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Guss what?
He should take out his MIANWALLI Sandles , & should beat the hell out of mote carlo justice mafia chief?
Less then that, I am not happy?

He should also take out his Mianwali brains which at the moment is not working.

You want him disqualified then how is he going to be PM. Poor guy has been running from pillar to post for the last 18 years just to become PM. He has not become U Turn Khan just in one night you know.
 
He should also take out his Mianwali brains which at the moment is not working.

You want him disqualified then how is he going to be PM. Poor guy has been running from pillar to post for the last 18 years just to become PM. He has not become U Turn Khan just in one night you know.
With all of his u-turns he us still standing there?
Well when lawyers & politicians were doing illegal protests against musharaf govt, non of the so called, god of justice , woken up? Why?
If that was right, then it's also right!
 
With all of his u-turns he us still standing there?
Well when lawyers & politicians were doing illegal protests against musharaf govt, non of the so called, god of justice , woken up? Why?
If that was right, then it's also right!

Protesting is not illegal. Every person has the right to protest.

It is the demands that are not legal. He should have accepted government offer when all except one of his demands were agreed by the government.

Now it is personal fight between three persons.
 
Protesting is not illegal. Every person has the right to protest.

It is the demands that are not legal. He should have accepted government offer when all except one of his demands were agreed by the government.

Now it is personal fight between three persons.

All of Imran Khan's demand are met but resignation of Noora. Now its personal issue between the sides that would eventually lead to civil war.
 
All of Imran Khan's demand are met but resignation of Noora. Now its personal issue between the sides that would eventually lead to civil war.

There won't be civil war. There have been worst political deadlocks then this one and civil war did not happen. It won't happen this time too.
 
The tamasha in Islamabad
By Ashraf Jehangir Qazi
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The writer is a former ambassador to the US, India and China.
HOW should we view the goings-on in Islamabad? Low comedy and high farce? A national disgrace? A serious breakdown of governance? A critical opportunity? The start of a real transition towards better governance and more genuine democracy? Or preparing the ground for another decade of open or de facto military rule? Some analysts suggest all these views are valid to one degree or another, except that it is not clear what the outcome will be.

Nawaz Sharif is seen by many as a three-time elected prime minister who must be allowed to complete his tenure if democracy in Pakistan is not to be derailed yet again. His record of governance may be patchy. But he has only completed 15 months of a five-year mandate. Moreover, governance is always a learning process and democracy is always a work in progress. As Bill Clinton said in his address to Pakistanis during his brief stopover in Islamabad in 2000, imperfect democracy needs to be addressed through better democracy, not the suspension of democracy. Gen Musharraf argued he was a better democrat than the politicians.

The Constitution of Pakistan, however, explicitly excludes unconstitutional and undemocratic interventions to resolve political challenges facing the country. Those of this view might approvingly refer to Bertolt Brecht’s play The Life of Galileo in which Andrea says, “Unhappy the land that has no heroes” to which Galileo replies, “Unhappy the land that needs heroes”. Nawaz Sharif supporters might also quote Aneurin Bevan’s description of a political opponent as “suffering from petrified adolescence”.

Many who are aware of Imran Khan’s shortcomings as a political leader see him as an important transition figure.
According to this view, both Imran Khan and Allama Tahirul Qadri are endangering constitutional democracy and the economic development of Pakistan through their “antics”. They are also making a spectacle of themselves and of the country through their politics of anger and frustration. Their escalating and shifting demands, accompanied by a range of threats, only confirm their hunger for power at any cost to the nation. This is the essence of fascism rather than democracy. It represents an entire negation of the Quaid’s philosophy of political agitation which rested on an uncompromising respect for constitutional procedures and an emphatic rejection of Gandhi’s calls for civil disobedience.

According to Noam Chomsky there is a “commonsense” or dictionary meaning of democracy and a contrasting “doctrinal or real world” meaning of democracy”.

According to the commonsense or dictionary meaning, “roughly speaking, a society is democratic to the extent that people in it have meaningful opportunities to take part in the formation of public policy. There are a lot of different ways in which that can be true. But insofar as it is true, the society is democratic.”

The “real world,” (indeed we may say traditional Pakistani) meaning has been “a top-down democracy that leaves traditional structures of power in effective control”. Chomsky adds “if segments of the public depart from their apathy and begin to organise and enter the public arena that, according to those in control, is not democracy. Rather it is a ‘crisis’ of democracy”.

Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri, according to their supporters and sympathisers represent an aspiration for “commonsense” democracy which empowers and liberates the common man.

Nawaz Sharif and his ilk, in this view, represent “traditional power structure” democracy; in other words, crony and phony democracy that has been manifest in the worst ever governance in Pakistan’s history. This is rule by money and power including the criminal abuse of constitutional authority. This excludes the prospect of real movement towards any kind of inclusive or “commonsense” democracy. According to this view, both protagonists of “commonsense democracy” (some would argue Imran more than Qadri) represent the only hope for Pakistan to avoid descending into the realm of state failure.

