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"Poverty ****" on Indian Reality TV?

Poverty TV is a necessary tool for recognizing the seriousness of the problem, and for taking action to fix the problem.

Unfortunately, the extreme negative reaction by the Indian posters here contradicts the hope expressed in my post that "the popularity of reality TV shows depicting Indian poverty is a sign of a maturing society that recognizes the depth and breadth of extreme deprivation in economically resurgent India. And I hope this recognition will spur a more serious effort to alleviate the suffering of the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterate people. "

It's a real shame.

For those of you interested, let me share with you excerpts from the WSJ story:

Ms. Mehta, the TV executive, recalls a scene she will never forget involving Siddhartha Khanna, 25, heir to a real-estate empire who admits he leaves his clothes where he drops them and has never cleared up a cup of tea. One of Mr. Khanna's tasks was to clean up cow dung with his bare hands, a chore he tackled without complaint. The points he earned -- which translated into 200,000 rupees ($4,350) -- would go toward helping his slum partner, Samir Pagare, set up an event-management company.

Siddhartha Khanna, heir to a real-estate empire, won the 'Big Switch' contest by doing such things as cleaning up cow dung with his hands.

"I did it because I wanted to help Samir, to give him hope. I want this program to build bridges, to make young Indians realize they can do a lot to help the poor realize their dreams," says Mr. Khanna, who went on to win the contest for his partner.

In India, the rich and poor rarely cross paths. More than 80% of people live on 20 rupees a day (43 U.S. cents) or less. Of the country's 1.17 billion population, less than 1% earns more than 85,000 rupees ($1,850) a month. On "Big Switch," many of the rich participants earn more than that. And some of the highest earners among the slum dwellers pulled in about 5,000 to 7,000 rupees ($109 to $152 a month).

Slum dweller Abhishek Kushwah, 24, wants to be a chef. He grew up in Mumbai's Dharavi, India's largest slum, in one room with his parents and two brothers. They share a single toilet with 60 families. Says Mr. Kushwah. "I'd thought the super rich were lazy and selfish but my partner put in a lot of effort to help me."

On the first day of shooting last October on the "Big Switch" set, the two sides viewed one another warily. Their first impressions were revealing. Most of the slum dwellers were overwhelmed at simply being addressed politely.

"I never dreamed that the rich could be so nice," says Ms. Gaekwad.

The second reaction was shock. "Dreamer" Neelam Dumbre, 18, gasped when she heard her rich partner, Bindi Mehta, a researcher with a television news channel, talk about her closets full of outfits that cost 40,000 rupees (about $870) each. Another slum dweller was speechless when her rich counterpart showed her the 110 pairs of shoes she'd brought for the duration of the show. And then there was Sunny Sara, a 28-year-old nightclub owner in Mumbai, who unpacked 60 T-shirts. "I had no idea the rich were so rich," says Ms. Dumbre.

"Slumdog Millionaire" inspired the creators of "Big Switch," but given the controversy that erupted in India over its graphic depiction of poverty, UTV Bindaas channel head Heather Gupta, a British national who moved to Mumbai six years ago, was determined to avoid any hint of "condescension or using the poor participants as circus freaks."

"We're not blaming the rich for anything, but we want to jolt them into paying some attention to poverty," says Ms. Gupta. It is very easy in India, she adds, to become inured to the plight of the poor.

Model and budding actor Adam Bedi, 26, says he was filled with admiration for the resilience, drive and resourcefulness of the slum dwellers. "They just get on with their lives without moaning about everything they haven't got," he says. "They really impressed me."

Ms. Suri, the former beauty queen, described the experience as humbling. "These conditions are a daily reality for millions and yet, in their struggle to survive, they manage to be cheerful and dignified."

The chasm between the two sides reopened on the last day of shooting in early December. The rich kids were impatient to get home, desperate for a hot bath and good food. The poor dragged their feet; the dormitory, bare as it was, was more spacious than any of the slums they had lived in. As everyone packed, declarations of undying friendship were made amid hugs, displays of genuine affection and exchanging of numbers.

