Procurement of new aircraft in PAF

[Hellfire]

Amazingly the responsible number 1 for that international isolation and current financial situation are political governments. Where watching them brought us to this disaster Defense Establishment is the 2nd responsible.

Defense Establishment of America will not let Donald Trump sell US sovereignty to anyone. This 2nd line of core defense actually protecting any country. We as a Pakistani do worries about Pakistan but this is not enough.

Thanks to those who did fight for nation to get us Jf-17 so we have something. This is business oriented world and honestly speaking we have no money to buy what we need or not able enough in diplomatic relations to get brake through easily. (Thanks to everyone responsible)

Why should Russia think about giving us SU-35, they have good relations with India and many ongoing defense projects which is worth more than the business Pakistan possibly can offer. Problem with India means many Russian defense projects can be halt.

JF-17 Block III is the only possible answer. TFX is possible but far. Getting fighter is not big deal but keeping it up it effectively in war is another. So there is no guaranty in case of war we be able to maintain the aircraft. How long we can use F-16 in case of war. everybody knows.

Desperate time needs desperate measures.
Sorry to get emotional but I feel this is truth at this point of time. Long live Pakistan.

Again IMO PAF would do well to develop JF-17 further. It makes more sense for PAF to continue it's R&D with or without Chinese participation or support, towards integration of better avionics and munitions and 'evolve' the fighter for it's specific needs.

Even if PAF is to field platforms without long range, an adequate force level will ensure the primary tasking of PAF, defence/denial of use of Pakistani airspace to intruding enemy aircraft, CAS to own troops in own airspace adequately covered by an AD screen and stand off targeting from protected airspace against massed armoured/mechanised formations ahead of DCB.

No potential war (if at all) between India and Pakistan will last beyond 72 hours before overwhelming pressure will mount to cease and return to status quo. Notwithstanding the rhetoric on either side here, that remains a hard fact.

IMO, seeing the financial state of Pakistan (and Pakistan needs funds for it's own WoT), the aforementioned thought may be best suited in near to medium term for PAF till as such time there is an upswing in economy.

Fan boys might be disappointed but if the JF-17 Block III are 80% as effective as the SU-30s & Rafael, PAF is in a very good position if you factor in all the force multipliers like AWACS & ground air Defence it has been recently investing in.

Ditto. I do not foresee any requirement of PAF to match IAF. They can, as a interim, focus on replacing all F-7s with JF-17s and developing the latter as a stop gap and in adequate numbers to be able to control their airspace and deny intruding aircraft a free run. If they can field adequate number of platforms, the number of IAF squadrons as expected over next few years will be at a level wherein JF-17 and F-16s will be able to hold till the 5th Gen comes in.

Im just wondering that whenever an air warfare scenario is discussed why is the idea of using SSW or similar operators for conducting pre emptive raids on enemy installations is never discussed.
This way we would be delivering a devastating blow to the enemy before enemy birds even take to the skies.

Because, frankly, those days of surprise air raids are long gone. And as of today, India does have significant advantages in terms of Surveillance for Aircraft detection off PAF bases.

 

[CriticalThought]

I agree that j20 is our best bet but availblity of same is question mark ... Regarding war expenses ... With people like modi we have only 2 options either to accept indian hegony and become another bangladesh ... We will be forced to do whatever india want and our water will be diverted so a slower death but eventually we will be a satellite state ... Other option is to keep on building minimum deterrence for which we need to build economy ...

With people like modi jn power there is no mutual co existence ... Another solution could be resolving kashmir issue by accepting line of control but anyone doing that has to face alot of criticisim and politicians of both countries do not have courage to take the right decision furthermore people like modi cannot tolerate independent Pakistan

What are you blabbering?

 

[Gryphon]

February 3, 2015

"The Ra'ad has been tested on the Mirage III strike aircraft, but it is unknown if it has been integrated onto Pakistan's F-16s.

Tufail said it is more likely the JF-17 will be the next delivery platform."

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2015/02/03/pakistan-tests-cruise-missile/

Not with the current size of Raad.

 

[The Accountant]

What are you blabbering?

I am saying that what are the probable solutions of issues between India and Pakistan ? One could be to accept LOC as permanent border and close this point of contention once and for all ... We know that Kashmir cannot be liberated in near and medium term future, may be in long term future it would have been possible with any sensible Indian gov which is highly unlikely ... Option to get Kashmir with fighting is long gone since both India and Pakistan are nuclear nation and the moment it comes to get Kashmir with force nukes will come into play ... Indians will never let it go with peace then lets close it by accepting LOC as border ...

 

[Gryphon]

Well, they were shared by @The SC And 'Raad lite' is not Raad. Its something completely different, possibly a repackaged SOM for export, keeping in mind the limitations of MTCR. This is per @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

It was just an opinion suggesting development of 'Raad Lite' by reducing the warhead size by 150 Kg, among other improvements.