Many who are deeply aware of Imran’s shortcomings as a political leader, including his exaggerated and empty posturing in recent days, see him as a vitally important transition figure. His contribution has been to make the people aware of their rights and their potential to organise and sustain a multi-layered struggle on behalf of “commonsense” democracy and inclusive and consultative governance. This is the only way to prioritise the agendas of the people rather than those of their exploiters who rule them in the name of “doctrinal” or “constitutional” democracy.

Moreover, Imran’s supporters argue he has a “vision” for Pakistan for which he has stood up whereas Nawaz Sharif stands for no vision at all except power, pelf and privilege for himself and his family. They might approve of two biblical sayings: “where there is no vision, the people perish” and possibly also, “great men are not always wise”.

So where are we headed and what can we hope for? We need first to be clear. Nawaz Sharif would not accept that he represents “traditional power structure” democracy and that his governance is beyond redemption. Nor is it clear that Imran Khan has the leadership qualities embodied in the Arab proverb, “it is the tribe that tells the chief how to do his job”.

He has to broaden his focus beyond Nawaz Sharif without compromising his core demands. He should avoid off-the-cuff public statements that embarrass his supporters. He should accept that a Supreme Court appointed judicial commission will be able to act very independently of a battered and weakened Nawaz Sharif, especially if the FIRs concerning the Model Town massacre are registered against the accused.

At a critical time before the elections of 2013 Imran Khan switched from leading a national movement for radical reform of the political system to leading a party for electoral success. He did very well in the elections. But not as well as he expected. Significant if not game-changing fraud may have been involved. We should soon find out. Even significant fraud if established will compel Nawaz Sharif’s resignation and a fresh poll. Whether Imran wins or loses a fresh poll he can decide how to restore his national movement for commonsense democracy which he unwisely put on the backburner.

The writer is a former ambassador to the US, India and China.

Published in Dawn, August 26th, 2014
 
Is PTI above the law that decisions of the Supreme Court do not apply to it? And these are the people we can trust to make Pakistan a better place?


SC decision to vacate Constitution Ave not applicable on PTI: Imran | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

QUOTE: "Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan said on Tuesday that the decision of the Supreme Court to vacate Constitution Avenue was not applicable on his party." /QUOTE

Not applicable because they are not on constitutional avenue :p:
 
I completely support ISI taking over and hanging corrupt politicians, burykats and jernails. ISI has to clean its mess within the ranks and in the country.

If both PMLN and PTI cannot find common ground, even though PMLN agreed with all the conditions except one is good result anyone would take except Imran Khan, then Army takeover should be on the card to end on-going comical democratic affairs. Because of PTI-PAT Azadi march, Pakistan economy has suffered more than 500 billion rupees and counting as the march continues to live putting great strain on the fragile economy.

Let Army takeover. They have done damage already. Even PTI march cannot cash for what it has caused Pakistani economy to suffer.
 
Is PTI above the law that decisions of the Supreme Court do not apply to it? And these are the people we can trust to make Pakistan a better place?


SC decision to vacate Constitution Ave not applicable on PTI: Imran | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

QUOTE: "Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan said on Tuesday that the decision of the Supreme Court to vacate Constitution Avenue was not applicable on his party." /QUOTE
Sure if SC still unable to see 14 innocent people's been murdered in model town, & Thier FIR still been blocked , no action from SC make this SC! The ultimate puppet of the Noora king, so obeying this Facit court is no option?
It has lost its writ, just like this govt ?
Morality is not with both of them?

An article by Javed Chaudhry. Unfortunately it is in urdu:

مبارک ہو – ایکسپریسس اردو
Sure sir Syed ahmed khan, reborn?
Paid media dogs?

An article by Javed Chaudhry. Unfortunately it is in urdu:

مبارک ہو – ایکسپریسس اردو
Sure sir Syed ahmed khan, reborn?
If they are not on the road subject to the SC order, then it is perfectly fine by me.
Fine by you or not ?
People's on the streets , has Thier own laws?
 
If both PMLN and PTI cannot find common ground, even though PMLN agreed with all the conditions except one is good result anyone would take except Imran Khan, then Army takeover should be on the card to end on-going comical democratic affairs. .

No. If we allow the thugs to bring down the govt now then there is no end to these kinds of blackmail in future. The cost to the economy in future will be far worse and repeated if Pakistanis get into acceptance mode of being blackmailed.
 
No. If we allow the thugs to bring down the govt now then there is no end to these kinds of blackmail in future. The cost to the economy in future will be far worse and repeated if Pakistanis get into acceptance mode of being blackmailed.

Aren't we in that dark place already given the history?
 
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Roti Kapra tay Makan aaa,
tera kidar teyaan aa,
Imran tay Qadri chalaan marday,
Nawaz Bohat Preshan aaa
 
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