Two weeks later, back in their respective milieus, many of the participants say they talk to one another on the phone occasionally. But once the common link of being on the show has gone, what connection will remain, and for how long?

Ms. Gaekwad has no illusions. "On the show the rich were great. But if I walk out on the road now and try to speak to a rich person, they won't respond," she says.



Reality Bites - WSJ.com
 
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"Shining" India is home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterate people, according to United Nations data.

In India, the rich and poor rarely cross paths. More than 80% of people live on 20 rupees a day (43 U.S. cents) or less. Of the country's 1.17 billion population, less than 1% earns more than 85,000 rupees ($1,850) a month. On "Big Switch," many of the rich participants earn more than that. And some of the highest earners among the slum dwellers pulled in about 5,000 to 7,000 rupees ($109 to $152 a month).

Reality Bites - WSJ.com

as far as it remains as criticism we can take it bcoz it improves us and also we are a developing nation not a developed nation.also we are working to reduce poverty. before criticizing others check your self. only then your point will be even considered.

if you were to blame then wait till we become a developed nation which we set as 2020.
 
well india has huge population thts why in term of number we are behind pakistan but if u talk about percentage so india is more develop than pakistan .....

some main points that verify my post .

As of 2007, Pakistan's Human Development Index (HDI) is 0.572, higher than that of nearby Bangladesh's 0.543, which was formerly a part of the country itself. Pakistan's HDI still stands lower than that of neighbouring India's at 0.612

According to the Human Development Index (HDI), 60.3% of Pakistan's population lives on under $2 a day, compared to 75.6% in nearby India and 81.3% in nearby Bangladesh,[9] and some 22.6% live under $1 a day, compared to 41.6% in India and 49.6% in Bangladesh

please go and check wiki and type poverty in pakistan
as i m new here so cant provide any link here
 
The problem is if you hide your poverty like China for the world media, then they will have human right groups and other countries coming after you shouting that India is not a democracy and what not.

However if poverty is there for all to see then you will have people like Mr. Riaz who will earn a living writing anti-india blogs.

There is problem both ways. :hitwall:


Thanks for your concern regarding our serious poverty problem in a thread thats had nothing to do with China, anyways everybody knew we don't belong to the same league, so enjoy your baseless rants.

China, NVP Year 2009

Since 1978, mainly relying on its own efforts and the policy of reform and opening-up, China has accelerated development and reduced its population in absolute poverty from 250 million to 15 million; Instituted a system of free nine-year compulsory education throughout the country, especially in rural areas; and set up a new rural cooperative medical care system supported by Government investment among China's 800 million peasants. :partay:
China / Policies

May be its time for you to do some serious house cleaning instead of throwing loads of garbage around.
Extreme Poverty and Hunger in India :argh:
 
the fact cannot be denied that poverty has become global issue.but in south asia particularly is india and pakistan, it has becoming more worse.now my question is that, why we are discussing about the facts and figures although it is the time to give proper suggestion and recommendation to the our governments so that this sky rocketing poverty issue could be decreased and poor will be freed from the problem.

plz do post your own opinion about controlling this problem.
 
The problem is if you hide your poverty like China for the world media, then they will have human right groups and other countries coming after you shouting that India is not a democracy and what not.

However if poverty is there for all to see then you will have people like Mr. Riaz who will earn a living writing anti-india blogs.

There is problem both ways. :hitwall:

China is not in the same league with India. China is far better in all sectors when compared to India. :china:
 
Another toilet, Latrine, poverty, pathological lairs and ugly looking Indian thread! :argh::argh::undecided::undecided: Riaz go get some life man, you living in California with the most liberal chicks around, get hooked to someone and write about your heavenly experiences with her!

I think more than Indian obsessing with Pakistanis it's just the other way around and also Chinese want to be Indians after reading what they write in Indian centric threads :yahoo::yahoo:
 
The number of poor is multiplying along with the number of billionaires. Growth does not reflect the widening disparities.

