Post Strike on Indian Army Ammo & Supply Depot

[Cookie Monster]

I have not declared victory at all.
I am merely contesting the assumption that PAF can repeat the same strategy with the same result, which is a fact even PAF or any mature Pakistani members here will attest to.
As to why India does not attack - It is because India isn't interested in war. War is too costly and there is nothing much for India to gain other than subduing Pakistan for a few decades.. but that will lead to a rise in extremism, regional instability and terror attacks all of which are more undesirable than the current predicament. Terrorism is not good for either Pakistan or India, as I hope you have come to realize.

Pakistan, by default is on a self chosen path of economic failure. The CPEC is a constructive move towards a better economy but the $50 billion debt that is being undertaken is hard to justify in any way. It would be far better to use these loans to directly infuse $5 billion a year in the economy and invest about $5 billion a year in critical areas where Pakistan is lacking such as water storage infrastructure, power generation and transportation network.. You could just source the power plants from China and do the remaining work using Pakistani workforce. The debt you are subjecting yourself to will eventually command additional interest payments of $5 billion a year while all current CPEC expenses are benefiting Chinese economy.

Also, let me clarify - Pak military is not weak. For a small country, it is very strong. However, Indian military are stronger by every parameter, simply due to sheer difference in the size and economies.. Pakistan has been repeatedly defeated when the odds were far more favorable.

Today, honestly - We must all work on fixing our covid mess and revitalizing our economies.. Its very irresponsible by China to flare up all these tensions while the world is in a disaster recovery mode.

I don't think u know the meaning of the word FACT based on the way u used it in that first paragraph of this post.

Secondly u have blabbered more about Indian victory, subduing Pakistan, CPEC debt trap, and all the other typical BS that Indian trolls peddle...anywhere they can...
...and just like before I'm not gonna bother wasting my time orienting u to reality.

Personally I have come to enjoy watching such delusions of grandeur by the likes of u. It makes it a lot more satisfying to watch all these delusions shatter...
...but of course just like clockwork...u guys dig in further in ur make believe world and invent more and more fantasies...and I continue being entertained.

Do carry on...but plz come up with some new material...the CPEC debt trap and all the other usual nonsense is getting too predictable.

 

[Goenitz]

PAF was always assumed to be a defensive force that historically made much fewer sorties

now that is blasphemy... (Alhamdulilah) we shot more, and attacked several IAF bases, even in 71... PAF kept raiding IAF bases in 65.. come on man.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Based on available PAF inventory:
1) The only reason Swift Retort succeeded is because of the element of surprise. Nobody expected PAF to take such a large risk. It was a bold and daring move for a reason and it took IAF by surprise. Repeating it will be akin to suicide.
2) After the first strike on a military target, you will be effectively at war with India and IAF will go into high alert all across the western sector.
3) With integration of newer assets such as the Rafale, S-400, Astra BVR and new weapons suites, newer tactics, it is much harder for PAF to violate India's airspace without losing assets.
4) F-16s played the major role. You have what - 50 or 60 of them? JF-17 seems to have been there only for ceremonial purpose. In a fair engagement where both sides are evenly matched, do you expect the same outcome?

Your AF couldnt hit its targets. PAF retaliated.
Your military installations were hit. Your Airforce couldnt do jack. It couldnt retaliate either. You had to bring surface missiles into play. That excuse of an airchief and you can carry on with your BS now.

 

[Thorough Pro]

They are so shameless that they claim that PAF was caught napping during their attempted but failed raid in the late night for which they had been planning since February 14, while they themselves were only "surprised" by a daring day time counter strike.

How?
Indian fighter crossed the border and attacked Pakistan then "surprised" PAF would attack back?
How professional are IAF!

More shockingly to me is that you people think it's okay! Nothing wrong here OMG.

 

[Rakesh]

What makes a formation rag-tag are few things which were seen by IAF that day - level of training, communication, coordination and operational execution. All these factors failed and i will describe them very briefly.

1. Level of training - that a wing commander (equivalent to Lt Col, able to command at least 2-3 Fighter squadrons forming one wing), was sent in one of the oldest fighters of IAF, while he had been qualified on SU-30 MKI. With such experience and a command level behind him, sending him in the air on Mig-21 was a mistake which proved embarrassingly deadly that day. Secondly, downing of own Mi-17 shows the confused level of training during combat, which translates that even real live fire exercises and simulations would be prone to accidents. No wonder, there is a high crash rate in IAF already. Thirdly, IAF fell for the oldest trick in the book - an ambush laid by PAF during return journey of JF-17s and Mirage-III/V. Now considering that PAF could have fallen for the same trap a day earlier, which it didnt, what made IAF's Mig-21 blindly flying towards LOC is what im going to tell next.

2. Communication was thoroughly jammed for IAF, there was PAF EW aircraft in the air which was providing EW cover to PAF fighters in the region, further backed up by 1-2 AWACS, probably Erieye since F-16s were on CAP. For jamming, the bigger transmitter, the better. Probably for this reason and maybe other reasons, PAF didnt choose a fighter jet but a category of transport plane to have a full crew of EW specialists (housing 8-12 staff) on board rather can just a pilot and WSO, along with a full array of related EW sensors. Abhinandan admitted that there was too much noise and he couldn't understand instructions from control tower. Now IAF is on the road to revamp their communication radios - this was a big loop in communication. However, let me assure you that even secure radios can be jammed while IAF was using un-secure radios.

3. Coordination was in disarray. IAF CAPs should have intercepted PAF jets, IAF AWACS should have picked them up, even the AD radars should have picked up PAF fighters and targeted them through SAMs. PAF crossed over LOC at a few places and since a retaliation from PAF was expected just like the official statement from ISPR had been publicised all over media and news channels, IAF should have had hunter-killer flights of 3-4 SU30MKIs or Mig-29s or Mirage-2000 or Mig-21s in place to deter PAF from carrying out a surface attack. There are 240-270 SU30MKI in service, whats the use of buying such hundreds of heavy strike aircrafts then ?

