATA?

Like you demand about black and white...well on paper it is Federal responsibility no matter how you see it

As per your phobia of the army...please see a specialist - genuine care intended

Uncle if anyone could decode how things worked or not....I am sure there would be more people on the streets and it would have started decades ago not now...

 

[Marshmallow]

FATA is under direct Army control.

Han Sara Kuch Army Pi Daal Dain...The funds allocation is by Federal Government and certain policies can only be made by them...Army cant play Administrative Role!

 

[VCheng]

Han Sara Kuch Army Pi Daal Dain...The funds allocation is by Federal Government and certain policies can only be made by them...Army cant play Administrative Role!

What is happening in FATA right now is totally under Army control.

 

[Jzaib]

 

[VCheng]

So when was the last time you visited FATA?
Like you demand about black and white...well on paper it is Federal responsibility no matter how you see it
As per your phobia of the army...please see a specialist - genuine care intended

On "paper", lots of things are true, for example the COAS is constitutionally subordinate to the PM, but we all know how well that works in Pakistan too.

My comments about the Army are correct.

 

[Ahmad1996]

While you are correct that roadbuilding is generally of a poor quality, road breakdown is due to local usage and conditions too. It is not correct to generalize like you seem to be doing here.

Most roads were broken down or sinkholes formed due to not doing soil research and majority of our government folks forgetting that in some places in Pakistan soil is lose and can give away due to rain. This is a common thing you should see the roads built by army in Jehlum and the ones by the government then you will understand it better or just see the ones in Rawalpindi.