There is something terribly wrong with growth economics. After all, 18 years after India ushered in economic liberalisation, the promise of high growth to reduce poverty and hunger has not worked. In fact, it has gone the other way around: the more the economic growth, the higher is the resulting poverty.

A report by an expert group headed by Suresh Tendulkar, formerly chairman of prime minister’s economic advisory council, now estimates poverty at 37.2 per cent, an increase of roughly 10 per cent over the earlier estimates of 27.5 per cent in 2004-05. This means, an additional 110 million people have slipped below the poverty line in just four years.

Poor multiplying
The number of poor is multiplying at a time when the number of billionaires has also increased. Economic growth however does not reflect the widening economic disparities. For instance, the economic wealth of mere 30-odd rich families in India is equivalent to one third of the country’s growth. The more the wealth accumulating in the hands of these 30 families, the more will be country's economic growth. A handful of rich therefore hide the ugly face of growing poverty.

If these 30 families were to migrate to America and Europe, India’s GDP, which stands at 7.9 per cent at present, will slump to 6 per cent. And if you were to discount the economic growth resulting from the 6th pay commission, which is 1.9 per cent of the GDP, India’s actual economic growth will slump to 4 per cent.
Anyway, the complicated arithmetic hides more than what it reveals. Poverty estimates were earlier based on nutritional criteria, which means based on the monthly income required to purchase 2,100 calories in the urban areas and 2,400 calories in the rural areas. Over the years, this measure came in for sharp criticism, and finally the Planning Commission suggested a new estimation methodology based on a new basket of goods that is required to survive, which includes food, fuel, light, clothing and footwear.
Accordingly, the Tendulkar committee has worked out that 41.8 per cent of the population or approximately 450 million people survive on a monthly per capita consumption expenditure of Rs 447. In other words, if you break it down to a daily expenditure, it comes to bare Rs 14.50 paise. I wonder how can the rural population earning more than Rs 14 and less than say even Rs 25 a day be expected to be over the poverty line. It is quite obvious therefore that the entire effort is still to hide the poverty under a veil of complicating figures.

India’s poverty line is actually a euphemism for a starvation line. The poverty line that is laid out actually becomes the upper limit the government must pledge to feed. People living below this line constitute the Below the Poverty Line (BPL) category, for which the government has to provide a legal guarantee to provide food. It therefore spells out the government subsidy that is required to distribute food among the poor. More the poverty line more is the food subsidy.

If the government accepts Tendulkar committee report, the food subsidy bill will swell to Rs 47,917.62 crore -- a steep rise over the earlier subsidy of Rs 28,890.56-crore required to feed the BPL population with 25 kg of grains. This is primarily the reason why the government wants to keep the number of poor low. In other words, the poverty line reflects the number of people living in acute hunger. It should therefore be called as a starvation line.

I remember a few years back, a group of charitable organisations in England presented a list of demands to the government for helping the poor. Unlike India, where BPL category only receives food rations, and that too severely short the minimum nutritional requirement for a human body, the first demand of the UK charities was to provide the poor in England with washing machines.

Poverty estimates
India’s poverty estimates therefore are the most stringent in the world. I don’t know the economic justification of hiding the true figures, but politically it makes terrible sense. Each government therefore is happy to gloss over the starvation figures in the guise of poverty estimates. I wonder when India will include a basket of essential goods like footwear, cycles, sewing machines, solar lamps, water purifiers etc for the poor. This is simple economics, and not political compulsion as the media will like us to believe.
Going back to the poverty line arithmetic, the 2007 Arjun Sengupta committee report (officially the report of the National Commission on Enterprise in Unorganised Sector), which had estimated that 77 per cent of the population or 836 million people, were unable to spend more than Rs 20 a day, is probably a correct reflection of the extent of prevailing poverty.

In addition to monthly income, poverty estimates must incorporate the human development index as prepared by the United Nations Development Programme. India should therefore have two ways to classify the poor. The starvation line, needing direct cash transfers in addition to the basic requirement of food supplies. And a poverty line, needing not only food (but in lesser quantities) but also other economic necessities like sewing machines, water-purifiers, pressure cookers etc.