4. Lastly, by the end of the day, IAF had lost 2 x fighter aircrafts, 1 x SAR heli, 1 x pilot captured, 2 x pilots killed and 6 x uniformed personnel along with 1 x civilian killed. The trophy that IAF could produce were parts of an AIM120C5 missile and 1 x crow killed a day earlier. The figures themselves speak about the Ops preparedness of IAF.

And after that the focus shifted on - Rafale.

You are going in to details. I always mention the bigger picture. I wrote multiple times, IAF and political leadership never thought Pakistan will retaliate in this fashion. Everyone in establishment believe Pakistan can not afford a war. I would say Pakistan played the game intelligently, changed the rule of games, declared we didn't cross LOC.
Since rules of games have changed, we will see how it will be played in future.
And IAF is more than what you want to believe.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You are going in to details. I always mention the bigger picture. I wrote multiple times, IAF and political leadership never thought Pakistan will retaliate in this fashion. Everyone in establishment believe Pakistan can not afford a war. I would say Pakistan played the game intelligently, changed the rule of games, declared we didn't cross LOC.
Since rules of games have changed, we will see how it will be played in future.
And IAF is more than what you want to believe.

Rules of the game were only different in India's mind...PAF always has and will continue to defend the nation. It was retarded of ur political leadership/IAF to think that PAF would sit tight and do nothing. Defense of the nation is paramount...always has been and always will be.

 

[The Eagle]

Statement made by Indias former air chief:

ISI/Pak Army did not allow any reporters near the madarassa for the next couple of days - Why the wait? - Definitely because of clean up operations.

The world then treated the same statement in Stupid & Funny Sections at most. Firstly, 350+ killed and everything demolished, then came the smart Spice Bomb that goes in through Roof without any crater but kills everyone inside the room, then came that weapon is designed in such a way ...... but in conclusion and lastly, those weapon targeted few trees a crow and a cow. . . you might know that we have one of the SPICE in very good condition found in forest..... so also, except for Indian Official Statements, no other source verified the claim.

 

[PakSword]

The world then treated the same statement in Stupid & Funny Sections at most. Firstly, 350+ killed and everything demolished, then came the smart Spice Bomb that goes in through Roof without any crater but kills everyone inside the room, then came that weapon is designed in such a way ...... but in conclusion and lastly, those weapon targeted few trees a crow and a cow. . . you might know that we have one of the SPICE in very good condition found in forest..... so also, except for Indian Official Statements, no other source verified the claim.

If Indians had applied a little IQ, they wouldn't have declared 350 dead.. Even if that building was being used to hold a marriage ceremony, there was no way 350 people could be accomadated there.. in that small area..

A remember a Ex-"Brigade Major" was defending this theory of 350+ dead. lol

Acha waisay, Indians want to even check the holes in the building and base their theories on the statement of their chiefs, they never question the same liars who said Pakistani bombs failed to detonate and never ask them to take journalists to visit the six sites bombed by Pakistan.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Different strategies by different leaders.

 

[Windjammer]

Based on available PAF inventory:
1) The only reason Swift Retort succeeded is because of the element of surprise. Nobody expected PAF to take such a large risk. It was a bold and daring move for a reason and it took IAF by surprise. Repeating it will be akin to suicide.
2) After the first strike on a military target, you will be effectively at war with India and IAF will go into high alert all across the western sector.
3) With integration of newer assets such as the Rafale, S-400, Astra BVR and new weapons suites, newer tactics, it is much harder for PAF to violate India's airspace without losing assets.
4) F-16s played the major role. You have what - 50 or 60 of them? JF-17 seems to have been there only for ceremonial purpose. In a fair engagement where both sides are evenly matched, do you expect the same outcome?

1: After making a song and dance on 26th Feb. with claims of 300 killed and all other nonsense, any armed forces with a little brain would be on their guard expecting retaliation, it's just as well India lost the appetite else second strikes were ready to be launched by PAF to nail the Indian coffin.
2: That's when PAF would have gone into full offensive and give the real surprise to India.
3: PAF didn't have all the above, yet IAF still lost it's assets.
4:This is what your BS named type Netas feed you, this is how they brainwashed you and then the reality dawned upon you as for your lack of knowledge, i suggest you read the following to enlighten yourself.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-emerged-as-the-star-of-swift-retort.677399/

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Too bad we have to rely on google images. We should have a public chinese settalite for open intelligence.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Interesting development.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291743751052959744

 

[Windjammer]

Indian Army ammunition depot at Narian, IOK 28-10-2018

Supply Deopot photographed on 17.6.2020 Showing scars of bomb impact.

Image captured in 2021 showing Vegetation has grown where the bomb impacted on 27.2.2019.

 

[عقاب]

That is why my father always say most of the military disaster were caused by "drawing room generals" armchair generals, Americans call them paper pusher generals. Thank goodness Pak Army has a strong tradition of having Army Chiefs with strong "command" experience and the only time a paper pusher was enforced in Pak Army it was thwarted. We can ask Noora about it.

General Ziauddin Butt says about musharf in an interview " iska bht important course missing tha , isne 1 course he ni tha kiya hua k jisk bary me ye kaha jata h k jisne ye course na kiya ho wo kbi army cheif ni bnta"

 

[rent4country]

Folks, that is a fake image of any bombing having taken place- do you see any proof of burned vegetation or even marks from a blast, LET alone not a single cater? That image is of a deliberately cleared ground through on the ground human effort- heh