Raad on JF-17 pictures/brochures are all fake.

And, no current or near future arrangement with Turks is in place to offer SOM to export customers.

 

[New World]

(freeing the F-16s and Typhoons to go farther)

Is Typhoon is selected by PAF?

 

[Khadim e Darul Ehsaan]

It was just an opinion suggesting development of 'Raad Lite' by reducing the warhead size by 150 Kg, among other improvements.

Raad on JF-17 pictures/brochures are all fake.

And, no current or near future arrangement with Turks is in place to offer SOM to export customers.

Even if thy made lighter raad jf17 will only be able to carry under its wings bcz under belly it have vry low ground clearance so for any mission jf17 will have to carry two raads under each wing even if one is enough thats y in my opinion raad thickness dimension should be decreased also to a significant level to carry it under fuselage along with weight reduction

 

[CriticalThought]

I am saying that what are the probable solutions of issues between India and Pakistan ? One could be to accept LOC as permanent border and close this point of contention once and for all ... We know that Kashmir cannot be liberated in near and medium term future, may be in long term future it would have been possible with any sensible Indian gov which is highly unlikely ... Option to get Kashmir with fighting is long gone since both India and Pakistan are nuclear nation and the moment it comes to get Kashmir with force nukes will come into play ... Indians will never let it go with peace then lets close it by accepting LOC as border ...

The word 'solution' for agreement on LoC is poisonous. The real word is 'treason'. I don't know about Indians letting anything go, but Pakistanis seem very willing to sell their mothers. Duh.

 

[Centurion2016]

[QUOTE="The Accountant,

With people like modi jn power there is no mutual co existence ... Another solution could be resolving kashmir issue by accepting line of control but anyone doing that has to face alot of criticisim and politicians of both countries do not have courage to take the right decision furthermore people like modi cannot tolerate independent Pakistan[/QUOTE]


Modi has been Indian leader for five minutes.

The indo pak stand off is 70 years old.

As for becoming Bangladesh well they are doing very well so stop try one to belittle them. They have bigger forex reserves than Pakistan and soon larger gdp a fact most Pakistanis will be astonished to learn

They are flying as a economy and much more stable nation

 

[salarsikander]

They are flying as a economy and much more stable nation

Which is why you live inuk and find pride in showing British flag as yours ?
The very same people who anally raped your ancestors eh?

 

[YeBeWarned]

It doesn't work like that. Raad primarily has a nuclear fission warhead.

The warhead weight of SOM is 230 Kg. The warhead of Raad reportedly weighs 450 Kg.

Now, if you want a 'Raad Lite', you must first have a nuclear warhead <300 Kg in weight. Nasr, Babur and Raad all have larger warheads (400 Kg +). If Pakistan is able to miniaturize a nuclear device furthur, there will be a corresponding decrease in the yield.

However, I am hopeful that Raad 2 uses more efficient (and smaller) engine + fuel which has increased its range and possibly reduced its size .

@CriticalThought

Were you not talk about a conventional stand off weapon ? Raad is too heavy for jf to carry for long range strikes ,SOM will fit the bill . if turks let us integrated on jf-17

 

[Centurion2016]

Which is why you live inuk and find pride in showing British flag as yours ?
The very same people who anally raped your ancestors eh?

Irrelevant post to my observation of Bangladesh economy to Pakistan and current growth trajectory

 

[salarsikander]

Irrelevant post to my observation of Bangladesh economy to Pakistan and current growth trajectory

Lol, irrelevant to a an Indian who shamefully displaying British flags his own. In fact you're not the first. Read my signature I confronted one f your kind here in PDF as well.

 

[The Accountant]

The word 'solution' for agreement on LoC is poisonous. The real word is 'treason'. I don't know about Indians letting anything go, but Pakistanis seem very willing to sell their mothers. Duh.

So you want to keep Kashmiri's getting killed desperately ? We know at this point of time Kashmir cannot be liberated without a nuclear war ,,, I am suggesting this not for any economic benefit and nor I am afraid for my life but it is about life of innocent Kashmiris ...

Anyways, thats just my opinion however, the decision belongs to Kashmiris not to me and you ...

However, this is very rude of you to call it a treason ... If you dont agree to particular opinion it doesnt mean that other is traitor ...

 

[Gryphon]

Were you not talk about a conventional stand off weapon ? Raad is too heavy for jf to carry for long range strikes ,SOM will fit the bill . if turks let us integrated on jf-17

A cheaper alternative to ALCMs in conventional role are SOW's like Denel Raptor III (range <= 300 km). PAF is already using Raptor I (H-2) and Raptor II (H-4) which are manufactured under license in Pakistan.

Raad was developed primarily for nuclear role (with Mirages). Do you think Pakistan can't develop a conventional ALCM (for JF-17s) with 230 Kg warhead ?

Whether Pakistan can produce such small nuclear warheads is another question.