It’s starvation line
 
You must be very jealous of Indians since you stay in California and see lot of well established Indians in every sphere of life. :agree:

Even the aliens in Mars know that India has the world's largest concentration of poverty. It's nothing new but I guess if it makes you feel happy then good for you. :)

SO whats wrong with hos thread than ? Why crying ? Did he said some thing which isnt true ?

I did not knew that so thx for all info.
 
An Indian foreign ministry official recently accused British documentary maker Kevin McCloud of indulging in “poverty ****” in his factual film about life in Mumbai slum of Dharavi ( read News item ). These are harsh words. But they represent the seething anger in some Indian quarters – diplomatic corridors as well as cocktail and party circuit of New Delhi & Mumbai- over western obsession with poverty, child trafficking, rag pickers, hunger and all manner of tragic human stories of India. Indian elites were particularly incensed with the success of Slumdog Millionaire, a film that went on to win Oscars – an honour no Indian film director can boast of despite Indian industry producing over 1500 films each year. Dozens of blogs and headlines screamed that Slum Dog Millionaire was “poverty ****” ( Read Reuters story on this). This combination of words – poverty and pornography-intrigued me. Is truthful depiction of lives of millions of forgotten, voiceless Indian citizens living like sewage rats really ****?

The definition of Pornography, according to Wikipedia is “Pornography or **** is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement.”

When Indian elites rise as one against this western “****,” I have often found myself on the wrong side of Indian rage. My argument that free, uncensored and truthful depiction of Indian reality in film, art and media should be respected and even welcomed cuts little mustard in India. Perhaps it is because the Indian elites have put on layer upon layer of non-sticky frying pan like varnish that is not even diluted by potent “whitening creams” and makes them totally impervious and immune to Indian reality. There is nothing left to shame Indian oligarchs – the politician industrialist cabal that rules India- into facing the truth. Now they want an escape from such images which are shoved into their faces on their foreign junkets or western cable TV channels in India. Why, one might argue, they need that image to be put to them when they can see the reality all around them? Because Indian elites have developed a selective vision, institutional blindness and an overwhelming culture of lying about Indian realities. The business and diplomatic elites of India are combative and easily offended when any mention of mass poverty in India is made. They take issue with anyone pointing toward economic backwardness and near stone-age conditions in many parts of India and point toward many failures in the western society as well. The ready tongue in cheek retorts and arguments abound when faced with simple truths and realities. Unfortunately for them films and documentaries made with independent western money cannot be shut out or shouted down. Even if there is an agenda behind them, as long as they are truthful, they cannot be ignored.

Indian Antipathy to Poverty **** | The Goyal Post
 
atleast diamond market is not in india:azn:

Qu'est-ce? Je ne comprends pas. :what: This is untrue. There are diamond-based jewelry stores in India as well just as there are in Pakistan. Poverty is not only an Indian phenomenon. The remainder of the subcontinent suffers in the same way. There are people dependent on the government in France as well. L'Inde a de nombreux problèmes, mais ils progressent
 
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Qu'est-ce? Je ne comprends pas. :what: This is untrue. There are diamond-based jewelry stores in India as well just as there are in Pakistan. Poverty is not only an Indian phenomenon. The remainder of the subcontinent suffers in the same way. There are people dependent on the government in France as well. L'Inde a de nombreux problèmes, mais ils progressent


je connais la nation de la superpuissance de l'Inde
i mean to say that diamond market which called heramandii redlight area is in pakistan not in india:undecided:
 
je connais la nation de la superpuissance de l'Inde
i mean to say that diamond market which called heramandii redlight area is in pakistan not in india:undecided:
Yeah there are no prostitues in iNdia.Inidia is not known as HIV hotbed.Oh bey the way show some courage and change your one flag to India.
 
je connais la nation de la superpuissance de l'Inde
i mean to say that diamond market which called heramandii redlight area is in pakistan not in india:undecided:

Oh okay. I understand your point now. I do not know about this though.
 

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