PTI was Danger to Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn't survive with them : General Bajwa

[blain2]

I don’t think the issue is whether Gen B made the right call - nor is the argument if PTI didn’t mess up. Frankly neither does Gen B have the constitutional authority to make that decision nor is he in all his experience qualified to make decisions on the economy- nor does the institution have a track record of good decisions on either governance or economics .. NOR is it expected of them to do so BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR JOB.

There is a whole chicken and egg debate into who started interfering into someone else’s job but if this cultural aspect of Pakistanis interfering in another job was removed you would solve a lot of problems

Please see post #67 on this same thread.

 

[Riz]

Sara kasoor is jhandy k anadar waly dandy ka ha

 

[VCheng]

Perhaps the upside is that the nation won't tolerate any more engineering. That is good for Pakistan's democracy.

That is a mighty big assumption, Sir.

 

[villageidiot]

LOL. I am not the topic of this thread.

I'll never understand your obsession with the topic of the thread.

I don't think we have to write a thesis on the first post of the thread. There's only so much opinion one can give on a Javed ch. article. At some point, the conversation goes beyond the original question asked. and I don't you'd want me to create a new thread just for this last question.

If you're wondering what my motive is, I am just interested to know who I am conversing with and what their POV is, where they are coming from. I am fine with disagreement but you wouldn't find me arguing with our resident patwari muhammad hafeez malik because I think he's one dimensional character who brings nothing new to the discussion.

So, what is it that about ol Pakistan that keeps you at night (or whatever time it is over there)

 

[Ssan]

tbh I think he's changed the country. We won't see the effects for some years or even decades. But as of today, no one (among the public) will stand against you if you criticize the army, judiciary, or politicians. This, in itself, is huge.

Now, imagine you're Awami National League and you push for a nationalist agenda for KP. Is the public really going to disagree with you? Sure, the establishment might step in with brute force, but that'll create fuel for another 1971. Yes, you'll run into debates and stuff with people who still want Pakistan, but the latter don't have a leg to stand on under the status quo.

Then, on the other end of the spectrum, you have the radical Islamists who want to uproot the entire establishment -- people and institutions. It's the same reality. If they say, "Pakistan's institutions are illegitimate," what are you going to tell them when you have the supporters of every mainstream party saying the same thing when their guy (IK, NS, AZ) is getting booked?

Sure, these actors won't matter for some years, but until this point, it was the bare minimum legitimacy of the establishment (carried by the Army) that kept them out of mainstream political discourse. However, Bajwa has destroyed the wall keeping them out, and our people are going to change what they believe over the coming years, and that'll manifest in major political change.

We have a crap economy. We have zero trust in our institutions. And, to top it all off, the likes of Bajwa, PDM, PTI, etc, keep throwing fuel to the fire and give us all even more cause to hate the status quo. Unfortunately, when it comes to well-defined solutions, there are only 2 entities that are offering a substantive vision (for good or bad), the Provincialists and the Islamists.

The provincialists, the islamists and PTI.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I can’t believe the shit I’m reading on this thread.

This place hosts Pakistan’s best and brightest btw… lmfao

 

[VCheng]

I'll never understand your obsession with the topic of the thread.

If you have been sanctioned and banned as many times as I have been in the past based on such grave violations of PDF rules, selectively applied of course, then you would understand. I am not going there again.

 

[Riz]

they were neutrals?

 

[VCheng]

I am just interested to know who I am conversing with and what their POV is, where they are coming from.

Just ask the many here who know me already (offline, please), and my PsOV are clearly described here.

 

[TheSolution]

IMO the biggest threat to Pakistan was for the Pakistani public to see the PTI gov't fail by the end of its term. If seeing that, then they'd lose all hope in any of the mainstream parties and institutions.

However, Bajwa accelerated that entire process by a few years, maybe even several decades. Therefore, Bajwa actually did a favour because he got us to the inevitable sooner, hence forcing us to discuss solutions earlier.

Bajwa the Itachi playing 5G warfare chess.

/s

Bajwa playing chess while we were playing checkers.

He took one for the team and pulled a 200 IQ move and took all public hate for the greater good of Pakistan.

This is all his plan to force reforms in Pakistan.

Bajwa Zindabad.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I can’t believe the shit I’m reading on this thread.

This place hosts Pakistan’s best and brightest btw… lmfao

I mean c'mon dude
that's a stretch... lmao

 

[Thinker3]

Regime Change has been proven by what bajwa said that Imran Khan was a threat for Pakistan, because Pakistani establishment are bunch of cowards who are afraid to make USA angry, and they think if Pakistan will make US angry then Pakistan will be no more, this also proves that they are slaves of US and cannot do anything against US's will and can do nothing in Pakistani interest if US does not allow.
This is the difference between these generals and Imran Khan as Imran khan was only afraid of Allah and wanted to make Pakistan a free and dignified country which puts its national interests first, which cares for its people , a strong, independent and prosperous country respected worldwide and is not just a cheap hired gun of US.

 

[PakFactor]

I have repeated it and will repeat it: at times, the military must learn how to shut up and not speak. This should be a class taught at Pakistan Military Academy. Why keep directing fire at yourself?

 

[Thinker3]

I have repeated it and will repeat it: at times, the military must learn how to shut up and not speak. This should be a class taught at Pakistan Military Academy. Why keep directing fire at yourself?

They do all the stuff they haven't been taught and don't do the stuff they were taught and trained to do.

 

[VCheng]

the military must learn how to shut up and not speak.

But still do what it has always done. Got it.